The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[cerealkiller182]

Multi-villains can work as long as the story works. Nolan knows how to set plots up which make sense for two villains to work in a film and which villains to use which would work well together. He didn't pick Joker or Two-Face at random.

doesnt that go without saying for any plot elements

 

[The Major]

doesnt that go without saying for any plot elements

That's true.

 

[Hole Shot]

I just don't see Riddler as a "climatic" villain, someone you can close the trilogy with. But I could see him as part of an ensemble, using him to the extent of say Scarecrow in Begins.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i still like the idea of the riddler starting out as a over-zealous agent for a shady government agency who is tasked with finding the batman. he could be this agencies top code breaker or hacker of something. the more and more obsessed with the batman he could get, the deeper into madness he falls. he then realizes the only way to catch the batman is to lure him out, which he does by targeting Gothams biggest company.....Wayne Enterprises and tries to ruin it by stealing secret files that links WE to batman. This would certainly get batmans attention and could have a deeper meaning for bruce aswell. he doesn't want his good family name and company destroyed, this could bring up his bond with his father again, and bring all the memories rushing back. it would then be a game of cat and mouse between the two, as the riddler is trying to find out who batman is to prove his abilities and greatness, while batman is trying to find out who the riddler is so he doesn't destroy the whole wayne family reputation.

 

[Danielson]

Here is my interpretation for the third film. Talia Al Ghul is in as Bruce's love interest, she doesn't know he's Bats. He doesn't know what she's up to. Bane is what Ras wanted Bruce to be, a badass mofo who is destroying the villains the wrong way. This solves the Joker and scarecrow problem, you can have word that both were killed and the killer is unknown. The public thinks it's bats, which fits. Batman has to prove it's not him and stop Bane.

Now, you can either have the Riddler stirring up stuff as a static character ala the Joker (I'd like to see him sort of like the Zodiac) or you can have Two-Face still be alive. The symbolism could be that Harvey Dent died and Two-Face was born and the fall messed with Dent's brain. At the end Bane is trying to kill Two-Face, Batman saves him, then Bane and Talia chase after Bats. Bane catches him and tears the mask off and starts strangling him. Talia sees it's Bruce and begs him to stop. Bane grabs her by the neck and strangles her. With the life being sucked out of both, you hear one shot and Bane goes down. Two-Face saves Batman, realizes his wrongs, Batman's back is broke and Talia is dead.

The franchise then ends with Gotham's hero, Harvey Dent leading Gotham and no need for Batman.


What do you think?

 

[TimidationGame]

You can do that with Scarecrow or Joker.

They really need a villain which Nolan had already spent tme on setting up in his movies.



Good idea in theory. You're just going to need a better, organic reason that that.

Brainaic, depending on how powerful they make him in a film, wouldn't be worried about Nolan's Batman. He's beneath its notice. Brainiac wouldn't need help destroying Batman if he felt like it.

Brainiac would possibly kill someone like Ridler on sight unless he has a good reason not to.



Okay.



Multi-villains can work as long as the story works. Nolan knows how to set plots up which make sense for two villains to work in a film and which villains to use which would work well together. He didn't pick Joker or Two-Face at random.



How would Riddler joining Brainiac to fight the JL set up Knightfall?

This does not lead in to Knightfall, and this doesn't apply to Nolan. In my mind (I know scary place), Nolan has the first 3-4 movies basically the begining through acceptance. The next 3-4 would be another director and set of adaptations exploring further in to Batmans world. In the third set of which I am talking about is where Dark Knight Returns, Bats&Supes take on Riddler/Brainiac, and the formation of JL. The fourth 3-4 would be JLU's and ending with Knightfall. Beyond Knightfall, it would makes sense to do Batman Beyond if they wanted to. Just what I came up with.

 

[batlovescatDC]

I don't really care how they interpret them.... I just want to see Catwoman and Black Mask in it. And even if they don't use Black Mask, I will definitely settle for Catwoman. As long as I get Catwoman in it... I'm cool.

 

[GL1]

What books is that story in?

Same books as the Joker extorting the mob storylines: none.

 

[flickchick85]

I posted this in another thread, but I thought I should post it here too since this is where I heard that great FBI Agent Riddler concept. Here's a scenario I came up with where I could really see that working:

It starts off with Batman lower than he's ever been before. He's hunted by the entire city. The FBI has been called in. He doesn't even have Gordon as an ally anymore (Gordon would like to be, but can't). Whoever the real Bruce Wayne is, he's getting lost inside of this monster of his, like Alfred warned him about. Batman becomes his sole state of mind. He now sees it as some sort of punishment or penance he has to pay for all the people he feels he's let down (Rachel, Harvey, his parents, etc.).

Ironically, as dire as Batman's situation has become, his FAKE Bruce Wayne persona has never been better. Business at Wayne Enterprises is booming, and they are very close to obliterating a competing corporation, which has relatively recently been taken over by Roman Sionis, the disturbed son of the founder who has essentially run his father's company into the ground in a very short amount of time. Sionis is someone who grew up in the same circles as Wayne, their parents having been "friends" (though Sionis's parents were two-faced rich folks who really only pretended to be friends with the Waynes while bad-mouthing them in private often in front of their son). I see Roman as sort of the Bizarro Wayne - how Bruce might have turned out if he didn't have great role models like his parents and Alfred. His father had kept his company afloat through lots of dirty business and ties to the criminal underworld. Well, Roman has a hard time mainting those connections, largely because these criminal figures have never had any respect for him as he's a lousy businessman. So he loses these connections, and consequently, loses his company to Bruce Wayne, who he's ALWAYS been jealous of since childhood. It's this utter failure and humiliation that makes him put on a black mask and go out and murder/torture those criminals who turned their backs on him and caused his downfall. Still uber-wealthy, he starts a gang and insists they all wear these terrifying skull masks (The False Face Society). He's got a much better knack for crime than he ever had for business, and rises to power quickly, largely through simply sadistically murdering anyone who he thinks will get in the way. Fear does the rest. He's a total sociopath. And as soon as The False Face Society is assembled, they start kidnapping, torturing, and killing Wayne Enterprises employees (even after ransoms may have been paid). But all the while, he keeps his Roman Sionis persona, a corporate failure, who's now a "retired" socialite playboy. No one in the underworld has a clue that he's this Black Mask killer. Sionis is the socialite king of Gotham's East End, and its queen would be the much more savvy, sophisticated, and charitable Selina Kyle, who is pretty much the East End's favorite resident for all of her generous contributions to the community. Little do they know that she gets her money from stealing from the many other wealthy (probably crooked) citizens of Gotham, and her alter ego is known simply as the East End Catburglar. Selina knows Sionis is a sick puppy, he's always disturbed her, and she knows his family is as crooked as they come, so she's always looking for a way to take him down.

Meanwhile, the FBI have brought in Edward Nashton to help capture Batman, and he has 100% support of the people and the police. He and his team intercept a crime scene from Gotham PD: one of Black Mask's early murders. In the interest of capturing Batman, they create a fake criminal: The Riddler. They plant fake evidence for Batman to make it look like this new criminal is responsible (the first bread crumb of their dummy trail), while Gotham PD investigates the real Black Mask case. Nashton creates fake crime scenes and uses some of Black Mask's real ones in a cat and mouse game with Batman as the Riddler. So while Gordon, Gotham PD, and Catwoman are on the Black Mask case, Batman is on the trail of this fake criminal, who they even use to communicate with Batman through the media. But Batman never completely falls into Nashton's traps (and Edward never gives away that these crime scenes are fake - Batman just thinks he's being taunted by the criminal leaving them), and Nashton becomes obsessed with outsmarting him. His methods get out of hand, and innocent people start to become collateral damage. Nashton is then taken off the case and kicked out of the Bureau. But he continues the Riddler antics, and when he's completely over the edge, he kidnaps Coleman Reese and makes it look (to the Gotham PD) like Reese is just the latest Wayne Enterprises employee to fall victim to Black Mask. Nashton remembers that Reese claimed to know who the Batman was once upon a time, and he eventually gets the truth out of Reese before killing him. Nashton plans his final showdown with Batman as some sort of media spectacle, in which he plans to reveal his true identity to the entire world, ensuring his triumph be known to the masses. He also happens to be aware of a certain killer with a MAJOR grudge against Bruce Wayne, so as an insurance policy, he leaves a little "riddle" for Black Mask that only he could understand, and a semi-alliance is formed (Black Mask & his gang will be Riddler's muscle in case things go wrong, will kill Batman after media event, or something like that).

Earlier in the story, the Black Mask killer gets on Catwoman's radar after he mercilessly kills a child (or maybe one of her hooker "friends"/informants?) in the East End who witnessed one of his murders. It becomes her side mission to find out who this killer is. In the mean time, Bruce and Selina meet the same way they did in the animated series. She buys a date with him at a charity auction, but wants nothing to do with the actual date - she just did it for charity, and she's generally disgusted by that whole social circle, so she wants nothing to do with Wayne. Bruce finds her unusual attitude refreshing, and insists that he owes her a date, so she reluctantly agrees. Sometime after that, the East End Catburglar has her first encounter with Batman, narrowly escapes, and is instantly drawn to him, and thinks he may be her soulmate. In the fray she scars his face, so when she opens the door to her date wishing it was Batman, she's ecstatic to discover (thanks to the scar) that he IS Batman. Of course, she doesn't let Bruce know any of this, but she's much more enthusiastic about dating him now, and she sees right through Bruce's fake persona and constantly calls him out on it. Everytime he tries to lie as a cover, she knows, so he's forced to be himself around her. And so begins her romance with the real Bruce Wayne. On their dates (when they're not doing thrill-seeking activities like skydiving or something), they have discussions about their outlooks/philosophies, often on the state of their city and debate about "The Batman" - Selina works to bring him out of his funk, make him feel better about what "Batman" does, convinces him that The Batman should take pride in his work and shouldn't have to answer to anyone, all without ever letting him know she knows his true identity. And while he may disagree with that general outlook, she does actually make him feel better and helps him re-think his work so far as Batman. She also fills him in on the Black Mask killer, which gives him the upper hand (of knowledge, anyway) over the Riddler in their cat & mouse game...until Riddler discovers his identity.

Throughout the entire movie, Selina is planning her biggest score yet: Roman Sionis's estate, the most secure building in Gotham. She decides that Batman's big media circus with the Riddler is the perfect time to make her move, so she does, since she's completely confident that Bruce can handle the Riddler. Yet while she's in there, she discovers evidence that he is Black Mask, along the message (or something) from the Riddler, and she realizes just how much danger Bruce is in. She leaves her score behind to help him. In the final confrontation (where perhaps Black Mask or Riddler has kidnapped Lucius Fox to draw Batman out), Catwoman saves Batman and kills Black Mask (her 1st and only kill), Batman neutralizes (don't really care how) Edward Nashton, who's now pretty much decided he actually WAS The Riddler, and Batman "catches" Catwoman and unmasks her. He's shocked and hurt to discover it's Selina, who pleads with him to let her go, arguing that if she goes to jail and her reputation is destroyed, her charities will crumble. He insists that she pay for her crimes anyway, and that if she had truly loved him, she would understand that. He leaves her chained or handcuffed to something for the police, but he subtley leaves her an escape. And surprisingly...she doesn't take it. The movie ends with Selina facing her worst fear - a cage - for Bruce, and Bruce takes the reigns on all of her charities, causing the media to be all abuzz over this new direction - "Bruce Wayne: Philanthropist?" The citizens of Gotham call for the return of the batsignal (during this media circus, the whole truth came out about the villains), the FBI falls back due to an internal affairs investigation over the whole Edward Nashton ordeal and all the innocents that died because of them.

The theme is redemption: Batman is redeemed in the eyes of Gotham's citizens, Gotham's citizens are redeemed in the eyes of the audience (since they were essentially "villains" throughout most of the story), and Selina is redeemed in the eyes of Bruce. She's restored his faith in humanity and given him a new outlook on WHY he does what he does: He's not Batman because he's paying a pennance anymore, and he's not Batman because he has to be; he's Batman because he WANTS to be. And this is the arrival of that "Dawn" Harvey Dent spoke of in TDK. For once, everyone in Gotham, including Bruce Wayne, has hope and contentment with their situation.

Sorry if this is all a bit jumbled, but it all kinda came to me at once after I read that great Riddler concept, so kudos to whoever came up with that. And yeah, I'm totally fuzzy on the details of how it would all play out. But cheers to anyone who actually managed to read all that. I probably would've given up somewhere around the middle.

 

[The Batkilt]

I posted this in another thread, but I thought I should post it here too since this where I heard that great FBI Agent Riddler concept. Here's a scenario I came up with where I could really see that working:

It starts off with Batman lower than he's ever been before. He's hunted by the entire city. The FBI has been called in. He doesn't even have Gordon as an ally anymore (Gordon would like to be, but can't). Whoever the real Bruce Wayne is, he's getting lost inside of this monster of his, like Alfred warned him about. Batman becomes his sole state of mind. He now sees it as some sort of punishment or penance he has to pay for all the people he feels he's let down (Rachel, Harvey, his parents, etc.).

Ironically, as dire as Batman's situation has become, his FAKE Bruce Wayne persona has never been better. Business at Wayne Enterprises is booming, and they are very close to obliterating a competing corporation, which has relatively recently been taken over by Roman Sionis, the disturbed son of the founder who has essentially run his father's company into the ground in a very short amount of time. Sionis is someone who grew up in the same circles as Wayne, their parents having been "friends" (though Sionis's parents were two-faced rich folks who really only pretended to be friends with the Waynes while bad-mouthing them in private often in front of their son). I see Roman as sort of the Bizarro Wayne - how Bruce might have turned out if he didn't have great role models like his parents and Alfred. His father had kept his company afloat through lots of dirty business and ties to the criminal underworld. Well, Roman has a hard time mainting those connections, largely because these criminal figures have never had any respect for him as he's a lousy businessman. So he loses these connections, and consequently, loses his company to Bruce Wayne, who he's ALWAYS been jealous of since childhood. It's this utter failure and humiliation that makes him put on a black mask and go out and murder/torture those criminals who turned their backs on him and caused his downfall. Still uber-wealthy, he starts a gang and insists they all wear these terrifying skull masks (The False Face Society). He's got a much better knack for crime than he ever had for business, and rises to power quickly, largely through simply sadistically murdering anyone who he thinks will get in the way. Fear does the rest. He's a total sociopath. And as soon as The False Face Society is assembled, they start kidnapping, torturing, and killing Wayne Enterprises employees (even after ransoms may have been paid). But all the while, he keeps his Roman Sionis persona, a corporate failure, who's now a "retired" socialite playboy. No one in the underworld has a clue that he's this Black Mask killer. Sionis is the socialite king of Gotham's East End, and its queen would be the much more savvy, sophisticated, and charitable Selina Kyle, who is pretty much the East End's favorite resident for all of her generous contributions to the community. Little do they know that she gets her money from stealing from the many other wealthy (probably crooked) citizens of Gotham, and her alter ego is known simply as the East End Catburglar. Selina knows Sionis is a sick puppy, he's always disturbed her, and she knows his family is as crooked as they come, so she's always looking for a way to take him down.

Meanwhile, the FBI have brought in Edward Nashton to help capture Batman, and he has 100% support of the people and the police. He and his team intercept a crime scene from Gotham PD: one of Black Mask's early murders. In the interest of capturing Batman, they create a fake criminal: The Riddler. They plant fake evidence for Batman to make it look like this new criminal is responsible (the first bread crumb of their dummy trail), while Gotham PD investigates the real Black Mask case. Nashton creates fake crime scenes and uses some of Black Mask's real ones in a cat and mouse game with Batman as the Riddler. So while Gordon, Gotham PD, and Catwoman are on the Black Mask case, Batman is on the trail of this fake criminal, who they even use to communicate with Batman through the media. But Batman never completely falls into Nashton's traps (and Edward never gives away that these crime scenes are fake - Batman just thinks he's being taunted by the criminal leaving them), and Nashton becomes obsessed with outsmarting him. His methods get out of hand, and innocent people start to become collateral damage. Nashton is then taken off the case and kicked out of the Bureau. But he continues the Riddler antics, and when he's completely over the edge, he kidnaps Coleman Reese and makes it look (to the Gotham PD) like Reese is just the latest Wayne Enterprises employee to fall victim to Black Mask. Nashton remembers that Reese claimed to know who the Batman was once upon a time, and he eventually gets the truth out of Reese before killing him. Nashton plans his final showdown with Batman as some sort of media spectacle, in which he plans to reveal his true identity to the entire world, ensuring his triumph be known to the masses. He also happens to be aware of a certain killer with a MAJOR grudge against Bruce Wayne, so as an insurance policy, he leaves a little "riddle" for Black Mask that only he could understand, and a semi-alliance is formed (Black Mask & his gang will be Riddler's muscle in case things go wrong, will kill Batman after media event, or something like that).

Earlier in the story, the Black Mask killer gets on Catwoman's radar after he mercilessly kills a child (or maybe one of her hooker "friends"/informants?) in the East End who witnessed one of his murders. It becomes her side mission to find out who this killer is. In the mean time, Bruce and Selina meet the same way they did in the animated series. She buys a date with him at a charity auction, but wants nothing to do with the actual date - she just did it for charity, and she's generally disgusted by that whole social circle, so she wants nothing to do with Wayne. Bruce finds her unusual attitude refreshing, and insists that he owes her a date, so she reluctantly agrees. Sometime after that, the East End Catburglar has her first encounter with Batman, narrowly escapes, and is instantly drawn to him, and thinks he may be her soulmate. In the fray she scars his face, so when she opens the door to her date wishing it was Batman, she's ecstatic to discover (thanks to the scar) that he IS Batman. Of course, she doesn't let Bruce know any of this, but she's much more enthusiastic about dating him now, and she sees right through Bruce's fake persona and constantly calls him out on it. Everytime he tries to lie as a cover, she knows, so he's forced to be himself around her. And so begins her romance with the real Bruce Wayne. On their dates (when they're not doing thrill-seeking activities like skydiving or something), they have discussions about their outlooks/philosophies, often on the state of their city and debate about "The Batman" - Selina works to bring him out of his funk, make him feel better about what "Batman" does, convinces him that The Batman should take pride in his work and shouldn't have to answer to anyone, all without ever letting him know she knows his true identity. And while he may disagree with that general outlook, she does actually make him feel better and helps him re-think his work so far as Batman. She also fills him in on the Black Mask killer, which gives him the upper hand (of knowledge, anyway) over the Riddler in their cat & mouse game...until Riddler discovers his identity.

Throughout the entire movie, Selina is planning her biggest score yet: Roman Sionis's estate, the most secure building in Gotham. She decides that Batman's big media circus with the Riddler is the perfect time to make her move, so she does, since she's completely confident that Bruce can handle the Riddler. Yet while she's in there, she discovers evidence that he is Black Mask, along the message (or something) from the Riddler, and she realizes just how much danger Bruce is in. She leaves her score behind to help him. In the final confrontation (where perhaps Black Mask or Riddler has kidnapped Lucius Fox to draw Batman out), Catwoman saves Batman and kills Black Mask (her 1st and only kill), Batman neutralizes (don't really care how) Edward Nashton, who's now pretty much decided he actually WAS The Riddler, and Batman "catches" Catwoman and unmasks her. He's shocked and hurt to discover it's Selina, who pleads with him to let her go, arguing that if she goes to jail and her reputation is destroyed, her charities will crumble. He insists that she pay for her crimes anyway, and that if she had truly loved him, she would understand that. He leaves her chained or handcuffed to something for the police, but he subtley leaves her an escape. And surprisingly...she doesn't take it. The movie ends with Selina facing her worst fear - a cage - for Bruce, and Bruce takes the reigns on all of her charities, causing the media to be all abuzz over this new direction - "Bruce Wayne: Philanthropist?" The citizens of Gotham call for the return of the batsignal (during this media circus, the whole truth came out about the villains), the FBI falls back due to an internal affairs investigation over the whole Edward Nashton ordeal and all the innocents that died because of them.

The theme is redemption: Batman is redeemed in the eyes of Gotham's citizens, Gotham's citizens are redeemed in the eyes of the audience (since they were essentially "villains" throughout most of the story), and Selina is redeemed in the eyes of Bruce. She's restored his faith in humanity and given him a new outlook on WHY he does what he does: He's not Batman because he's paying a pennance anymore, and he's not Batman because he has to be; he's Batman because he WANTS to be. And this is the arrival of that "Dawn" Harvey Dent spoke of in TDK. For once, everyone in Gotham, including Bruce Wayne, has hope and contentment with their situation.

Sorry if this is all a bit jumbled, but it all kinda came to me at once after I read that great Riddler concept, so kudos to whoever came up with that. And yeah, I'm totally fuzzy on the details of how it would all play out. But cheers to anyone who actually managed to read all that. I probably would've given up somewhere around the middle.

Did I read you post recently that you didn't know that much about The Black Mask as a character? If I did then that makes the above even more impressive.

 

[flickchick85]

Did I read you post recently that you didn't know that much about The Black Mask as a character? If I did then that makes the above even more impressive.

Yeah, I had no clue who he was 2 days ago since my only Batman education has been the animated series, so I did some research (mainly Wikipedia) and discovered that I really liked him for Nolan's series. So thanks!

 

[cerealkiller182]

If they use Black Mask I hope they use this mask

instead of this one

With Captain America coming out and an obvious Red Skull appearance I think it wouldnt work so well.

 

[flickchick85]

^That's true. Plus, that top one just looks more realistic. I actually hope they create their own, though. Something very simple and blank (or maybe a very faint smile). It's always disturbing and creepy when you have people in these expressionless masks doing heinous things.

 

[TimidationGame]

I consider myself somewhat of a general Joe Public that has no idea of the comics and graphic novels that some do....but it does not mean I don't know what i'd like to see and/or know when I see something done well. I am very thankful the rabid comic fans are in here participating...I just hope they are gracious to those who do want to participate but don't know all in print.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I consider myself somewhat of a general Joe Public that has no idea of the comics and graphic novels that some do....but it does not mean I don't know what i'd like to see and/or know when I see something done well. I am very thankful the rabid comic fans are in here participating...I just hope they are gracious to those who do want to participate but don't know all in print.

no worries man, as long as you're a batman fan your welcome here! when i first joined these boards i wern't exactly that knowledgable about the comics and general history of batman but i have learnt loads since. its a good place to just throw ideas out there, just because someone hasn't read all the comics religiously doesn't mean they can't have a opinion on the films.

 

[Loyalbeta]

Thank god someone else had the thought.

I think Hush would be brilliant as a villain, and would fit right in with what Nolan's done already. Nolan sure seems to step away from any kind of powers or abilities (IE, Ra's appears to not be immortal anymore).

Hush is an obvious choice.

So is the Mad Hatter.

And I know others have mentioned him but I'd agree the Ventriloquist could be creepy enough too.

now, granted, Killer Crock does show up in Batman: Gotham Knight, and maybe he'd be ok in a movie, but I really feel he's too far past what Nolan would be comfortable with.

But Hush is just awesome.

Nolan already said he doesn't like penguin. I know it would be difficult but if the riddler is in it I trully think Hush should play a part.

 

[The Batkilt]

now, granted, Killer Crock does show up in Batman: Gotham Knight, and maybe he'd be ok in a movie, but I really feel he's too far past what Nolan would be comfortable with.

I think you're right, but I find that ironic, as the condition he suffers from - epidermolytic hyperkeratosis - is real. Or at least there is a real condition that would be able to explain the scaling and such that appears on his skin, and unless you actually want to make him some sort of crocodile-like creature then nothing else is that unrealistic.

 

[cerealkiller182]

The same set up in Gotham Knights could be reused. He suffers from the skin conditioned like originally intended but fear toxin could create the visual of the Man-Croc

 

[The Major]

i still like the idea of the riddler starting out as a over-zealous agent for a shady government agency who is tasked with finding the batman. he could be this agencies top code breaker or hacker of something. the more and more obsessed with the batman he could get, the deeper into madness he falls. he then realizes the only way to catch the batman is to lure him out, which he does by targeting Gothams biggest company.....Wayne Enterprises and tries to ruin it by stealing secret files that links WE to batman. This would certainly get batmans attention and could have a deeper meaning for bruce aswell. he doesn't want his good family name and company destroyed, this could bring up his bond with his father again, and bring all the memories rushing back. it would then be a game of cat and mouse between the two, as the riddler is trying to find out who batman is to prove his abilities and greatness, while batman is trying to find out who the riddler is so he doesn't destroy the whole wayne family reputation.

For that to work Nashton wouldn't be a codebreaker. How would a codebreaker find Batman? He'd be an investigator. One of their best.

 

[The Major]

Here is my interpretation for the third film. Talia Al Ghul is in as Bruce's love interest, she doesn't know he's Bats. He doesn't know what she's up to. Bane is what Ras wanted Bruce to be, a badass mofo who is destroying the villains the wrong way. This solves the Joker and scarecrow problem, you can have word that both were killed and the killer is unknown. The public thinks it's bats, which fits. Batman has to prove it's not him and stop Bane.

Now, you can either have the Riddler stirring up stuff as a static character ala the Joker (I'd like to see him sort of like the Zodiac) or you can have Two-Face still be alive. The symbolism could be that Harvey Dent died and Two-Face was born and the fall messed with Dent's brain. At the end Bane is trying to kill Two-Face, Batman saves him, then Bane and Talia chase after Bats. Bane catches him and tears the mask off and starts strangling him. Talia sees it's Bruce and begs him to stop. Bane grabs her by the neck and strangles her. With the life being sucked out of both, you hear one shot and Bane goes down. Two-Face saves Batman, realizes his wrongs, Batman's back is broke and Talia is dead.

The franchise then ends with Gotham's hero, Harvey Dent leading Gotham and no need for Batman.


What do you think?

Talia would know who Bruce Wayne is. He might not necessarily know her. Another option is she uses an alias to get to him because he knows her from the League or Ra's talked about her but never showed what she looked like.

An alias could work if he knows what Talia looks like because woman have a much easier time changing their looks then men are. She could pose as a blonde with a wig, different make-up and new personality alike Sydney Bristow in Alias. Once she reveals herself to Bruce she could show her real appearance and mannerisms. She'd be a master at infiltration and skilled enough to take him on in unarmed combat. She could use this whether he knows what she looks like or not. I don't think she'd risk not using an alias to get that close to him. Otherwise he'd attack her instantly.

This makes her more dangerous, able to do more damage under his nose and the reveal would rattle Bruce more.

 

[batlovescatDC]

If they use Black Mask I hope they use this mask

instead of this one

With Captain America coming out and an obvious Red Skull appearance I think it wouldnt work so well.

Actually, I'd think it'd be more realistic (and a hell of a lot scarier and cooler) if he actually put a real human skull, painted black over his head. I would actually rather have a Black Mask that CAN take his mask off, but he just never wants to. He likes being Black Mask too much.... much more than he likes being Roman Sionis. He's dedicated to his alternate persona.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Actually, I'd think it'd be more realistic (and a hell of a lot scarier and cooler) if he actually put a real human skull, painted black over his head. I would actually rather have a Black Mask that CAN take his mask off, but he just never wants to. He likes being Black Mask too much.... much more than he likes being Roman Sionis. He's dedicated to his alternate persona.

You think its more realistic for a person to wear an actual human skull than a regular black mask?

 

[strikerbatman2]

wouldn't it be funny if Nolan checks these forums for Ideas for the new script? lol

 

[TimidationGame]

If you make a Batman movie where Batman's rogues can't be used, you failed in adapting Batman

I'm very glad you made this comment becasue it got me thinking when someone pointed out Lau could be the Calculator. Now when I think about the movies so far I see at least three sets of characters: unambiguous, ambiguous, and those hinted at but not really shown. I'm not sure if there is a thread the details every possible use of all the characters so far, but to know where we are going, I guess we need to understand the past.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

I think Black Mask should wear an obvious rubber mask, (Or as an homage to the original character, wood I guess is fine). It should be a skull, but it looking real is just not something Sionis is worried about.

Oh and if he is in the movie, and with Catwoman, I demand he dies by Catwoman shooting off his jaw.