The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Ace of Knaves]

I mentioned Deathstroke in the casting thread the other day, someone rightly pointed out that he wouldn't suit Nolans world if he was portrayed as he is in the comics. Why? Well because he is an indestructable cyborg!

But I was thinking, he could be a brilliant villain if adapted well for these films. My idea for him is this.
He could be a rogue ninja from the league of shadows, trained by Ra's before Bruce came along. My idea is that he has the same thirst for justice as Bruce, but has completely given in to the ideas of the League. What if Bruce did execute that man in BB? Maybe Slade could be like Bruce but when in that same position he did actually execute that man? He could show up in Gotham, bumping off the remaining mob bosses and corrupt cops, this will obviously get the attention of The Dark Knight. In the end we could find out that he was brought to Gotham by Agent Nashton/Nygma to clean it up, by any means necessary. Obviously Batman can't let this happen. I think it would be a good way to have the two villains linked together. I also like the idea of Deathstroke in these Batman movies because he is one of only a few Bat-rogues who can actually hand Batman his ass physically. A mental challenge from Riddler, and a physical challenge from Deathstroke. I really want to see an epic one on one, toe to toe, bonecrunching fight between Batman and a villain. We got a taster with the final fight in BB, but I mean a proper epic battle on the rooftops of Gotham or something. Thats what I think has been missing from these Bat films so far. Batman has been tested mentally, but hasn't been pushed to his physical limits yet IMO.

What do you guys reckon?

 

[iDannyR]

I think The Riddler should be more Gentleman like, but he's mentally unstable in the inside.

 

[elgato]

Exactly there iDannyR

 

[sabetoonth]

i think it good idea comrades,

i dont know why i just feel like sound ing russian and callinng freainds corades, which in a sense we all are right?

 

[Easily_Amused]

I apologize if this was brought up before. I only read through the last couple of pages and not all 12.

I had an interesting thought for Freeze. Instead of having to remain cold to survive he could be doing it to punish himself for... something. Ridden with guilt he creates a cold suit to keep his body temperature hovering just above hypothermia. As some sort of penance. It wouldn't even have to make a lot of sense as to why he chooses to torture himself in this way. That just goes to support a twisted mind idea. He could then decide that somehow the Citizens of Gotham (or the world) are also guilty of whatever and sees it as his moral responsibility to punish them. They, too, must suffer like he does. Just an idea.

 

[margon]

^ Wow... that was candid. And uninformed.

it was informed by reading the thread. you don;t know what uninformed means

 

[Batman]

I've been thinking about this for awhile, and I still don't think I have it nailed, but I want to eventually put it to use in a fanscript.

With The Dark Knight's ending being fairly straightforward, regarding where to go for a sequel, the premise of the third movie would basically be that Gotham has gone to war with itself in the wake of both Harvey Dent's murder and the hunt to bring down Batman. Commissioner Gordon has tried all he can to lure his men off the trail for Batman's capture, but the Mayor's getting fed up. After several unsuccessful attempts to bring him in, the Mayor brings in his own special agent - a genius tactical psychologist and inventor named Edward Nigma.

A bit on the theatrical side, Nigma offers to join the GCPD under Gordon's supervision, free of charge, to prove he can strengthen their efforts with brute force. But what Nigma has in mind becomes much more of a manipulative strategy: He's using the GCPD to bring certain parts of the city to his use. And in the hunt for Batman, Nigma is ruthless: using explosives, lethal guns, vehicles, and the like, he crafts various hi-tech puzzles and deathtraps around the city directly targeted at Batman. The problem is, the puzzles usually end in mass destruction - even to the point where a building full of people is bombed, just to enrgave a giant burning question mark into it to mock Batman's efforts.

This raises the moral dillema for Bruce - with Nigma causing the deaths of innocents, but his extreme methods endorsed by the Mayor, and seemingly by Gordon himself (though not the case), how do you fight an enemy that's essentially protected by men you once trusted?

I think this, right there, is the key to outdoing The Joker. He was a mass murderer with no ties, so he could easily be brought down by the police. Batman could also get to him at will, because Gordon and his squad knew that he'd use methods they wouldn't to interrogate him. But with this version of The Riddler, he can't touch him. He has the entire GCPD as his arsenal, as if chess pawns on a game board. And as long as Nigma manipulates Gotham into believing that Batman is the bigger threat... or even worse, that he's the cause of such destruction, who'll stand against him?

It'd be the ultimate test against every skill Bruce has availible.

 

[Artistsean]

Not a bad idea, sort of like a puritan scarlet letter type thing (I think).
Very psychological.

 

[protoctista]

I had an idea how they could have Superman in Nolan's Batman universe.

They're going to do Superman a re-boot anyway... so just tie that reboot into Nolan's universe.



Basically, in the third (hopefully Nolan) Batman film mention Metropolis - so that Batman audiences know it's there. Just give slight, non-super suggestions that there is such thing as other cities and a wider DC universe. But NO Superman.

Then have the Superman reboot - and have Superman arrive on earth. Superman will be arriving into Nolan's universe - he will be arriving into a world that already contains Nolan's batman. Then, at the end of the Superman reboot film, have Superman arrange a meeting with Batman where they simply acknowledge each other and set out the way in which they're going to operate as two superheroes in the same universe. It could be as simple as Batman saying, 'Gotham's mine' (Not literally that line), and Superman being like, 'Yeah ok'.

And then you can have both Batman and Superman franchises which acknowledge the presence of each other.

Or have a Superman Vs. Batman film....
......in which Batman wins.

 

[CaptainClown]

I had an idea how they could have Superman in Nolan's Batman universe.

They're going to do Superman a re-boot anyway... so just tie that reboot into Nolan's universe.



Basically, in the third (hopefully Nolan) Batman film mention Metropolis - so that Batman audiences know it's there. Just give slight, non-super suggestions that there is such thing as other cities and a wider DC universe. But NO Superman.

Then have the Superman reboot - and have Superman arrive on earth. Superman will be arriving into Nolan's universe - he will be arriving into a world that already contains Nolan's batman. Then, at the end of the Superman reboot film, have Superman arrange a meeting with Batman where they simply acknowledge each other and set out the way in which they're going to operate as two superheroes in the same universe. It could be as simple as Batman saying, 'Gotham's mine' (Not literally that line), and Superman being like, 'Yeah ok'.

And then you can have both Batman and Superman franchises which acknowledge the presence of each other.

Or have a Superman Vs. Batman film....
......in which Batman wins.

cc says no

 

[Melkay]

Basically, in the third (hopefully Nolan) Batman film mention Metropolis - so that Batman audiences know it's there. Just give slight, non-super suggestions that there is such thing as other cities and a wider DC universe. But NO Superman.

Then have the Superman reboot - and have Superman arrive on earth. Superman will be arriving into Nolan's universe - he will be arriving into a world that already contains Nolan's batman. Then, at the end of the Superman reboot film, have Superman arrange a meeting with Batman where they simply acknowledge each other and set out the way in which they're going to operate as two superheroes in the same universe. It could be as simple as Batman saying, 'Gotham's mine' (Not literally that line), and Superman being like, 'Yeah ok'.

And then you can have both Batman and Superman franchises which acknowledge the presence of each other.

...

I smell deep sarcasm here.

 

[CaptainClown]

...

I smell deep sarcasm here.

Sarcasm tastes best when well done.

 

[Melkay]

^ Protoctista suggesting a Batman-Superman on-screen team-up? It's so shocking that it ******-up my sarcasm palate. Now I can only smell it. It's very elaborate, though.

 

[CaptainClown]

I have seen people honestly want radical things, this isn't that shocking.

 

[Melkay]

You don't seem familiar with this guy 'vote record'. You should his posts about Nolan's comments of Batman not coexisting with superheroes, or his thread about Superman.

It has nothing to do with this new thing.

He's a compulsive sarcastic, though. That may be the answer.



p.s. No offense, Pro, I still want to be like you when I grow up. Just make up your mind about Superman and let go.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I'd love to see a Superman and Batman movie, but it wouldn't be Nolan's Batman, so it would probably have to wait until Chris is done with the series, considering he's not already done with it.

 

[jcady519]

i had an idea that for the 3rd film of a more dark and evil riddler then in the comics

this verson of the riddler would be upsest with batman and kill all the time just to get his attention then at the crime scean he would leve riddles. the riddles would come to revel his true identity and motives so basicly he wants to test his iq by testing batman's

i was also thanking that deadshot would play a role in the end (bringing together the movies and gotham knight )

batman would also have to deal with new versons of bullock and montoya

 

[HUMANIMAL]

I've been thinking about this for awhile, and I still don't think I have it nailed, but I want to eventually put it to use in a fanscript.

With The Dark Knight's ending being fairly straightforward, regarding where to go for a sequel, the premise of the third movie would basically be that Gotham has gone to war with itself in the wake of both Harvey Dent's murder and the hunt to bring down Batman. Commissioner Gordon has tried all he can to lure his men off the trail for Batman's capture, but the Mayor's getting fed up. After several unsuccessful attempts to bring him in, the Mayor brings in his own special agent - a genius tactical psychologist and inventor named Edward Nigma.

A bit on the theatrical side, Nigma offers to join the GCPD under Gordon's supervision, free of charge, to prove he can strengthen their efforts with brute force. But what Nigma has in mind becomes much more of a manipulative strategy: He's using the GCPD to bring certain parts of the city to his use. And in the hunt for Batman, Nigma is ruthless: using explosives, lethal guns, vehicles, and the like, he crafts various hi-tech puzzles and deathtraps around the city directly targeted at Batman. The problem is, the puzzles usually end in mass destruction - even to the point where a building full of people is bombed, just to enrgave a giant burning question mark into it to mock Batman's efforts.

This raises the moral dillema for Bruce - with Nigma causing the deaths of innocents, but his extreme methods endorsed by the Mayor, and seemingly by Gordon himself (though not the case), how do you fight an enemy that's essentially protected by men you once trusted?

I think this, right there, is the key to outdoing The Joker. He was a mass murderer with no ties, so he could easily be brought down by the police. Batman could also get to him at will, because Gordon and his squad knew that he'd use methods they wouldn't to interrogate him. But with this version of The Riddler, he can't touch him. He has the entire GCPD as his arsenal, as if chess pawns on a game board. And as long as Nigma manipulates Gotham into believing that Batman is the bigger threat... or even worse, that he's the cause of such destruction, who'll stand against him?

It'd be the ultimate test against every skill Bruce has availible.

i like that and i could see something like this.
especially the part with the technical traps...and that he cant be touched...
maybe because hes holding hostages too...like alfred...or so

 

[sabetoonth]

i hope so, eventually i would like to see a justice league movie or something like that.

 

[Artistsean]

I see Batman working in a Superman movie better than Superman in a Batman movie for some reason.

I had an idea that, you know some of those totally gimmicky and ridiculous villains, what if they were used as filler bad guys. Sort of like showing Batman rouding up some bad guys, just make them regular looking guys with street names or something.

 

[protoctista]

Yes. I apologise.
I wasn't being wholly truthful.

I was curious to see how deep the dark water ran.

Introducing Superman to Nolan's universe would be tantamount to AIDS.
Same applies for Robin.

 

[sabetoonth]

if nolan dies and some idiot puts robin in i will pm all of you and qoute svu's dect. fin "i think it just started snowin in hell"

 

[sabetoonth]

i just dont like the riddler being an intenful serial killer, though someone mentioned sending a code to gcpd like the zodiac killer did for them to cipher, thatand this i think could work cuz hes putting it up to the "heroes" of gotham to save people, so in a way maybe hes an extremis testing the unproven "heroes" of the gcpd

 

[Melkay]

With The Dark Knight's ending being fairly straightforward, regarding where to go for a sequel, the premise of the third movie would basically be that Gotham has gone to war with itself in the wake of both Harvey Dent's murder and the hunt to bring down Batman. Commissioner Gordon has tried all he can to lure his men off the trail for Batman's capture, but the Mayor's getting fed up. After several unsuccessful attempts to bring him in, the Mayor brings in his own special agent - a genius tactical psychologist and inventor named Edward Nigma.

A bit on the theatrical side, Nigma offers to join the GCPD under Gordon's supervision, free of charge, to prove he can strengthen their efforts with brute force. But what Nigma has in mind becomes much more of a manipulative strategy: He's using the GCPD to bring certain parts of the city to his use. And in the hunt for Batman, Nigma is ruthless: using explosives, lethal guns, vehicles, and the like, he crafts various hi-tech puzzles and deathtraps around the city directly targeted at Batman. The problem is, the puzzles usually end in mass destruction - even to the point where a building full of people is bombed, just to enrgave a giant burning question mark into it to mock Batman's efforts.

This raises the moral dillema for Bruce - with Nigma causing the deaths of innocents, but his extreme methods endorsed by the Mayor, and seemingly by Gordon himself (though not the case), how do you fight an enemy that's essentially protected by men you once trusted?

I think this, right there, is the key to outdoing The Joker. He was a mass murderer with no ties, so he could easily be brought down by the police. Batman could also get to him at will, because Gordon and his squad knew that he'd use methods they wouldn't to interrogate him. But with this version of The Riddler, he can't touch him. He has the entire GCPD as his arsenal, as if chess pawns on a game board. And as long as Nigma manipulates Gotham into believing that Batman is the bigger threat... or even worse, that he's the cause of such destruction, who'll stand against him?

It'd be the ultimate test against every skill Bruce has availible.

Great, great, GREAT idea. Bravo. I like everything, especially the parts in bold. That's the movie I want to see. My only question is... why would Nigma want so much to bring Batman down? If he's su ruthless, he wouldn't think it's a moral issue.

Maybe he does it at first (in a normal way) because it's his job. And only after Batman escapes a couple of times, he takes it personal and needs to prove he's smarter than the bat.

Maybe he's just working for a big shot mob boss. Someone like Oswald Cobblepot, who can cover his own trail so well that he has his hands on even someone with the trust of the Mayor. And Cobblepot, as ny other mob boss, wants to bring down the bat for interfering with his business.

There are many possible motives. What do you think?

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

Great, great, GREAT idea. Bravo. I like everything, especially the parts in bold. That's the movie I want to see. My only question is... why would Nigma want so much to bring Batman down? If he's su ruthless, he wouldn't think it's a moral issue.

Maybe he does it at first (in a normal way) because it's his job. And only after Batman escapes a couple of times, he takes it personal and needs to prove he's smarter than the bat.

Maybe he's just working for a big shot mob boss. Someone like Oswald Cobblepot, who can cover his own trail so well that he has his hands on even someone with the trust of the Mayor. And Cobblepot, as ny other mob boss, wants to bring down the bat for interfering with his business.

There are many possible motives. What do you think?

I agree, but I prefer Roman Sinonis/Black Mask to Cobblepot. Maybe Black Mask can even have the Riddler sent in to try and convince the police and mayor that a string of murders he is responsible for are actually Batman's doing. Maybe sometime in the film, the Riddler can then show Sionis that Batman is Bruce Wayne, and out of a personal rivalry, Sionis then decides its time to go in for the kill and try to humiliate, torture and murder Wayne. The Riddler then sets up some sort of huge intricate grand trap, that not even Batman can foresee, leading to the Climax. Maybe in the end Catwoman can be the one who rescues/warns him of it all, having a change of heart last minute; before this she could be working with the Riddler and Black Mask in an uneasy alliance to find Batman's identity or something.