The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[General_Obol]

True^
I cannot recall any good 4th film.
i can recall a lot of good number twos,
a few number 3's as well.

Nolan does not want to ruin a masterpiece.

We can't ruin great things, the batman 3 curse may be true if nolan doesn't sign on, we can't have him sign on for 2 more, cause he won't do a 4th.

"Is there a story that's going to keep me emotionally invested for the couple of years that it will take to make another one? That’s the overriding question. On a more superficial level, I have to ask the question: How many good third movies in a franchise can people name?"

-Chris Nolan

 

[alexdunn]

The third Harry Potter was my favorite. But other than that I don't think there's a good third. : \ There's a first for everything though!

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Return of the Jedi was good.

As was Revenge of the Sith, especially when compared to its terrible predecessors.

Wasn't the third Indy apparently a big hit as well?

 

[alexdunn]

Return of the Jedi was good.

As was Revenge of the Sith, especially when compared to its terrible predecessors.

Wasn't the third Indy apparently a big hit as well?

Wow true completley forgot about those. Return of the King as well.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

ROTK was a ****ing beast. Best third movie ever.

 

[sabetoonth]

i felt it was okay, course im not a big lotr fan, favoreite would have to be the 2

 

[Texas Zombie]

Return of the Jedi was good.

As was Revenge of the Sith, especially when compared to its terrible predecessors.

Wasn't the third Indy apparently a big hit as well?

personally I liked the phantom menace, but attack of the clones was not that good.

i mean the third indy was better than the second, but not as good as the first.

When looking at all the star wars together I think it is a good series, but I believe the empire strikes back is the best of the series.

I would have loved to see look turn evil and become greater than any other sith, possibly having his father killing the son, the emperor, and ultimately himself.

It could be a great Video game.

 

[BestGirl]

"Is there a story that's going to keep me emotionally invested for the couple of years that it will take to make another one? That’s the overriding question. On a more superficial level, I have to ask the question: How many good third movies in a franchise can people name?"

-Chris Nolan

At least if Nolan comes back we'll know he has a good story up his sleeve.

 

[sabetoonth]

personally I liked the phantom menace, but attack of the clones was not that good.

i mean the third indy was better than the second, but not as good as the first.

When looking at all the star wars together I think it is a good series, but I believe the empire strikes back is the best of the series.

I would have loved to see LOOK turn evil and become greater than any other sith, possibly having his father killing the son, the emperor, and ultimately himself.

It could be a great Video game.

who inthe hell of it, missspells luke? but thats an awesome idea!

 

[Texas Zombie]

who inthe hell of it, missspells luke? but thats an awesome idea!

lol, i guess I just wasn't thinking.

WOW, this is really no longer a villain interpretation thread.

 

[sabetoonth]

we need to get back to that, i think bane wouldbe a good way for bats to redeem himslef have the underworld individually hire him, each family paying thousands of dollars for bane to take out batman, they dont know that hes also been hired by the other mob families so hes making real mula, he breaks the walls of arkham down with an ied he calls venom, after the street name for a slow-twitch muscle enhancing drug which has given him above olympian strength, his working out in addition to the drug has made him the physically strongest inhabitant of gotham, he was also a former prisoner in a south american prison named santa prisca, there he honed not only his body but his mind, becoming the smartest inhabitant of the prison, he organizes a break out, he secretly organizes early release by giving the names of those he was to escape with in the break out, he gets immunity and early unofficail parol, he dithedthe parol officer and has been on the run from interpol and his native police for years, continuing the training begun in santa prisca, in the gotham he breaks arkham down beyond repair, he brings the inmates to the gotham equivelant of the central park zoo were he has also used"venom" to release the animals, the inmates are the wall that stands between batman and bane, he fights his way through them, being that bane chose a certain "high security"eing to destroy batman has trouble but takes down all the inmates, then bane runs off into an animal inclosure, there he watches as batman takes down the animals, subdueng them, learning with every movement how his opponent will fight, the final showdown is bane ambushing batman in the hippo inclosure. he beat sdhim pretty badly, then at the last instant he flings bane down inot the pond the hipps are sleeping/swimming in he dose not die because as of going down he pulls out his knife, wich he was saving for extreme circumsttances, he kills the hippos, and climbs back up with a gun in his face, its gordon, who says something like"no use pumping now" or something ready to hoot him in his face. this was spurr of the moment and right of the top of my head, and this i imaginewould be a final act, after youve seen him use dead languages and live ones, his incredible intellect in other ways, and a side villain

 

[General_Obol]

Return of the Jedi was good.

As was Revenge of the Sith, especially when compared to its terrible predecessors.

Wasn't the third Indy apparently a big hit as well?

Return of the Jedi was good, but is considered severely inferior to its predecessors. There are a lot of good third movies, but there are also horrible ones as well. This is especially true when it comes to superhero films. Superman III, Batman Forever, Blade Trinity, X-Men: The Last Stand, and Spider-Man 3 are all considered to be pretty atrocious. Even worse are the fourth films in each franchise, if the film was even made.

But back on topic, I would really like to see Bane in the next film. Although I admit the Riddler would be cool, Bane is a villain that is both a physical and mental presence, unlike all of Batman's other villains. He's also the only one capable of besting Batman in every way possible. He's probably the only villain that can truly show the escalation of crime Batman has created in Gotham City.

 

[sabetoonth]

what do guys think ogf my idea?

 

[General_Obol]

what do guys think ogf my idea?

It's hit-or-miss. I like the idea of Bane, and I like the idea of Bane being a complete and total badass unlike the Batman & Robin version. And even though I'm not totally a fan of having Batman fight zoo animals, the basic concept of having Bane study his opponent is really good. However, I'm not a fan of the venom idea. It might be cool to use, but only if it's injected via syringes and such. Make it an analogue to anabolic steroids rather than just have the stuff consistently pumping into him. And the idea of Bane working for mob bosses is also a little iffy. He came to Gotham in the comics to free Gotham from the Bat's tyranny. I think that'd be a better line to use than to have him working for the mob bosses.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I like the idea at the beginning if bane is used, that bane begins using syringes, then has the implants, and begins using more and more, until the final battle in which he has Iv's hooked up, showing the trend of addiction.

In the story I created a while ago bane has a cult like following, that would be ideal, to show a lot of impressionable youth and thugs, and even some rich people, scared by recent events, what if bane offers protection, true protection from the insane, although his true motives are to destroy gotham, and create the ultimate utopia, which he claims would be no mans land, it would be owned by everyone, he tries to drive gotham into anarchy, first by distributing venom, then by giving his gangs tasks(like tyler durden did in fight club), he slowly begins killing batman(beating him up), he lets out all the inmates at arkham(this could be a moment showing the joker, scarecrow, killer croc, and some other rogues), and in the final battle Bane should use a machine developed by janus industries(black mask corp), it emits shock waves for controlled blasting without using explosives(it was deemed to dangerous, along with venom), he modified the machine(which is partially based on a tesla contraption), it break down the city under gotham(large sewers, tunnels, caves, and even a section from the 1920's that was literaly built over), the earthquake like effect will be magnified by several bombs placed under the city. Batman must stop all of this in the final battle, in the end all of the inmates of arkham are out again, and he feels as if batman must live on, he must never die, so he must never stop being batman in exchange for a normal life(this could set up a sequel with another director and robin).

 

[Fresh Prince]

What about Indiana Jones 4? You people think that was the best 4th film ever?!?! Anyways Batman 3 will be good i have no worries Nolan doing it.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

The reason most cinema films seem to fail at 4 is that they have over saturated the market with the franchise and by this point it kind of feels old...

There is only 1 good 4th movie...

 

[sabetoonth]

It's hit-or-miss. I like the idea of Bane, and I like the idea of Bane being a complete and total badass unlike the Batman & Robin version. And even though I'm not totally a fan of having Batman fight zoo animals, the basic concept of having Bane study his opponent is really good. However, I'm not a fan of the venom idea. It might be cool to use, but only if it's injected via syringes and such. Make it an analogue to anabolic steroids rather than just have the stuff consistently pumping into him. And the idea of Bane working for mob bosses is also a little iffy. He came to Gotham in the comics to free Gotham from the Bat's tyranny. I think that'd be a better line to use than to have him working for the mob bosses.

well he named the ied afer the venom drug, he does syringe it in, and he carries an armored case of syringges filed with the stuff, slow twitch if the power muscle tissue, fast twitch is endurance, and tht erest was spurr of the moment off the top of my head interreting

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

I feel bane would be moving in the wrong direction... only because we already encounter drugs from Dr.Crain... posioning gotham, Drugs was the first movie, the second was really psycho based, on both parts of the joker and two face... The Joker has a philsophy of chaos where as two-face simply now has two minds about everything. Really what were looking for is either Cyber crime which would be a good use of The Riddler and another good reason for joining him with Catwoman. Just a thought... If not cyber crime we would then have to look at other seedy crimes of gotham but i dont thinkt they will want to go that root.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Cyber crime is boring, since most criminals cannot be caught by batman, Bane would be addicted to drugs(just a side story), the first movie was about fear, second was about chaos, and third should be about death, of course having a character that can kill batman would be great(bane), then having a anarchist character also(who tries to stir up everything, poison ivy could fill that role), and add a psychopathic mob boss(black mask),

It just seems like in TDK they set up a new mob boss, they the city is in panic and no longer has any heroes(which is where bane comes in leading a cultish following and gathering more and more people, after all how do you fight the whole city, which is what batman will have to do), but the night is always darkest before the dawn, and has the dawn happened, I think not.

 

[General_Obol]

I feel bane would be moving in the wrong direction... only because we already encounter drugs from Dr.Crain... posioning gotham, Drugs was the first movie, the second was really psycho based, on both parts of the joker and two face... The Joker has a philsophy of chaos where as two-face simply now has two minds about everything. Really what were looking for is either Cyber crime which would be a good use of The Riddler and another good reason for joining him with Catwoman. Just a thought... If not cyber crime we would then have to look at other seedy crimes of gotham but i dont thinkt they will want to go that root.

Bane's story wouldn't be about the drugs. It would be about how he is the anti-Batman. The main villains of the previous two movies, Ra's and the Joker, are both anti-Batmen, if that makes any sense. Besides being physical equals, both Batman and Ra's have a high sense of justice; however, Ra's will do whatever it takes to serve justice, while Batman refuses to go past his morals. The Joker, like Batman, chooses to hide behind a mask, and in effect both have become a force greater than their physical selves. Bane and Batman are both masked vigilantes who fight injustice.

 

[Texas Zombie]

bane does not always fight injustice, sometimes he takes it to extremes like batman, but bane similar to venom, like an anti batman, but he does do some evil, and normally he looks to control the city, although now he is kinda a good guy.

 

[General_Obol]

bane does not always fight injustice, sometimes he takes it to extremes like batman, but bane similar to venom, like an anti batman, but he does do some evil, and normally he looks to control the city, although now he is kinda a good guy.

His original motive behind his actions is to fight people that instill fear in others. This was his original intent behind coming to Gotham, to free the Gothamites from their fear of the Batman. This should be how Bane should be portrayed in the next film, if he is indeed used. Fighting what he sees as injustice, and because of this he goes toe-to-toe with the Dark Knight himself.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Yeah, I assume you read his origin, but he was trying to rule gotham, at the end he even says, I will kill batman and then gotham will be mine, but I would love to see him kill a bunch of people just to get batmans attention and kill people trying to kill batman. It would be great if they use bane and black mask which is what i want to have bane wrap his arms around black mask and nearly squeeze him to death before batman intervenes.

 

[General_Obol]

Yeah, I assume you read his origin, but he was trying to rule gotham, at the end he even says, I will kill batman and then gotham will be mine, but I would love to see him kill a bunch of people just to get batmans attention and kill people trying to kill batman. It would be great if they use bane and black mask which is what i want to have bane wrap his arms around black mask and nearly squeeze him to death before batman intervenes.

I'd love to see Bane and Black Mask, as well. They just seem to go well together. Don't know why.

And yes, I have read his origin. Origin stories are the best ones. The Long Halloween taught me that.

Based on what we've both said about Bane, I think we can come to an agreement on how he needs to be portrayed. Someone out to fight injustice (which he sees in the form of Batman), but is not afraid to do whatever is necessary to take down Batman. Which makes me say this: Is it not impossible to make Bane somewhat of a successor to Ra's al Ghul as head of the small remnant of the League of Shadows? Both Bane and Nolan's version of Ra's have many similarities.