The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[ALittlePush]

And yet people don't want to treat it as a different circumstance. And with all due respect to the late great Richard Harris, his Dumbledoor didn't exactly do anything as spectacular or as iconic as Ledger Jokers, it's laughable to even compare the two.

I see where your coming from but that was the only example I could think of off the top of my head that resembles the current situation.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to whether or not you want to see the Joker return played by someone else.

 

[Brother Jack]

I still think the grand finale to the trilogy should involve Joker somehow. Maybe he takes over the Asylum and beckons Batman for a final showdown or something? I mean, you introduce Batmans greatest villain ever in the second movie, then completely sweep him under the carpet for the third and most likely final movie in a trilogy? That makes ZERO sense.

Just because the character isn't on screen doesn't mean his influence and importance on the story will be ignored. You act as if that is the case. I mean look at the ending to Batman Begins; just the mention of him causes tidal waves within the story.

 

[Alex Logan]

Draft Two: Part Two

Roman Sionis - Black Mask

In the comics, Roman Sionis was born into one of Gotham’s wealthiest families, the owners of Janus Cosmetics. After the death of his parents Sionis inherited his family’s business and then proceeded to run it into the ground. He was eventually bailed out when Bruce Wayne bought his company, but feeling disgraced, Sionis became Black Mask and attempted to murder several Wayne Enterprises employees.

Combining a mob boss and a "freak" would create the escalation we need for the third chapter in Chris Nolan's crime epic storyline.

After the "accidental" death of his parents, Sionis inherits everything and decides to use his resources to take total control of the two things he desires most, Wayne Enterprises and Gotham City. Set one year after the events in The Dark Knight, Sionis would serve as the film's central villain. Using a dual identity much the way Bruce Wayne does, Sionis appears to be the squeaky clean industrialist who rivals Lucius Fox for Wayne Enterprises, only secretly to be known as Black Mask, a murdering sadist who controls the largest gang of organized crime in the history of Gotham, The False Face Society.

My casting choice is Matthew Goode (The Lookout, Watchmen). In Watchmen, Goode was handsome and charismatic on the surface, while secretly counseling his true nature... sound like someone else you've heard of?

Jonathan Crane - Scarecrow

A villain who needs litle introduction, Cillian Murphy made the Scarecrow terrifying on screen and if given a purpose he could do it again.

Jonathan Crane has made some new "friends" since the last time we saw him. With Sionis funding his evey experiment, Crane has plenty of time to develop and perfect his "fear" toxin. Adding various chemicals and mind altering drugs, Crane creates something truly terrifying, the abitlty to control his victims.

Since Black Mask would need total obedience from his society of goons it makes sense that he would have someone like Crane on the payroll. Although, they would never be "full" partners, Sionis would view Crane as a mid-level subordinate.

 

[Alex Logan]

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[BestGirl]

And yet people don't want to treat it as a different circumstance. And with all due respect to the late great Richard Harris, his Dumbledoor didn't exactly do anything as spectacular or as iconic as Ledger Jokers, it's laughable to even compare the two.

Plus, Dumbledore probably appears in all the HP books. It wouldn't be easy or even desirable to write him out. B3 hasn't been written yet, so the Joker can easily be removed from the story. Besides, if he doesn't appear in the third movie, there's a built-in reason: he's in Arkham, drugged into a stupor.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Plus, Dumbledore probably appears in all the HP books. It wouldn't be easy or even desirable to write him out. B3 hasn't been written yet, so the Joker can easily be removed from the story. Besides, if he doesn't appear in the third movie, there's a built-in reason: he's in Arkham, drugged into a stupor.

He does indeed, even the last one where he's already dead.

 

[Infinity9999x]

He does indeed, even the last one where he's already dead.

WHAT! HE DIES?

But yeah, DD plays a major role in every book, it would literally be impossible to not include him and stay anywhere close to the original story.

Joker is a different case, which is why I stand by the idea that he should only be recast if he plays a major role in the storyline of the next movie. If not, there's no reason to.

 

[ALittlePush]

Joker is a different case, which is why I stand by the idea that he should only be recast if he plays a major role in the storyline of the next movie. If not, there's no reason to.

This is exactly what I mean, If you're going to recast, at least let it be for a worthwhile part rather than just a cameo.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I personally am for a recast, with a great actor filling the part. I would love to see a black mask pre black mask, wearing the mask sometimes. What I would love to see is joker weld the metal mask around his head.

 

[Alex Logan]

Draft Two: Part Three

Roman Sionis - Black Mask

In the comics, Roman Sionis was born into one of Gotham’s wealthiest families, the owners of Janus Cosmetics. After the death of his parents Sionis inherited his family’s business and then proceeded to run it into the ground. He was eventually bailed out when Bruce Wayne bought his company, but feeling disgraced, Sionis became Black Mask and attempted to murder several Wayne Enterprises employees.

Combining a mob boss and a "freak" would create the escalation we need for the third chapter in Chris Nolan's crime epic storyline.

After the "accidental" death of his parents, Sionis inherits everything and decides to use his resources to take total control of the two things he desires most, Wayne Enterprises and Gotham City. Set one year after the events in The Dark Knight, Sionis would serve as the film's central villain. Using a dual identity much the way Bruce Wayne does, Sionis appears to be the squeaky clean industrialist who rivals Lucius Fox for Wayne Enterprises, only secretly to be known as Black Mask, a murdering sadist who controls the largest gang of organized crime in the history of Gotham, The False Face Society.

In my opinion Matthew Goode (The Lookout) is the one and only choice here. In Watchmen, Goode was handsome and charismatic on the surface, while secretly counseling his true nature... sound like someone else you've heard of?


Jonathan Crane - Scarecrow

An actor who needs little introduction, Cillian Murphy made the Scarecrow terrifying on screen and if given a purpose he could do it again.

Jonathan Crane has made some new "friends" since the last time we saw him. With Sionis funding his every experiment, Crane has plenty of time to develop and perfect his "fear" toxin. Adding various chemicals and mind altering drugs, Crane creates something truly terrifying, the ability to control his victims.

Since Black Mask would need total obedience from his society of goons it makes sense that he would have someone like Crane on the payroll. Although, they would never be "full" partners, Sionis would view Crane as a mid-level subordinate.

Selina Kyle - Catwoman

Selina Kyle first got her start after observing Batman on one of his early outings. She became Catwoman and started doing more daring crimes, which brought her into repeated conflict with The Dark Knight.

Since the third film desperately needs a fresh female lead and a rouge element, Catwoman would fit in perfectly.

Being Selina Kyle means living a double life as well. She's a member of high society by day and a professional thief by night. Knowing that Black Mask is really Roman Sionis, Catwoman seeks vengeance for the violent murder of her sister by striking at Sionis from a distance and in public, which makes her an outlaw the same as Batman.

My choice is British actress Kate Beckinsale (Pearl Harbor, The Aviator). At the age of 35 Beckinsale is perfect to play the sexy and seductive Selina. She's also very easy on the eyes.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I love Beckinsale as Catwoman!!!
However, i wouldnt like Crane to be the main villain again. Batman has so many rogues so it'd be a shame if they used him again so soon. However, i would travel to England to kneel in front of Nolan and beg him to give him another cameo. That's how bad i want it! Preferably we would see him in Arkham, and in some other cell we'd see the joker (or at least hear his laughter and see his makeup smeared on the cell door), Zasz, etc.
It'd be nice if we see Crane again. He'd be like the Bruce Campel of the Batman movies.

 

[BareYourTeeth]

I love Beckinsale as Catwoman!!!
However, i wouldnt like Crane to be the main villain again. Batman has so many rogues so it'd be a shame if they used him again so soon. However, i would travel to England to kneel in front of Nolan and beg him to give him another cameo. That's how bad i want it! Preferably we would see him in Arkham, and in some other cell we'd see the joker (or at least hear his laughter and see his makeup smeared on the cell door), Zasz, etc.
It'd be nice if we see Crane again. He'd be like the Bruce Campel of the Batman movies.

I would love for them to relocate Arkham for the third film and in the opening scene Batman stops Zsasz from something like a few people hostage or something and finally sends him back to Arkham and at the film he sends the twisted/insane villain of the film such as the Riddler or Killer Croc to Arkham and we see the asylum finally taking shape with a scene at the end with some flippin sweet cameos, like you mentoined.

 

[Alex Logan]

I love Beckinsale as Catwoman!!!
However, i wouldnt like Crane to be the main villain again. Batman has so many rogues so it'd be a shame if they used him again so soon. However, i would travel to England to kneel in front of Nolan and beg him to give him another cameo. That's how bad i want it! Preferably we would see him in Arkham, and in some other cell we'd see the joker (or at least hear his laughter and see his makeup smeared on the cell door), Zasz, etc.
It'd be nice if we see Crane again. He'd be like the Bruce Campel of the Batman movies.

As do I my friend!

Crane woun't be the main villian again, Black Mask is the main protaganist in my story. Crane's part would be just a bit bigger than what we saw in TDK.

 

[Alex Logan]

Draft Two: Part Four

Roman Sionis - Black Mask

In the comics, Roman Sionis was born into one of Gotham’s wealthiest families, the owners of Janus Cosmetics. After the death of his parents Sionis inherited his family’s business and then proceeded to run it into the ground. He was eventually bailed out when Bruce Wayne bought his company, but feeling disgraced, Sionis became Black Mask and attempted to murder several Wayne Enterprises employees.

Combining a mob boss and a "freak" would create the escalation we need for the third chapter in Chris Nolan's crime epic storyline.

After the "accidental" death of his parents, Sionis inherits everything and decides to use his resources to take total control of the two things he desires most, Wayne Enterprises and Gotham City. Set one year after the events in The Dark Knight, Sionis would serve as the film's central villain. Using a dual identity much the way Bruce Wayne does, Sionis appears to be the squeaky clean industrialist who rivals Lucius Fox for Wayne Enterprises, only secretly to be known as Black Mask, a murdering sadist who controls the largest gang of organized crime in the history of Gotham, The False Face Society.

In my opinion Matthew Goode (The Lookout) is the one and only choice here. In Watchmen, Goode was handsome and charismatic on the surface, while secretly counseling his true nature... sound like someone else you've heard of?


Jonathan Crane - Scarecrow

An actor who needs little introduction, Cillian Murphy made the Scarecrow terrifying on screen and if given a purpose he could do it again.

Jonathan Crane has made some new "friends" since the last time we saw him. With Sionis funding his every experiment, Crane has plenty of time to develop and perfect his "fear" toxin. Adding various chemicals and mind altering drugs, Crane creates something truly terrifying, the ability to control his victims.

Since Black Mask would need total obedience from his society of goons it makes sense that he would have someone like Crane on the payroll. Although, they would never be "full" partners, Sionis would view Crane as a mid-level subordinate.

Selina Kyle - Catwoman

Selina Kyle first got her start after observing Batman on one of his early outings. She became Catwoman and started doing more daring crimes, which brought her into repeated conflict with The Dark Knight.

Since the third film desperately needs a fresh female lead and a rouge element, Catwoman would fit in perfectly.

Being Selina Kyle means living a double life as well. She's a member of high society by day and a professional thief by night. Knowing that Black Mask is really Roman Sionis, Catwoman seeks vengeance for the violent murder of her sister by striking at Sionis from a distance and in public, which makes her an outlaw the same as Batman.

My choice is British actress Kate Beckinsale (Pearl Harbor, The Aviator). At the age of 35 Beckinsale is perfect to play the sexy and seductive Selina. She's also very easy on the eyes.

Oswald Cobblepot - The Penguin

Due to his distinctive appearance and a fascination with birds, Oswald Cobblepot has been called "Penguin" all his life. But what began as a malicious childhood nickname has become one of the most feared names in the criminal underworld.

Even though The Penguin made a name for himself in the comics, he's always been quite the obscure character. In order to adapt him to a serious crime story most all of his campy behavior needs to be omitted.

To the public Oswald wouldn't be much more than a flashy nightclub owner, but to other "powers" in Gotham he would serve as a weapons dealer and information broker. Supplying guns and ammunition to The False Face Society, while selling details about their leader to Catwoman and the Gotham police, Cobblepot plans to play all sides against each other to gain control of the criminal underworld.

Actor Ian Holm (Alien, From Hell) is the best choice here. Holm is seasoned actor who's been around for years, but it wasn't until he played Simeon Weisz in "Lord of War" that he appeared perfect for this role.

 

[J. Custer]

Alex presents some ideas that would make batman 3 a real winner. Great work!

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Very nice work, I might not agree with all the casting choices, but the characters are well chosen. It logically follows the line BB and TDK set out. This sucker needs to be epic beyond words. More adversaries old and new, more freaks, more people inspired by Batman scrambling the nighttime rooftops. I would throw in a Joker gang, as seen in Batman Beyond. The Joker MUST have a lasting impact on Gotham's society. A clan of people dressing up as Jokers doing horrible **** would be interesting.

Ain't the prospect of a third Nolan Batman movie goddamn exciting? It could be so ****ing monstrously epic and amazing.

 

[Brother Jack]

I really like the idea of a Joker gang, not only to symbolically show Joker's lasting impression on Gotham but also to reference the Batman gang from TDK (and the power shift that has occurred).

 

[Alex Logan]

Alex presents some ideas that would make batman 3 a real winner. Great work!

Thanks, and I'm not done yet.

Very nice work, I might not agree with all the casting choices, but the characters are well chosen. It logically follows the line BB and TDK set out. This sucker needs to be epic beyond words. More adversaries old and new, more freaks, more people inspired by Batman scrambling the nighttime rooftops. I would throw in a Joker gang, as seen in Batman Beyond. The Joker MUST have a lasting impact on Gotham's society. A clan of people dressing up as Jokers doing horrible **** would be interesting.

Ain't the prospect of a third Nolan Batman movie goddamn exciting? It could be so ****ing monstrously epic and amazing.

Thanks. Could you give me your ideas on my casting?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Tom Hardy as Black Mask!

 

[Rodrigo90]

I dont agree with a Joker gang. Not after that child killer in germany. Evil ******

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Thanks. Could you give me your ideas on my casting?

Oswald Cobblepot - Bob Hoskins. He would rock that ****ing part.

I dont agree with a Joker gang. Not after that child killer in germany. Evil ******

It was in Belgium I believe, not Germany. I think it's sad that the only reason that news spread around the world was his face-paint, it provided yet another reason for people to say ''the movie made him do it!''.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

I wouldn't mind the Joker being recasted,or acting different. Cause the Joker supposedly ''recreates himself''. So it would be interesting to see a different actor bringing something different to the performance.

On a different franchise, with a whole new cast? Maybe. But one of the worst things that could happen to a sequel would be a Joker that acts differently. The one thing that made people fall in love with Ledger's was his acting: his demeanor, his voice.. change that and people will be pissed. Keep it intact and it will be just a mere impression. It's a lose-lose.

Johnny Depp should play him, his talents are far better suited for Joker than the Riddler.

What if he plays neither?

Good luck getting Deep to agree to doing it, in fact good luck finding any actor who'd want to take over, there's a level of respect amongst actors especially for performances as iconic as Ledgers. Not only that, I'm doubtful Chris would want anyone taking over.

I don't believe Depp would do it either. He already recasted Ledger in one role after his death, Tony in "The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus", and one could see Depp under-performing, possibly to keep the spotlight over the rightful performer of the character. Depp wouldn't make something so drastic as trying to compete with or overshadow Ledger's Joker. It just won't happen.

I still think the grand finale to the trilogy should involve Joker somehow. Maybe he takes over the Asylum and beckons Batman for a final showdown or something? I mean, you introduce Batmans greatest villain ever in the second movie, then completely sweep him under the carpet for the third and most likely final movie in a trilogy? That makes ZERO sense.

Exactly why? Why does it make zero sense? Is it from a marketing point of view or because the story demands it? What dictates the Joker must be in the final chapter? Nothing. We're going to see the effects he brought: We're going to see people becoming that new kind of criminal, or the citizens dissin' Batman, like he predicted.. or Batman having to be on the run trying to preserve Dent as the symbol nobody know the Joker tarnished.

The Joker's big enough for the franchise already, he's the catalyst (and real cause) of many of the things Batman's going to face the next movie. This is still a story about Batman, not about his villains. The Joker appeared in the moment he could push the story forward the most. He was the first real super-villain. Why do we need him in the last chapter again? I think you're thinking from a marketing point of view.

Bad marketing anyway, because with an announcement like that you're risking overshadowing every other bit of production or other aspects of the film. Remember TDK's viral marketing, there were weeks when the Joker wasn't even mentioned and it was all about Dent. Leave the Joker be.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

Oswald Cobblepot - The Penguin
Due to his distinctive appearance and a fascination with birds, Oswald Cobblepot has been called "Penguin" all his life. But what began as a malicious childhood nickname has become one of the most feared names in the criminal underworld.

Even though The Penguin made a name for himself in the comics, he's always been quite the obscure character. In order to adapt him to a serious crime story most all of his campy behavior needs to be omitted.

To the public Oswald wouldn't be much more than a flashy nightclub owner, but to other "powers" in Gotham he would serve as a weapons dealer and information broker. Supplying guns and ammunition to The False Face Society, while selling details about their leader to Catwoman and the Gotham police, Cobblepot plans to play all sides against each other to gain control of the criminal underworld.

I would love to see the Penguin in the sequel, and being the man pulling the strings behind the rest of the villains, trying to overthrown them would be even sweeter. I would personally like him to be the sole recognizable mob boss in the story, because I think he can be way better than BlackMask, but it's okay anyway. And Ian Holm is terrific, but I'd like a younger Penguin, someone I can really despise (I wouldn't want to see Batman punching grandpas). For me, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would be PERFECT.

And there's one other thing I'd like to hear your opinion on... since Cobblepot is a quite rich arms dealer, and the owner of some really exccentric umbrella gadgets, what if he's taken to next level as a fold to Batman? What if he's able to match Lucius Fox's technology level and make Batman have a run for his money. He relies so much in high-tech, it would be fun to see him rely more on his wits and brawn. What if the Penguin is the one who pushes hm do that?

 

[Alex Logan]

I would love to see the Penguin in the sequel, and being the man pulling the strings behind the rest of the villains, trying to overthrown them would be even sweeter. I would personally like him to be the sole recognizable mob boss in the story, because I think he can be way better than BlackMask, but it's okay anyway. And Ian Holm is terrific, but I'd like a younger Penguin, someone I can really despise (I wouldn't want to see Batman punching grandpas). For me, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would be PERFECT.

The Penguin pulling the strings behind the scene it exactly what I had in mind. I'm gald you like the idea.

I really do like Holm the best for this role, I like Hoffman too, but he told MTV in an interview that he wan't into doing the role.

And there's one other thing I'd like to hear your opinion on... since Cobblepot is a quite rich arms dealer, and the owner of some really exccentric umbrella gadgets, what if he's taken to next level as a fold to Batman? What if he's able to match Lucius Fox's technology level and make Batman have a run for his money. He relies so much in high-tech, it would be fun to see him rely more on his wits and brawn. What if the Penguin is the one who pushes hm do that?

Well, Cobblepot would have money, but you have to remember that this is the first time we'd see him... so he's just getting started, he wouldn't be able to match Batman's technology level just yet.

In the comics, The Penguin has never really been a match for Batman. He's always needed heavy hitters to do his work for him. If anyone would push Batman to use his wits it would have to be Nolan's version of The Riddler. Good idea though.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

Well, Cobblepot would have money, but you have to remember that this is the first time we'd see him... so he's just getting started, he wouldn't be able to match Batman's technology level just yet.

In the comics, The Penguin has never really been a match for Batman. He's always needed heavy hitters to do his work for him. If anyone would push Batman to use his wits it would have to be Nolan's version of The Riddler. Good idea though.

Three points:

1. Cobblepot could be British and his company could be settled abroad, only he's now establishing his headquarters in Gotham. That doesn't make him new, just that his origins are out of the city.

2. He can improve his place in the technology race by organizing some high theft to W.E. and Fox's technology.

3. The Riddler hasn't either been a real match for Batman, ever. For both characters, what they have been pales in comparison to what they could be. Why not amp up both of their menace levels?