The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[raybia]

There are some really good ideas here especially concerning Black Mask. For me, given the events of TDK, its not the direction that I want the next movie to go in.

To me the 3rd movie should fulfill a prophesy from BB when Ras said Bruce would become a legend. So the 3rd movie definitely needs to rap up Batman status as a fugitive and Bruce coming to grips that he is more Batman than Bruce Wayne and that his mission will be neverending one.

I would like to see a more intimate movie that is more of a pyschological thiller than action/adventure. I don't want Nolan to try to outdo TDK because I don't think he can. So I would take this approach. That is why I would rather see the Riddler and Scarecrow as the villians. The Riddler I see as more of a cross between the Zodiac killer and John Doe from Se7en. Scarecrow should come back with a new toxin that along with the actions of the Riddler takes Batman (and the audience) into a literal pyschological trip into his mind.

I would love to see a surreal sequence involving the fear toxin that is more Watchmen or Sin City in appearance that plays out like Batman from the DC Universe.

Of course I would love to see a Selina Kyle but then the dilmema is how do you balance 3 villians without taking away from Bruce/Batman because this should definitely be his story and no as much of an ensemble movie like TDK. Maybe I'm really off base with my thoughts and ideas for the 3rd movie but thats how I see it at the moment.

 

[Alex Logan]

Oswald Cobblepot - Bob Hoskins. He would rock that ****ing part.

I wanted him at first, but I think I read some where that he had no interest in the part.

 

[Alex Logan]

Draft Two: Part Five

Roman Sionis - Black Mask

In the comics, Roman Sionis was born into one of Gotham’s wealthiest families, the owners of Janus Cosmetics. After the death of his parents Sionis inherited his family’s business and then proceeded to run it into the ground. He was eventually bailed out when Bruce Wayne bought his company, but feeling disgraced, Sionis became Black Mask and attempted to murder several Wayne Enterprises employees.

Combining a mob boss and a "freak" would create the escalation we need for the third chapter in Chris Nolan's crime epic storyline.

After the "accidental" death of his parents, Sionis inherits everything and decides to use his resources to take total control of the two things he desires most, Wayne Enterprises and Gotham City. Set one year after the events in The Dark Knight, Sionis would serve as the film's central villain. Using a dual identity much the way Bruce Wayne does, Sionis appears to be the squeaky clean industrialist who rivals Lucius Fox for Wayne Enterprises, only secretly to be known as Black Mask, a murdering sadist who controls the largest gang of organized crime in the history of Gotham.

In my opinion Matthew Goode (The Lookout) is the one and only choice here. In Watchmen, Goode was handsome and charismatic on the surface, while secretly counseling his true nature... sound like someone else you've heard of?

Jonathan Crane - Scarecrow

An actor who needs little introduction, Cillian Murphy made the Scarecrow terrifying on screen and if given a purpose he could do it again.

Jonathan Crane has made some new "friends" since the last time we saw him. With Sionis funding his every experiment, Crane has plenty of time to develop and perfect his "fear" toxin. Adding various chemicals and mind altering drugs, Crane creates something truly terrifying, the ability to control his victims.

Since Black Mask needs total obedience from his society of goons it makes sense that he would work with Crane, however, they would never be "full" partners, Black Mask see people like Crane as subordinates.

Selina Kyle - Catwoman

After success as Catwoman made her wealthy, Selina Kyle entered Gotham's social elite. Dining and dancing with the same people from whom she was stealing, Selina also managed to date billionaire Bruce Wayne.


Since the third film desperately needs a fresh female lead and a rouge element, Catwoman would fit in perfectly.

Being Selina Kyle means living a double life as well. She's a member of high society by day and a professional thief by night. Knowing that Black Mask is really Roman Sionis, Catwoman seeks vengeance for the violent murder of her sister by striking at Sionis from a distance and in public, which makes her an outlaw the same as Batman.

My choice is British actress Kate Beckinsale (Pearl Harbor, The Aviator). At the age of 35 Beckinsale is perfect to play the sexy and seductive Selina. She's also very easy on the eyes.

Oswald Cobblepot - The Penguin

Due to his appearance and a fascination with birds, Oswald Cobblepot has been called "Penguin" all his life. But what began as a malicious nickname has become one of the most feared names in the criminal underworld.

Even though The Penguin made a name for himself in the comics, he's always been a very obscure character. In order to adapt him to a serious crime story most all of his campy behavior needs to be omitted.

To the public Oswald wouldn't be much more than a flashy nightclub owner, but to other "powers" in Gotham he would serve as a weapons dealer and information broker. Supplying guns and ammunition to The False Face Society, while selling details about their leader to Catwoman and the Gotham police, Cobblepot plans to play all sides against each other to gain control of the criminal underworld.

Actor Ian Holm (Alien, From Hell) is our choice here. Holm is seasoned actor who's been around for years, but it wasn't until he played Simeon Weisz in "Lord of War" that he appeared perfect for this role.

Sandra Wu-San - Lady Shiva

Traveling the globe, Lady Shiva has devoted her life to the perfection in the martial arts. She's also a gun-for-hire, who specializes in bare-handed kills.

According to several writers, Lady Shiva would win eight out of ten fights against Batman, and introducing a character like her would give a much greater challenge to our hero.

When The League of Shadows failed in Gotham, Sandra Wu-San found a new way to bring justice to the world, she become Lady Shiva. As high priced assassin for criminal targets, Shiva is hired in secret by an unknown party to travel west and eliminate the murdering vigilante known as The Batman.

My casting choice is Hawaiian-born actress Maggie Q (MI: 3). Q's preformace in "Live Free or Die Hard" proved that she can be cold and emotionless while still remaining stunning beautiful. She also has the martial arts background needed for the part.

The Conclusion

The False Face Society now out numbers the police and the National Guard. Black Mask has abducted several key figures in the community including the mayor, the new district attorney, Commissioner Jim Gordon and Wayne Enterprises executive Lucius Fox.

With little time remaining and an assassin waiting for him to make a mistake, Batman must free Catwoman from police custody and use the information she has to find Black Mask. But will there be enough time to find an antidote to the new fear toxin and save all the hostages before The False Face Society takes over the entire city?

 

[skiddyboy]

What about Mark Strong for....Roman Sionis - Black Mask,


Have a look and see what you think

or an even better one,

 

[Nightwing 52]

Draft Two: Part Five

Roman Sionis - Black Mask

In the comics, Roman Sionis was born into one of Gotham’s wealthiest families, the owners of Janus Cosmetics. After the death of his parents Sionis inherited his family’s business and then proceeded to run it into the ground. He was eventually bailed out when Bruce Wayne bought his company, but feeling disgraced, Sionis became Black Mask and attempted to murder several Wayne Enterprises employees.

Combining a mob boss and a "freak" would create the escalation we need for the third chapter in Chris Nolan's crime epic storyline.

After the "accidental" death of his parents, Sionis inherits everything and decides to use his resources to take total control of the two things he desires most, Wayne Enterprises and Gotham City. Set one year after the events in The Dark Knight, Sionis would serve as the film's central villain. Using a dual identity much the way Bruce Wayne does, Sionis appears to be the squeaky clean industrialist who rivals Lucius Fox for Wayne Enterprises, only secretly to be known as Black Mask, a murdering sadist who controls the largest gang of organized crime in the history of Gotham, The False Face Society.

In my opinion Matthew Goode (The Lookout) is the one and only choice here. In Watchmen, Goode was handsome and charismatic on the surface, while secretly counseling his true nature... sound like someone else you've heard of?

Jonathan Crane - Scarecrow

An actor who needs little introduction, Cillian Murphy made the Scarecrow terrifying on screen and if given a purpose he could do it again.

Jonathan Crane has made some new "friends" since the last time we saw him. With Sionis funding his every experiment, Crane has plenty of time to develop and perfect his "fear" toxin. Adding various chemicals and mind altering drugs, Crane creates something truly terrifying, the ability to control his victims.

Since Black Mask needs total obedience from his society of goons it makes sense that he would work with Crane, however, they would never be "full" partners, Black Mask see people like Crane as subordinates.

Selina Kyle - Catwoman

Selina Kyle first got her start after observing Batman on one of his early outings. She became Catwoman and started doing more daring crimes, which brought her into repeated conflict with The Dark Knight.

Since the third film desperately needs a fresh female lead and a rouge element, Catwoman would fit in perfectly.

Being Selina Kyle means living a double life as well. She's a member of high society by day and a professional thief by night. Knowing that Black Mask is really Roman Sionis, Catwoman seeks vengeance for the violent murder of her sister by striking at Sionis from a distance and in public, which makes her an outlaw the same as Batman.

My choice is British actress Kate Beckinsale (Pearl Harbor, The Aviator). At the age of 35 Beckinsale is perfect to play the sexy and seductive Selina. She's also very easy on the eyes.

Oswald Cobblepot - The Penguin

Due to his appearance and a fascination with birds, Oswald Cobblepot has been called "Penguin" all his life. But what began as a malicious nickname has become one of the most feared names in the criminal underworld.

Even though The Penguin made a name for himself in the comics, he's always been a very obscure character. In order to adapt him to a serious crime story most all of his campy behavior needs to be omitted.

To the public Oswald wouldn't be much more than a flashy nightclub owner, but to other "powers" in Gotham he would serve as a weapons dealer and information broker. Supplying guns and ammunition to The False Face Society, while selling details about their leader to Catwoman and the Gotham police, Cobblepot plans to play all sides against each other to gain control of the criminal underworld.

Actor Ian Holm (Alien, From Hell) is our choice here. Holm is seasoned actor who's been around for years, but it wasn't until he played Simeon Weisz in "Lord of War" that he appeared perfect for this role.

Sandra Wu-San - Lady Shiva

Traveling the globe, Lady Shiva has devoted her life to the perfection in the martial arts. She's also a gun-for-hire, who specializes in bare-handed kills.

According to several writers, Lady Shiva would win eight out of ten fights against Batman, and introducing a character like her would give a much greater challenge to our hero.

When The League of Shadows failed in Gotham, Sandra Wu-San found a new way to bring justice to the world, she become Lady Shiva. As high priced assassin for criminal targets, Shiva is hired in secret by an unknown party to travel west and eliminate the murdering vigilante known as The Batman.

My casting choice is Hawaiian-born actress Maggie Q (MI: 3). Q's preformace in "Live Free or Die Hard" proved that she can be cold and emotionless while still remaining stunning beautiful. She also has the martial arts background needed for the part.

The Conclusion

The False Face Society now out numbers the police and the National Guard. Black Mask has abducted several key figures in the community including the mayor, the new district attorney, Commissioner Jim Gordon and Wayne Enterprises executive Lucius Fox.

With little time remaining and an assassin waiting for him to make a mistake, Batman must free Catwoman from police custody and use the information she has to find Black Mask. But will there be enough time to find an antidote to the new fear toxin and save all the hostages before The False Face Society takes over the entire city?

Dude, I absolutely love these ideas and choices. Only thing I'd have is Hoskins as Penguin. But other than that, major props.

 

[Alex Logan]

What about Mark Strong for....Roman Sionis - Black Mask,

Have a look and see what you think

or an even better one,

I really like this guy, I knew he would be big after I saw him in Stardust. I like him for Black Mask, but he wouldn't fit into my story only because he looks so damn evil! Very, very good choice though!

Dude, I absolutely love these ideas and choices. Only thing I'd have is Hoskins as Penguin. But other than that, major props.

Thanks!

 

[Hobgoblin]

Very nice work, I might not agree with all the casting choices, but the characters are well chosen. It logically follows the line BB and TDK set out. This sucker needs to be epic beyond words. More adversaries old and new, more freaks, more people inspired by Batman scrambling the nighttime rooftops. I would throw in a Joker gang, as seen in Batman Beyond. The Joker MUST have a lasting impact on Gotham's society. A clan of people dressing up as Jokers doing horrible **** would be interesting.

Ain't the prospect of a third Nolan Batman movie goddamn exciting? It could be so ****ing monstrously epic and amazing.

Thats what I'm afraid of. Spider-Man 3 had more of everything and it just became cluttered. More is not always better.

Although I do like the idea of the Joker somehow leaving a mark on Gotham.

 

[raybia]

Thats what I'm afraid of. Spider-Man 3 had more of everything and it just became cluttered. More is not always better.

Although I do like the idea of the Joker somehow leaving a mark on Gotham.

I agree. I think the way to go on the next movie is to go the opposite. Make a more personal tale for Bruce Wayne/Batman that is more of a psychological thriller than an action pack bonanza. I'm thinking of something along the lines of a Se7en/ Silence of the Lambs meets The Professional.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Agreed raybia. I wouldnt mind Riddler trying to discover who Batman is, at the behest of the citizens of Gotham. He could be framing Bats for brutal vigilante crimes, to stoke public anger and become famous. It would be a nice combination of Riddler as the super villain and the current incarnation as a sleazy detective in his own right.

 

[Alex Logan]

Thats what I'm afraid of. Spider-Man 3 had more of everything and it just became cluttered. More is not always better.

Although I do like the idea of the Joker somehow leaving a mark on Gotham.

There's no reason to believe that a third Batman will turn out like Spiderman 3. One of the biggest problems with Spiderman 3 was people, other then the director, trying to leave their mark on the film.

Don't get me wrong I do agree with you to some digree. The story needs to be great while keeping to the basics.

This is also Chris Nolan and DC Comics. Nolan hasn't made a bad films YET and DC comics hasn't put out a bad film since 2005. I'm confident that they know what their doing THIS time around.

I agree. I think the way to go on the next movie is to go the opposite. Make a more personal tale for Bruce Wayne/Batman that is more of a psychological thriller than an action pack bonanza. I'm thinking of something along the lines of a Se7en/ Silence of the Lambs meets The Professional.

To some degree we already saw that film, it was called Batman Begins. What you're talking about almost seem like a step backward. I'm really kinda lost here...

I can't tell you how much I loath the idea of turning the Riddler into a Se7en or Silence of the Lambs type killer, that's just not Nygma's character.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

Thats what I'm afraid of. Spider-Man 3 had more of everything and it just became cluttered. More is not always better.

Technically, there were more villains (and secondary characters, for that matter) in The Dark Knight than in SM3. I think it's all about lmiting their screen time to maximize impact, and actually writing them into a hierarchy and into all kinds of relationships with each others... you know, more complicated than the ol' "villains joining forces against the good guy".

Whatever the formula, the Nolans got it right, Raimi got it wrong. So let's not sweat over the idea of three or more villains if it's Nolan helming the project.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

I can't tell you how much I loath the idea of turning the Riddler into a Se7en or Silence of the Lambs type killer, that's just not Nygma's character.

Same here. To me, it's just unoriginal and lacks excitement. Luckily, there's a popular counter-proposition for that, and it's called "the Fed route".

 

[sabetoonth]

the riddler should be a narcisist, i have a link to a video about the psychology of batmna and his foes if anyone is interested

 

[skiddyboy]

Here's a couple of ideas for Selina Kyle/Catwoman:

Zoe Salanda

or

Ashely Greene,

Both these women are very beautiful, and would bring something different to the role.

What do you guy's think??

 

[sabetoonth]

i almost forgot i had a girl freind, then i remember she boke it off, all just lookin at those pics, im not familiar with their acting though so idk

 

[skiddyboy]

Zoe Salanda was in the new Star trek movie and is also in Avatar as the main female lead.
Ashley Greene is Alice Cullen in the Twilight saga's ( she's a MUCH better actress than the lead female Kirsten Stewart )

Hope this helps.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

I suggest you post those casting ideas on the Catwoman Casting Thread.
And good luck.. you're gonna need it

 

[skiddyboy]

How about Brendan Gleeson as the Penguin:

 

[raybia]

There's no reason to believe that a third Batman will turn out like Spiderman 3. One of the biggest problems with Spiderman 3 was people, other then the director, trying to leave their mark on the film.

Don't get me wrong I do agree with you to some digree. The story needs to be great while keeping to the basics.

This is also Chris Nolan and DC Comics. Nolan hasn't made a bad films YET and DC comics hasn't put out a bad film since 2005. I'm confident that they know what their doing THIS time around.



To some degree we already saw that film, it was called Batman Begins. What you're talking about almost seem like a step backward. I'm really kinda lost here...

I can't tell you how much I loath the idea of turning the Riddler into a Se7en or Silence of the Lambs type killer, that's just not Nygma's character.

I don't think Batman Begins was anything remote to a psychological thiller. In fact in many ways it had the same structure of Supeman: The Movie or Spider-Man. I think that doing the next movie in the same mode as TDK except bigger and grander in size is not taking a step forward but rather more of the same.

Also I never mentioned turning the Riddler into a killer but the M.O. of John Doe and the Zodiac was very much like that of the Riddler so that is why I mentioned them. I would also like the Riddler to have some of the same creepness. Of course the Riddler is known as a narcisist so I would also want to see that aspect of him. Of course just because the Riddler is not a killer doesn't mean that he has to advertise the fact. He definitely some keep the GPD and Batman guessing.

 

[Alex Logan]

I don't think Batman Begins was anything remote to a psychological thiller. In fact in many ways it had the same structure of Supeman: The Movie or Spider-Man. I think that doing the next movie in the same mode as TDK except bigger and grander in size is not taking a step forward but rather more of the same.

Also I never mentioned turning the Riddler into a killer but the M.O. of John Doe and the Zodiac was very much like that of the Riddler so that is why I mentioned them. I would also like the Riddler to have some of the same creepness. Of course the Riddler is known as a narcisist so I would also want to see that aspect of him. Of course just because the Riddler is not a killer doesn't mean that he has to advertise the fact. He definitely some keep the GPD and Batman guessing.

What I meant was that we already saw a more intimate movie in Batman Begins and The Scarecrow has already played a large role in one film. I also don't think the third film needs to be bigger and grander, we just need to see something different.

The problem is that the Riddler is not all that creepy. Actually, The Riddler has advertised that he is not a killer. He's a pacificit and in many cases he has tried to avoid even fighting Batman.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

TDK was both psychological and thrilling with big action scenes. IMO, the sequel should improve on both of those. Make the intimate scenes more intimate and psychological, and the action scenes even bigger and more dramatic. Add more focus on Batman's character and mix There's the sequel I want.

 

[Brother Jack]

The problem is that the Riddler is not all that creepy. Actually, The Riddler has advertised that he is not a killer. He's a pacificit and in many cases he has tried to avoid even fighting Batman.

Riddler doesn't have to be a killer to be creepy. The idea of an ego-maniac obsessively trying to prove to the world that he's the smartest can be very creepy when handled correctly.

 

[Alex Logan]

Riddler doesn't have to be a killer to be creepy. The idea of an ego-maniac obsessively trying to prove to the world that he's the smartest can be very creepy when handled correctly.

I agree.

 

[RustyCage]

TDK was both psychological and thrilling with big action scenes. IMO, the sequel should improve on both of those. Make the intimate scenes more intimate and psychological, and the action scenes even bigger and more dramatic. Add more focus on Batman's character and mix There's the sequel I want.

That's exactly the right formula to make this movie more profound and impactful without trying to overstuff it's own plate like Spidey 3 did.

Of course, Batman's character evolution (as well as Bruce Wayne's) needs to be explored further to compliment that formula.

Everything should revolve around all that, which is why I feel Riddler and Catwoman are perfect for the next film. And of course something (or someone) needs to push Bruce Wayne into becoming less of a clueless playboy.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I perosnally would hate if batman became a thriller, sure there are aspects of that in the movie, but it's basically character driven action movie series.

Batman should physically and psychologically become the batman we know(a closed off man, he rarely confines in others, and always has a backup).

Joker should return, ideally it would be nice to have a great
capable actor.

Joker changed things, now a hole new wave of gimmicky wannabes have tried to copy cat what the joker fullfilled.

The old mafioso ways of doing things are over, a very clever but shortsighted business man figures out things are changing, he must adapt, he takes the role
of mob leader.

In his new persona he begins to lose himself, he has become obsessed, he is burning his old business to the ground. He gives himself the name black mask(he wears a black skull reminiscent metal mask).
As the police find out who he is he begins a plot that will destroy everything batman has worked torwards. In his desperation he welds his mask together, forever becoming black mask.

Meanwhile the joker is being transferred to arkham for his mental evaluation, batman sees him every now and then.

Just ideas.