The Force Awakens J.J. Abrams to Direct Star Wars Episode VII - Part 3

[Gianakin_]

C is an essential part of Life itself, Snow Queen.

The ironic thing is that, while his direction was better in AoU, the writing is easily worse.

 

[flickchick85]

For the record, I wasn't even thinking of MoS when I mentioned Snyder. That's the least Snyder-y Snyder film yet, imo (and the only one I have any affection for whatsoever, despite all the problems I have with it). When I think of his visuals, I was thinking of Watchmen, 300 and Sucker Punch, mainly.

 

[Gianakin_]

We may disagree about JJ and Joss, but I'll admit it was unfair to equate JJ and Snyder in this way. I do think what I said applies to both of them, but JJ isn't nearly as bad about it as Snyder. He's a much better storyteller in general, imo. That was a low blow and I take it back, lol.

Fair enough on JJ/Joss. As for Snyder, while I think JJ is at least as strong as his scripts (he single-handedly saved STID, imo), I'm now confident that Snyder isn't even capable of that. The former's a giddy kid-at-hear, the latter is an easily impressionable man-child (in his art, that is. Otherwise, he seems like a really nice guy).

 

[Snow Queen]

For the record, I wasn't even thinking of MoS when I mentioned Snyder. That's the least Snyder-y Snyder film yet, imo. When I think of his visuals, I was thinking of Watchmen, 300 and Sucker Punch, mainly.

 

[flickchick85]

^^ My bad.

Fair enough on JJ/Joss. As for Snyder, while I think JJ is at least as strong as his scripts (he single-handedly saved STID, imo), I'm now confident that Snyder isn't even capable of that. The former's a giddy kid-at-hear, the latter is an easily impressionable man-child (in his art, that is. Otherwise, he seems like a really nice guy).

Agreed.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Because we can't have a conversation about anything on this site without either:
A) Nolan love
B) Nolan hate
C) Man of Steel bashing


Good to hear it's better at least.

Yeah I guess. I should get use to it.

Me: "Hey I thought those crackers were pretty good."

Person: "Zack Snyder sucks!"

Me: "Okay ."

That's how it feels everyday, on here and on twitter. I guess it is pretty funny when you think about it.

Eh, other directors get it worse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh, I'll take the best episodes of Buffy, Angel and Firefly over the best eps of Alias, Lost or Felicity any day. And Joss actually directed those. J.J. didn't direct the best episodes of ANY of his shows. Except maybe the Lost pilot. That was an awesome pilot.

In terms of directing, I prefer Joss's long takes and "stand back and see it all" approach over JJ's intense shaky close-ups and lens-flares. *shrugs* Different strokes.

And I actually think Joss would love to go back to TV, as long as it's not with Fox.

JJ was very hands off with the majority of the shows he has made.

I'll take Star Trek and Super 8 over anything Joss has done from a director's standpoint. JJ makes kinetic films, with real energy. Scope and scale, with a depth of color. They all look crisp, even MI3.

Joss is tonally flat, outside of AoU. JI mean, just look at how ugly the Avengers is. I say this as a huge fan of Buffy and Firefly. His long takes are neat, but they aren't Joe Wright from "Atonement" quality.

 

[flickchick85]

Eh, other directors get it worse.

Indeed. Far as I know, no one's run Snyder off Twitter yet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just don't know if I want to see excessively quipy and cutesy Star Wars. Star Wars is more your thing though so if you would be happy with that I would be super happy for you.

I literally cannot even picture a Joss Whedon Batman movie. Eh maybe he just brought up Batman to **** with Marvel? Yeah I could see that.

I totally get your point. It would be a risk I'd rather not take, but I have warmed up to the idea of AoU.

Because we can't have a conversation about anything on this site without either:
A) Nolan love
B) Nolan hate
C) Man of Steel bashing


Good to hear it's better at least.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

JJ was very hands off with the majority of the shows he has made.

I'll take Star Trek and Super 8 over anything Joss has done from a director's standpoint. JJ makes kinetic films, with real energy. Scope and scale, with a depth of color. They all look crisp, even MI3.

Joss is tonally flat, outside of AoU. JI mean, just look at how ugly the Avengers is. I say this as a huge fan of Buffy and Firefly. His long takes are neat, but they aren't Joe Wright from "Atonement" quality.

I pretty much agree with this.

By the way I'll always high five Whedon for creating the buffy the vampire slayer television series.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The best thing in the world is someone telling you that you just don't get Sucker Punch. Like your intelligence could possibly not be high enough to understand that film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I guess. I should get use to it.

Me: "Hey I thought those crackers were pretty good."

Person: "Zack Snyder sucks!"

Me: "Okay ."

That's how it feels everyday, on here and on twitter. I guess it is pretty funny when you think about it.

Eh, other directors get it worse.

Snyder does suck.

But I love me some 300 and MoS. Dude really needs a writer, someone to take him out of middle school. Which makes me hopeful for DoJ. Then again Terrio might not understand the characters of Clark and Bruce at all.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well that's the sign for me to exit stage left. I did have an interesting time talking about the prospect/ ins and outs of Whedon doing a Star Wars film because of the probably ******** rumors. The new random talk is not something I'm particularly interested in. See ya.

 

[flickchick85]

JJ was very hands off with the majority of the shows he has made.

He didn't start out hands-off, he just became that way when he got bored. With Felicity and Alias, he started out as not just their creator, but show runner as well, and abandoned them to do something else (Alias and Lost respectively), not even after much time. He didn't plan his stories long-term because he basically didn't have the creative attention span to follow them through. Alias was only my #1 favorite show of the time. Bitter? Me? Nevah.

I'll take Star Trek and Super 8 over anything Joss has done from a director's standpoint. JJ makes kinetic films, with real energy. Scope and scale, with a depth of color. They all look crisp, even MI3.

And I'll just agree to disagree there. I didn't find his Spielberg imitation appealing in Super 8, and well, I've already said my piece on his usual visual style from the other films.

Joss is tonally flat, outside of AoU. JI mean, just look at how ugly the Avengers is. I say this as a huge fan of Buffy and Firefly. His long takes are neat, but they aren't Joe Wright from "Atonement" quality.

His stuff is colorful, like live-action cartoons, and I like that. I think it has personality. And the long takes and thoughtful shot choices. But as we've said, different strokes.

EDIT: I know it's starting to sound like I just want to bash JJ, and I don't. For the record, I think he's good and a better fit for Star Wars than Whedon. I just prefer Whedon in the grand scheme, and I'm glad Rian Johnson's taking over SW after this one, due to the aforementioned short creative attention span I find to be an issue with Abrams. And also because Rian Johnson rules.

 

[titansupes]

I think given that virtually every fanboy/commentator on the net (including me) says that Whedon isn't right for SW, coupled with his comments, Kennedy and co. would have that same opinion. They've been making but smart choices since the deal was struck, so I have faith.

Still... Please don't let Whedon do IX.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm still thinking that IX will be done by Bird, as he preps up The Incredibles 2. There so much time before IX that a director can even work on another movie before hand.

Another potential candidate is Alfonso Cuaron, who is staying on the down low for a while. He clams though, that he doesn't want to do another big VFX type movie for a while, but we'll see.

I'm still sticking to my guns and say that Colin Treverrow has that Boba Fett spinoff. I think it needs to be directed by someone who grew up with Star Wars, especially when dealing with Boba Fett, you can't just give it to anyone. Trank had the talent and he was of the right age to appreciate Fett, but he screwed up. But I thin
k Colin fits the criteria like Trank and Edwards.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm still thinking that IX will be done by Bird, as he preps up The Incredibles 2. There so much time before IX that a director can even work on another movie before hand.

Another potential candidate is Alfonso Cuaron, who is staying on the down low for a while. He clams though, that he doesn't want to do another big VFX type movie for a while, but we'll see.

LOL, these guys (plus Rian Johnson) were my top picks for Star Wars to begin with, so basically I love everything you're saying. t:

 

[titansupes]

^ I was all on-board for Cuaron for IX, but a week or so ago another poster wrote an excellent in support of Bird (who was my choice for VII... along with everyone elses) and now I've got my hat in that ring. I've just never seen him do anything "dark", and I think the last Episode in a SW trilogy should be on the darker side to some degree.

 

[Octoberist]

I think Bird can do 'dark'. Another one in whom I can trust would be Zowie Bowie himself, Duncan Jones. I don't think he'll be against it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm still thinking that IX will be done by Bird, as he preps up The Incredibles 2. There so much time before IX that a director can even work on another movie before hand.

Another potential candidate is Alfonso Cuaron, who is staying on the down low for a while. He clams though, that he doesn't want to do another big VFX type movie for a while, but we'll see.

I'm still sticking to my guns and say that Colin Treverrow has that Boba Fett spinoff. I think it needs to be directed by someone who grew up with Star Wars, especially when dealing with Boba Fett, you can't just give it to anyone. Trank had the talent and he was of the right age to appreciate Fett, but he screwed up. But I thin
k Colin fits the criteria like Trank and Edwards.

 

[flickchick85]

I think Bird can do 'dark'. Another one in whom I can trust would be Zowie Bowie himself, Duncan Jones. I don't think he'll be against it.

Seeing how he handles Warcraft will be a good barometer for me on whether or not he'd do well with Star Wars.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm still in the mindset that this new trilogy will be seen as the Daniel Craig era of Star Wars: Modern and respectful to the past.

So what would the Prequels be then? Roger Moore of course. Im talking about A View to a Kill..Moonraker Moore. Not very flattering.

 

[flickchick85]

I really hope that analogy pans out.

 

[Gianakin_]

LOL, these guys (plus Rian Johnson) were my top picks for Star Wars to begin with, so basically I love everything you're saying. t:

Same here. Add to that Duncan Jones, whom Octoberist also just mentioned. I'm pretty happy so far.

 

[Octoberist]

Seeing how he handles Warcraft will be a good barometer for me on whether or not he'd do well with Star Wars.

Yeah, it's hard to say. I get excited when Jones said that Warcraft will be like Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones. Then he would bring up Avatar, and I would go 'grrr'.