James Bond In Skyfall - Part 10

[Bruce Malone]

I would argue the only true "out of continuity" or cannon bond film is never say never again.

Btw how do most bond fans view that film now? I've heard arguments that is was actually better than octopussy released the same year. I haven't seen either of them myself.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Personally, I'd say Octopussy is bad and Never Say Never again was worse. It's a pointless movie, especially when you have Thunderball. Also, they could have taken more liberties with the story than they originally had. If I had a free pass to make a Bond movie with Sean Connery (even though he's old), you could have done more than make a few references about his age among other things.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

So I just watched On Her Majesty's Secret Service for the first time in a long time.

I'm really surprised how much I honestly loved this. Been years since I've seen it and I honestly think this would be in my top 5 Bond films. The story, cinematography, action and music are absolutely top notch and it features a surprisingly touching romance (not as great as Bond and Vesper though). Tracy and Blofeld are quite memorable as well.

Unfortunately, Lazenby is easily the worst Bond there is. He deadpans his lines and sounds bored most of the time, pulling off a poor impersonation of Connery's Bond. He handles the action pretty well though and his Sir Hilary performance is much more enjoyable (which is actually a bad thing really). If Sean were in the role in this film, we'd be looking at a 5 star Bond film, possibly even one of the best Bond films in history. Of course, I do think it is one of the best Bond films, but with Sean, I'm sure everyone else would think the same as well.

 

[DKDetective]

What's interesting about some of the reviews I've read is that if you want to image Craig's Bond not being a semi-reboot at all, chronologically you can place 'Casino Royale' and 'QoS' before 'Dr. No' and loosely pit 'Skyfall' sometime after 'Die Another Day'.

It's just a fun little theory.

That's an interesting theory but it could be ruined if Wright's Felix Leiter returns in future Craig installments physically intact. In LTK, Leiter lost some limbs to a shark, which is why I assume Jack Wade replaced him as Bond's CIA contact from Goldeneye onwards. So the return of an intact Leiter would mess up the continuity of such a timeline.

 

[Octoberist]

That's an interesting theory but it could be ruined if Wright's Felix Leiter returns in future Craig installments physically intact. In LTK, Leiter lost some limbs to a shark, which is why I assume Jack Wade replaced him as Bond's CIA contact from Goldeneye onwards. So the return of an intact Leiter would mess up the continuity of such a timeline.

Maybe 'Felix Leiter' could be a codename. JK

 

[Octoberist]

So I'm watching GoldenEye and I'm wondering: Why did they hire Joe Don Baker to play Jack Wade when he played one of the main villains in 'The Living Daylights'?

Was his casting an homage of the tradition of using the same actors playing different characters? (The actress who played Octopussy was also in Thunderball) But it's a lot more distracting this time around due to being more modern..

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I honestly just think they didn't give a s**t.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

By the way, the only thing I think that's overrated about Goldfinger is the theme. By the end of that song, I'm borderline frustrated by the stupid lyrics and occasionally over the top singing.

 

[Octoberist]

By the way, the only thing I think that's overrated about Goldfinger is the theme. By the end of that song, I'm borderline frustrated by the stupid lyrics and occasionally over the top singing.

I think Shirley was better in 'Diamonds Are Forever'.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I think Shirley was better in 'Diamonds Are Forever'.

Oh hell yes. I must say Diamonds are Forever is my favourite theme.

 

[Octoberist]

I would argue the only true "out of continuity" or cannon bond film is never say never again.

Btw how do most bond fans view that film now? I've heard arguments that is was actually better than octopussy released the same year. I haven't seen either of them myself.

Octopussy was bad but also kinda charming and fun in a B-movie kind of way. It's also a mishandled movie because they initially didn't want to use Moore again but didn't want a new Bond to compete against 'Never's Connery.

Also I don't know where to place Octopussy with the other Bond films; it's just there. At least 'A View to a Kill' stands out because of Walken, Jones, Duran Duran, and an absurdly aging Moore.

On the other hand Never Say Never Again was aiming higher but fell hard. Even the worse EON Bond movies still had the Bond theme and gun barrel to keep things steady. Plus it had the worst Bond song with its generic soft rock.

 

[spidey-dude]

you cant place CR and QoS at the beginning and Skyfall after DAD it doesnt fit.... trust me

 

[chamber-music]

I've heard critics comparing Skyfall to Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight which I didn't expect.

I like what I've heard about seeing more sides to Bond in Skyfall and him being even more vunerable than he was in Casion Royale.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Comparing it to my favourite film is a good thing to me. Amps up my already amped excitement.

 

[The Englishman]

Do we get to see Bonds flat in the film. Also is he still wearing Tom Ford suits?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Exactly. **** the code name ********.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Always hated the code name theory too. It's clearly one guy. It's too early in DC's career as Bond to reference the other events because those came later, but it's still the same guy.

 

[Gianakin_]

What Oberon said. ***** *** *********** **. *.

 

[Roose Bolton]

****

 

[marvelrobbins]

The code name theory doesn't work.

Dr No through Die Another Day should be viewed as a loose countiuty.Like 616 Marvel universe or dc universe before multipe earths.Bond was kinda timeless character.Dr No,from russia with Love,and then Thunderball though Diamonds are forever are all connected.The Spy who Loved Me makes slight
reference to OHMSS.Blofeld was In precredit of For your eyes only.While for legal reasons It couldn't be Identified as Blofeld but we all know It was.
The Living daylights has General Gogal and mInster of defense characters from Roger Moore era films.Licence to Kill makes very slight refence to OHMSS.
Both Goldeneye and The World Is Not enough also hints at OHMSS and Bond's brief marriage.

With Casino Royale they threw any contunity the series out the door.everything of Dr no through Die Another day Is out the door.The films are now the ultimate version of Bond.Felix Leiter Is now black.There Is no way you can go from Leiter In QoS to Leiter In dr No.Judi Dench as M makes no sense.In Bronsnan era she was post cold war appointe at MI6 and In casino Royale she Is suspose to he holdover from Cold war.She can't be the same M In all 7 of her films.

From reviews It doesn't seem like Bond has changed a whole lot from QoS to Skyfall It's just he Is more a veteran now.They apparently just added a bit more humor and have him as womanizer a bit more.

dr No through die Another Day should be viewed as one series and Casino Royale on should be viewed as different series.That Is about the only way
you can view It.

 

[Slushy]

Well, according to 007 Legends, the new continuity is

Casino Royale
Quantum Of Solace
Goldeneye
Goldfinger
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
License To Kill
Die Another Day
Moonraker
Skyfall

would you guys recommend / do you think it's necessary to watch Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace prior to Skyfall to be refreshed and in case the stories link in some way?

I say watch both because by the time we get to Skyfall, Bond's character arc will be complete.

Btw how do most bond fans view that film now? I've heard arguments that is was actually better than octopussy released the same year. I haven't seen either of them myself.

Its an inferior remake of Thunderball, but Sean Connery gives a great performance. He makes up for Diamonds Are Forever where he just didn't give a sh**.

So I'm watching GoldenEye and I'm wondering: Why did they hire Joe Don Baker to play Jack Wade when he played one of the main villains in 'The Living Daylights'?

Same reason why Charles Gray played Dikko Henderson and Blofeld. Or Maud Adams played Andrea Anders and Octopussy. Whoever made the casting decision suck because for the record, I hate it when an actor plays two different roles in the same show / series.

 

[redhawk23]

Marvelrobbins,
Is there any particular pattern to how you choose whether or not to capitalize words?

Also I don't think anyone was really claiming that Casino Royale onwards shared continuity with the other films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well, according to 007 Legends, the new continuity is

Casino Royale
Quantum Of Solace
Goldeneye
Moonraker
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Die Another Day
License To Kill
Goldfinger
Skyfall

But that doesn't make any sense.You can't watch the films like that.

I really don't like them turning other actors films Into video games feathuring Danial Craig.That's like redoing all bond films In games with Sean Connery's
likeness.Or Imagne If they redid from Goldfinger,Ohmss,Moonraker,and Licence to kill In 2000/2001 with Pierce Borosnan's likeness and voice.

I don't really like idea of 007 legends.Since they rebooted Bond they should be doing original Bond Ideas for video games with Craig's bond not using old films which Craig's films have no Contunity with.

 

[The Joker]

Same reason why Charles Gray played Dikko Henderson and Blofeld. Or Maud Adams played Andrea Anders and Octopussy. Whoever made the casting decision suck because for the record, I hate it when an actor plays two different roles in the same show / series.

Yeah, I think Charles Gray's recasting was the worst because his Blofeld was awful and looked completely different to Pleasance and Savalas.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Charles Gray was terrable as Blofeld.What were Broccolli and Saltzman thinking.After doing 2 films In a row with bald blofeld He now has hair andhe was weak compared to other 2 blofelds.