James Bond In Skyfall - - - Part 12

[FilmNerdJamie]

I didn't mind the character. He's just another in a long line of Bond sidekicks. We'll never see Kincaid again, of course...

 

[CConn]

Except most of Bond's sidekicks aren't nearly as contrived.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nope. Putting Connery in that role is too distracting. Terrible idea and Finney did great.



The Scotland line? That originates back to Fleming who incorporated a Scotland heritage for Bond after seeing Dr. No. All they did was, in fact, acknowledge that continuity.

%100 agree. While watching the film it thought about just that and I thought it would just be too distracting. Also, Finny was awesome.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Except most of Bond's sidekicks aren't nearly as contrived.

Sure they are. Chief among them, Sheriff JW Pepper. Kincaid was fine.

Now you're just being silly.

 

[CConn]

Pepper was a spoof in a movie filled with spoofs, satires, and trope-theft. Skyfall played itself off as something more legitimate.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Pepper was in two films. Neither of which were spoofs. Bad movies, definitely.

 

[CConn]

Live and Let Die very much was. It was a James Bond movie pretending to be a Blaxploitation film.

And Moore always viewed playing Bond as a partially satirical/comedic endeavor. Again, a totally different tone and purpose from what Skyfall was.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Moore's films were silly at times and very comic-book. But satirical?!? Hardly. That would suggest the humor was smart and aiming high.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You can fail at satire. Though it is irrelevant as Moore's films weren't satire, they were just horrible.

 

[CConn]

Oh, I see. You're getting hung up on a difference of verbiage.

My point is this:

Live and Let Die was "silly". Pepper was also "silly". So they fit together quite nicely.

Skyfall was meant to be all serious and powerful and emotional. Kincaid, I felt, was silly. Which didn't fit.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

Putting Connery in that role is too distracting.

Or it could have been awesome like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

The Scotland line?

As soon as an old Scottish guy in a beard shows-up in a Bond film, people's immediate thought is Sean Connery. I think the filmmakers must have been aware of that. They could have cast a leaner actor or someone without a beard or even an actor who isn't from Connery's generation. But they chose all those things and the mind suddenly turns to Connery. Which is why so many people have brought up this subject. Maybe here it's the first time, I don't know, but when I saw it in theaters, people brought it up. In other message boards, people have brought it up. Kincade has a major Connery vibe and it's undeniable.

 

[CConn]

Also, I should say, I absolutely love Live and Let Die for what it is. It's pretty hilarious.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

You can fail at satire. Though it is irrelevant as Moore's films weren't satire, they were just horrible.

The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are great and I am partial to Octopussy and Moonraker...has its moments. But yeah most of his reign is awful.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh, I see. You're getting hung up on a difference of verbiage.

My point is this:

Live and Let Die was "silly". Pepper was also "silly". So they fit together quite nicely.

Skyfall was meant to be all serious and powerful and emotional. Kincaid, I felt, was silly. Which didn't fit.

Pepper wasn't and Moore's films weren't simply silly. They were also horrible.

 

[Bruce Malone]

You know I re-watched DAD just recently after not seeing it for quite some time (as i had little motivation to) and i was surprised to remember that for the first 1/3rd or half of the movie maybe it was actually pretty good.

It actually had the makings of a very decent bond film but around the time jinx was introduced and we get to the main villain it was all downhill from there. Which was a big shame, i don't know what they were thinking?

 

[CConn]

The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are great and I am partial to Octopussy and Moonraker...has its moments. But yeah most of his reign is awful.

I found TSWLM to be little more than all of the best parts of Connery's movies mashed together. Plus I found Moore's chemistry with what's her name to be pretty lackluster, which was an aspect that could've really made or broke the movie.

For Your Eyes Only was better, but it honestly looked like it was a 2-hour 80s TV special.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are great and I am partial to Octopussy and Moonraker...has its moments. But yeah most of his reign is awful.

I can watch more of them and I can find something to like about most of them, but I don't find any of them to be anything other then mediocre. FYEO has the best intentions though.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are great and I am partial to Octopussy and Moonraker...has its moments. But yeah most of his reign is awful.

Aside from Moonraker I completely agree with this sentiment. But still, Moore with his two great Bond films is better than Brosnan with his one.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Skyfall was meant to be all serious and powerful and emotional. Kincaid, I felt, was silly. Which didn't fit.

He's Bond's linkage to his old life. To his home (the title of the movie), his parents, that great moment telling M the night he told him his parents were dead. "When he finally came out of hiding, he wasn't a boy anymore."

How is that silly? Because he gave a couple of one-liners?

 

[CConn]

I'd take Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies over any of the Moore movies, personally.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'd take GoldenEye over the later 3 Connery Movies even, but I still think Moore had a better run than Brosnan.

 

[CConn]

He's Bond's linkage to his old life. To his home (the title of the movie), his parents, that great moment telling M the night he told him his parents were dead. "When he finally came out of hiding, he wasn't a boy anymore."

How is that silly? Because he gave a couple of one-liners?

One liners, I found the overall scruffiness of the character to be rather silly and trite, and the character immediately got people thinking/talking about Connery...which I would've preferred they had avoided.

 

[Liam_H]

You know I re-watched DAD just recently after not seeing it for quite some time (as i had little motivation to) and i was surprised to remember that for the first 1/3rd or half of the movie maybe it was actually pretty good.

It actually had the makings of a very decent bond film but around the time jinx was introduced and we get to the main villain it was all downhill from there. Which was a big shame, i don't know what they were thinking?

Lots of people agree to this and I'm one of them. Great opening that is wasted.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You know I re-watched DAD just recently after not seeing it for quite some time (as i had little motivation to) and i was surprised to remember that for the first 1/3rd or half of the movie maybe it was actually pretty good.

It actually had the makings of a very decent bond film but around the time jinx was introduced and we get to the main villain it was all downhill from there. Which was a big shame, i don't know what they were thinking?

I use to feel the same, but after watching it again during my marathon, I think the impeding awfulness elevates the first part of the film more then it deserves. It is definitely better, but I don't find it particularly good.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'd take GoldenEye over the later 3 Connery Movies even, but I still think Moore had a better run than Brosnan.

You included Thunderball and are thus speaking falsehoods. t:

Except most of Bond's sidekicks aren't nearly as contrived.

Depends on who is writing them. I can't think of one Bond girl or sidekick is isn't completely contrived before CR.