James Bond In Skyfall - Part 3

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Golgo-13 said:
I HATED that too. That whole sequence where they were tracking the money just felt forced, and was moreso about showing off the technology than advancing the plot.
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There wasn't much plot to advance.
 
Nuffsaid said:
There wasn't much plot to advance.
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Quantum was somewhat light on story due to the writers' strike, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as all that. It had plenty of story for most movies, it just wasn't as dense as Bond movies normally are.
 
Keyser Sushi said:
Look, I agree with you that Blackheart is being a goofball by doing that, however...you're wrong when you say that nobody's going to think of a woman's private parts. EVERYBODY thinks of a woman's private parts when they see the word "Octopussy," and that's kind of the point. Ian Fleming always included sex and sexiness in the Bond books (in Dr. No, Honey Ryder came out of the water bare-ass naked but for a belt with a dagger in it, and her mask and swim fins). And don't go pretending that names like Honey Ryder and ***** Galore aren't glaringly obvious double-entendres.

And THAT's the reason why Blackheart is asterisking Octopussy. I don't think it bears asterisking, but then I'm not big on censorship to begin with. I just want to be clear that you're making it out to be more innocent than it is, underreacting where Blackheart is overreacting.
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Yes, Fleming injected a dose of sexuality into all his books, but that isn't the context here. People aren't using "Octopussy" like some schoolboy who's just discovered the word and keeps giggling over it because of its connotation and wants to keep repeating it for a laugh. People are using it casually in passing merely as a means to reference the film. What else are you going to call it?

It's like the word "penis". Pupils might laugh about it in school. But do you think a bunch of medical students studying human anatomy are going to keep laughing about it or saying "ooh, the lecturer said penis" when, not only is it a technical term, but also becomes commonplace and the only way in which you can refer to that part of the male?

What I'm saying is that people aren't going to keep thinking of that everytime you mention the film in passing on these boards, eg when you're just talking about Roger Moore's performance in it, or listing a top or bottom 10. The main focus ihas been on how good they thought Moore was in it and whether he should've left the role by then. I bet half the people here when typing it didn't give the word a second thought because they were thinking how to articulate their thoughts on that particular film - just like I wouldn't have given the word "sex" a second thought in this reply, whereas for some people when they're young, when they've just discovered that word and the whole concept, it becomes almost some kind of taboo thing to say.

Yes, if you concentrate on the word Octopussy or just think about it alone, you'll think of a woman's privates, but what I'm saying is in its context it has been used in this thread, it's something that is easy to gloss over without becoming fixated on the sexual aspect. It's not going to suddenly stop people in their tracks and derail the conversation, as if people suddenly see the word ***** and have sex on the brain and can't get past that or back to what they were discussing. My point was that Blackheart almost seems like he can't get past the word and by asterisking it, draws more attention to it. The title "Octopussy" is something established and accepted, without fearing that the ***** bit is going to offend. No-one ever censors that word. It's not the same as, say, Austin Powers 2, where you do sometimes get TV guides or magazines writing it as "the Spy who S****** me".
 
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Dark Raven said:
Yes, Fleming injected a dose of sexuality into all his books, but that isn't the context here. People aren't using "Octopussy" like some schoolboy who's just discovered the word and keeps giggling over it because of its connotation and wants to keep repeating it for a laugh. People are using it casually in passing merely as a means to reference the film. What else are you going to call it?

It's like the word "penis". Pupils might laugh about it in school. But do you think a bunch of medical students studying human anatomy are going to keep laughing about it or saying "ooh, the lecturer said penis" when, not only is it a technical term, but also becomes commonplace and the only way in which you can refer to that part of the male?

What I'm saying is that people aren't going to keep thinking of that everytime you mention the film in passing on these boards, eg when you're just talking about Roger Moore's performance in it, or listing a top or bottom 10. The main focus ihas been on how good they thought Moore was in it and whether he should've left the role by then. I bet half the people here when typing it didn't give the word a second thought because they were thinking how to articulate their thoughts on that particular film - just like I wouldn't have given the word "sex" a second thought in this reply, whereas for some people when they're young, when they've just discovered that word and the whole concept, it becomes almost some kind of taboo thing to say.

Yes, if you concentrate on the word or just think about it alone, you'll think of a woman's privates, but what I'm saying is in its context it has been used in this thread, it's something that is easy to gloss over without becoming fixated on the sexual aspect. It's not going to suddenly stop people in their tracks and derail the conversation, as if people suddenly see the word ***** and have sex on the brain and can't get past that or back to what they were discussing. My point was that Blackheart almost seems like he can't get past the word and by asterisking it, draws more attention to it. The title "Octopussy" is something established and accepted, without fearing that the ***** bit is going to offend. No-one ever censors that word. It's not the same as, say, Austin Powers 2, where you do sometimes get TV guides or magazines writing it as "the Spy who S****** me".
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Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I just didn't quite connect with the way you said it before, I guess.
 
Nuffsaid said:
There wasn't much plot to advance.
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The movie was just one big :doh: to me. I hate when some make the excuse for it's lackluster execution by saying you have to look at it as the second half of CR, as opposed to a film all by itself. Yes, it was a direct sequel to CR, but they did a shoddy job at it. Hell, even the pre-title sequence shows the film makers lack of attention to detail, by having Bond wearing different clothing at the beginning of QoS, than he had on at the end of CR.

They seemed to just want to throw in any and every action sequence they could think of; we had a boat chase, a car chase, an airplane chase, a foot chase, Bond on a bike, Bond in a firey Liar, the only thing that was missing was a ski chase, and something involving a damn train!:doh:
 
regwec said:
Which was the sort of thing the reboot was supposed to get us away from.
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And Craig even had his own "Embarrassing CGI" scene

His face looked so fake when he was free falling out of the cargo plane
 
Golgo-13 said:
Hell, even the pre-title sequence shows the film makers lack of attention to detail, by having Bond wearing different clothing at the beginning of QoS, than he had on at the end of CR.
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As unfortunate as that was, they were kind of forced into it when they went with a different suit designer for QoS. They couldn't use the suit from CR because it was made by a different designer. It was less about attention to detail and more about business.

I'm not saying that makes it better, but it was something the producers did and the director probably had no say in it at all.
 
Golgo-13 said:
They seemed to just want to throw in any and every action sequence they could think of; we had a boat chase, a car chase, an airplane chase, a foot chase, Bond on a bike, Bond in a firey Liar, the only thing that was missing was a ski chase, and something involving a damn train!
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The interesting thing is that most of those action scenes occur within the first 30 minutes. Afterwards, the film settles down and gets pretty good. But by then, they had lost the audience.
 
Gold Samurai said:
And Craig even had his own "Embarrassing CGI" scene

His face looked so fake when he was free falling out of the cargo plane
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I remember reading that they filmed the free fall scene in studio above a big fan to create a realistic look. I don't think his face was cgi'd.
 
Yeah, i don't think his face nor Olga's was cg in that scene. The background was cg.
 
Parker Wayne said:
This. I still have a soft spot for live LALD. I think its a good Bond movie, despite me being occur on Moore's performance. He did have some badass moments in it which makes up a little.
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Thankfully, all the Bond's have had good debut films.

Moore was cool in LALD. That moment you had in your avvy a while ago was a badass moment.
 
I should bring that one back. :woot:

Favorite part of the movie too. I wish he pulled the trigger on rosie carver.
 
Moore's Bond certainly had the most unorthodox vehicles for chases between the double decker bus, the Citroen, the fire engine, the Gondola and the rickshaw.
 
The skydiving scene in Moonraker looked a million times better (partly because some of it was real) than the one in QoS which was just flat out piss poor.

Not to mention the parachute opening a second before they touched the ground yet none of them had a single serious injury. Pffft.

That scene really took me out of the movie all the way up until the end.
 
The parachute sequence was a giant facepalm.
 
Speakng of office who's to say they just had a remodel of mi6 offices between cr and qos.
 
Would be a pretty quick remodel considering the time between CR's ending and the beginning of QoS.
 
one of the most incredible cgi moments in CR is one in the shower with vesper..
normally when they filmed it craig had 3 fingers with blood in vespers mouth..
they completely cgi´d his hand and all involving stuff to the one finger version..

its incredible that its so unrecognizable...
 
Where did you read/see this? And why did it have to be altered in the first place?
 
The name Remy Julien used to be associated with a number of the Bond car stunts. The stunts in QOS weren't very spectacular or memorable. We need to get back to the days of record breaking stunts that push the boundaries.
 
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