James Bond In Skyfall - Part 3

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The Connery movies are not just classic Bond films. They're classic films in themselves, especially the first three. You could watch them not even for the action (although there is plenty of action there) but just for the story or the style or the whole 60s feel.

I'm glad we're getting more European Bond girls recently instead of American ones. The European Bond girls give the films that classic feel. Berenice Marlohe adds to that.

I like the original Connery movies because they are all pretty faithful to the Fleming novels except they are out of order and certain things are changed. Plus they never got to adapt Casino Royale until decades later.

I wish Connery did Casino Royale and OHMSS. I would trade Diamonds Are Forever for a Connery Casino Royale (but not CR at the end of Connery's run. It would've been before Dr No).
 
Thank you very much guys, I've been trying to get into the Bond films for so long. Finally I've got the time to watch, experience, and enjoy all of them.
 
I don't get it either. The character was nice for the Blofeld trilogy and was the cause of some of the greatest growth in Bond's character .... but he is dead. Bond strangled the crap out of him in LALD, did it with his own hands for Tracy. No coming back from that, unless you count 3 books by Gardner that brought back the organization, but with a new leader.

I think the fact that there never really was a satisfying on-screen conclusion to the Blofeld character is why people keep wanting him back. DAF was a poor film and what they did in FYEO was good, but not good enough.
 
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When it comes to the James Bond films, each actor's era is very different than the rest.

Connery era: This era is hailed by many as the best of the bunch. It is classic, fresh, exciting, and all around damn good, with the exception of "Diamonds are Forever" and "You Only Live Twice." It's always difficult to best the original.

Lazenby era: It's hard to call one film an "era," but Lazenby did have his own flavor as Bond. "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is a good film, but does have it's flaws. It tries to stand with the Connery canon, but really is a separate entity.

Moore era: The era that went on the longest is, in my opinion, the worst. The Bond films were turned in to campy schlock with Moore prancing about as a smarmy caricature of 007. Bad pun and stupidity abound, these films are all very weak and annoying, and stray furthest from Fleming's idea of Bond.

Dalton: Dalton's two Bond films were the first to take the gritty, more realistic and somewhat dark route. Dalton was suave, brutal, and awesome. These films were, however, before their time, thus the poor reception.

Brosnan: After experimenting with a more mature and realistic Bond, EON returned to the Moore formula of camp and tomfoolery. With the exception of "GoldenEye," which I think is one of the best Bond films, this era is on the same low level as Moore's.

Craig: It was apparent that Bond needed an edge for the 2000s. Craig's casting was controversial and a radical departure from all who came before, but it paid off. Craig is definitely the most physically capable and imposing Bond actor to date, and while a raw machine for action, he is also a cool and cunning spy. I also believe Craig's Bond is closest to the Bond of Fleming's canon.

Connery and Craig are very different Bonds in very different iterations of character, so it is hard to say one is better than the other. But it is easy to say that they are the best of the bunch. All of the eras have their merits, with some good films sprinkled in with the bad, but with CR and QoS, and soon SkyFall, Bond films have been reenergized, matured, and retooled to create a fresh and exciting franchise out of one that almost died many times over a record-holding span of time.
 
I liked You Only Live Twice. The only thing I didn't like in that movie was when Bond pretended to be Japanese which is ridiculous even for a Bond movie.

I totally agree about Roger Moore's Bond though. They are like Camp parodies. The only Roger Moore movie I like is Live And Let Die and thats because its the least camp movie he made. I can't imagine a hick Sherriff being in the other Bond actors movies.

Dalton was underrated. I really liked Licence To Kill despite it being like a extened episode of Miami Vice at times. I think its the best of the 'Bond gone rogue' movies that pop up every now and again.

Goldeneye is one of my favourite Bond movies of all time. The World Is Not Enough is Brosnans second best Bond movie the other two are forgettable.
 
I liked You Only Live Twice as well. I would've preferred Connery made OHMSS to DAF though.

I agree that Dalton was very underrated. It would've been great if he had been in his prime now and got to make CR or followed up from Craig. Although Craig is a radical departure in terms of looks, in terms of his acting and general tone, he's kind of like Dalton 2.0. If Dalton had played Bond now, he probably would've been more accepted. The problem with him at the time is that everyone wanted Pierce Brosnan, because he was already about to step into the role with The Living Daylights, but then Remington Steele was renewed for another season because of the publicity.

I don't mind the Moore era. I tend to look at it as its own entity. However, I prefer the later entries from The Spy Who Loved Me. Not that fond of LALD or TMWTGG, especially the scenes with the sherrif.

I personally think the Brosnan era is the weakest and the most bland and over-commercialised. It is the most cliche ridden, as if Brosnan is trying to hit all the beats. He even admits he's a pastiche Bond. I wouldn't say it is Moore camp though, because Brosnan can't decide one way or another what kind of Bond he should be. He's trying to be Connery but is actually more like Moore. Brosnan trying to be dark and dangerous is a bit laughable at times. He should play to his strengths.

Goldeneye isn't bad though and the best of the Brosnan movies. However, I would've loved to have seen Dalton in that. It is probably the least Brosnan-like of the Brosnan era, since some of it does seem more suited to Dalton.

The BMW in the Brosnan movies kind of fits with the era: boring yet efficient. He did have the invisible Aston Martin in Die Another Day (which is the worst Bond movie of all time IMO), but that was a bit over the top. They should've given him another BMW just to round off the era since it would be more fitting. No sense in wasting a car on a bad movie.
 
Goldeneye had the of the best villains in the series IMO, that personal conflict between Trevelyan and Bond was amazing. I can't recall a bad guy who totally knew Bond and used it against him as effectively, that, along with Sean Bean's brilliant performance created an astounding villain and an overall great movie.
 
I see them as two completely different timelines because they are so different and in a very different order, I can't find any middle ground. Blofeld escaped in the movie version of YOLT and the version killed in FYEO was not officially Blofeld.

"Officially" its:

Diamonds Are Forever is a "loose" sequel to You Only Live Twice as they recognized and ignored OHMSS in the same film.

For Your Eyes Only is a sequel to On Her Majesty's Secret Service as it ignores You Only Live Twice.


And while they couldn't legally use the Blofeld name due to that pr*ck Kevin McClory, it was unofficially "Blofeld". A bald guy with his face hidden with a white Persian cat. I mean COME ON!

I think the fact that there never really was a satisfying on-screen conclusion to the Blofeld character is why people keep wanting him back. DAF was a poor film and what they did in FYEO was good, but not good enough.

The smokestack death was satisfying enough. Much better than the lame boiling mud / submarine explosion "deaths".
 
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I think in FYEO it might've actually been Professor X: bald guy in a wheelchair. :cwink:
 
People give Moore a little less credit than he deserves. People focus on his meandering run as Bond and not overlook what he actually did do well as Bond. TSWLM his Bond is pretty damn great. He gives a charm and sense of humor to Bond that's very apparant in TSWLM. Just those little moments in the van with Anya are terrific.

He's also pretty cold. When he interoggates the dude by holding him by the tie from the building then drops him even when he gives him the information. That's ****ing cold right there, and Bond. His scene with Anya when she finds out he killed her lover is great acting as well. Plus shooting Stromberg in the balls was probably one of the greatest Bond villain deaths ever.
 
People give Moore a little less credit than he deserves. People focus on his meandering run as Bond and not overlook what he actually did do well as Bond. TSWLM his Bond is pretty damn great. He gives a charm and sense of humor to Bond that's very apparant in TSWLM. Just those little moments in the van with Anya are terrific.

He's also pretty cold. When he interoggates the dude by holding him by the tie from the building then drops him even when he gives him the information. That's ****ing cold right there, and Bond. His scene with Anya when she finds out he killed her lover is great acting as well. Plus shooting Stromberg in the balls was probably one of the greatest Bond villain deaths ever.

Don't forget how he kicked Locque's car off the edge of the cliff in cold blood in For Yor Eyes Only.

Moore's antics could be seen as a facade he wears to hide the pain of losing his wife and the pain of having killed so many people. He temporarily dropped his jovial nature when Anya probed too far about his wife and touched a nerve in TSWLM.
 
Don't forget how he kicked Locque's car off the edge of the cliff in cold blood in For Yor Eyes Only.

Moore's antics could be seen as a facade he wears to hide the pain of losing his wife and the pain of having killed so many people. He temporarily dropped his jovial nature when Anya probed too far about his wife and touched a nerve in TSWLM.

Haven't seen Your Eyes Only. Is that good?

But yeah, his performance was well balanced in TSWLM. He was cold, suave, and humorous, without getting to the campy side. He was his own Bond. You have to give him that.
 
Well, the cold/ruthless moments of Moore's Bond are the exception - I think they've all been named just there - but he is terrific in The Spy Who Loved Me, for sure.
 
Which is what people overlook. When they're done, it's great. I wish there was more of that.
 
I just don't find Roger Moore threatening as Bond he had too much of the upper class gentlemen about him and he was too old to be believable as a good fighter by the time he got the role.

I liked Roger Moore in the Saint and the Persuaders thought.

Connery could be charming but you also he could be dangerous and imtimidating (Sean Connery famously once knocked out mob enforcer Johnny Stompanato after he pulled a gun on him on a film set in the 1950s)
 
My friends and I once met this old guy in a pub in Glasgow who used to drink with Sean Connery on occasion, he said he was a big thicko who got by on his looks, haha.
I guess when he is in the media spotlight he goes to great pains to appear as intelligent as possible.
 
As campy as he is, Roger Moore is the Bond i grew up with, and love the most.
 
Haven't seen Your Eyes Only. Is that good?

Humor is kept to a minimum.

-The action is great

-The opening song is a classic

-Beautiful leading lady

-Moore at his most serious.


It's a shame Moore thought of the James Bond character as a parody. More serious scenes were needed during his era.
 
I remember seeing Moore when I was young in the psychological thriller "The Man Who Haunted Himself." Moore gave a much more serious performance in there too, and I even thought at one point that it was a James Bond movie before I had watched any of his films. He's far darker than in Bond. Actually, a few of his other roles have been more serious and he's seemed tougher - eg Northsea Hijack.

Here's the finale of The Man Who Haunted Himself:

[YT][YT]xUHd_eOju9s[/YT][/YT]

And the trailer:

[YT]qFxVWaDdNII[/YT]
 
TSWLM and FYEO are definitely Moore's best two outings as Bond.
 
The Connery movies are not just classic Bond films. They're classic films in themselves, especially the first three. You could watch them not even for the action (although there is plenty of action there) but just for the story or the style or the whole 60s feel.

Ditto. The early Connery films are great because there was a sense of excitement unpredictability since the formula hadn't settled in yet. I could watch From Russia With Love over and over again.

Wish I had been around in the early 60's to see the first few Bond films when they opened. It must have been a real treat to see something so fresh and unique on the big screen at the time.



I think the fact that there never really was a satisfying on-screen conclusion to the Blofeld character is why people keep wanting him back. DAF was a poor film and what they did in FYEO was good, but not good enough.

Me feeling on Blofeld is that while I loved elements of Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalis's portrayals I never thought the character reached his full potential on film. I hope he returns in the Craig films because with the approach these movies are taking could be rectified.



Dalton was underrated. I really liked Licence To Kill despite it being like a extened episode of Miami Vice at times. I think its the best of the 'Bond gone rogue' movies that pop up every now and again.

Goldeneye is one of my favourite Bond movies of all time. The World Is Not Enough is Brosnans second best Bond movie the other two are forgettable.

Like someone else said Dalton was 20 years too soon. If he did the same thing now things may have been different. While he didn't show the humor of Moore or even Connery he had his own talents in the role. I think Dalton was right to steer Bond away from that tongue in cheek portrayal but I guess it was too soon after Moore.

Craig's Bond strikes me as a character that blends some of the best elements Connery, Dalton and Lazenby were trying to inject into their portrayals. Dalton's darkness, Connery's macho toughness, and Lazenby's humanity.

Dalton and Lazenby were the first to really show us more of Bond the man instead of Bond the spy. We got to see more the human being underneath the facade. Sure every once in a awhile we saw it with Connery and Moore but it was fleeting.

And Dalton wanted us to know Bond was a spy trained to kill. A man who could be cold blooded when needed. Its something Moore always seemed to have a distaste for in his portrayal of Bond as a gentleman spy. Which he is, but certain times call for certain measures.

Moore's Bond could be heartless at times (the previously mention scene in FYEO) but those moments were few and far between and much of the violence was always followed up with a laugh.



I personally think the Brosnan era is the weakest and the most bland and over-commercialised. It is the most cliche ridden, as if Brosnan is trying to hit all the beats. He even admits he's a pastiche Bond. I wouldn't say it is Moore camp though, because Brosnan can't decide one way or another what kind of Bond he should be. He's trying to be Connery but is actually more like Moore. Brosnan trying to be dark and dangerous is a bit laughable at times. He should play to his strengths.

Goldeneye isn't bad though and the best of the Brosnan movies. However, I would've loved to have seen Dalton in that. It is probably the least Brosnan-like of the Brosnan era, since some of it does seem more suited to Dalton.

The BMW in the Brosnan movies kind of fits with the era: boring yet efficient. He did have the invisible Aston Martin in Die Another Day (which is the worst Bond movie of all time IMO), but that was a bit over the top. They should've given him another BMW just to round off the era since it would be more fitting. No sense in wasting a car on a bad movie.

I agree all the way. GolddenEye is a great film and easily Brosnan's best but after thayt you're right. The films became more generic, more Hollywood, and lost that feeling that used to be unique to the Bond series. Parts of TND and TWINE were lackluster and DAD was almost totally unwatchable.

You're right he tried to blend Connery and Moore without doing their best bits nearly as well. I liked Brosnan a lot as Bond but I wish he had stuck more to what worked for him in Goldeneye. He seemed to have more enthusiasm. I've always leaned more towards what Dalton, Connery, and Craig did as Bond but that doesn't mean I didn't love Moore or Brosnan in their own right. But Brosnan was never as charming as Moore or as cool as Connery. No that he need to copy them but he needed to amp up those elements in his own way and put his own spin on it. He didn't evoke nearly as much excitement and never really put a stamp on his time it the role that made it stand out like some of the others. He wasn't bad. But he didn't etch his portrayal in stone as great either.


Goldeneye had the of the best villains in the series IMO, that personal conflict between Trevelyan and Bond was amazing. I can't recall a bad guy who totally knew Bond and used it against him as effectively, that, along with Sean Bean's brilliant performance created an astounding villain and an overall great movie.

Another reason why GoldenEye was so great. The other Brosnan ere villains didn't come close to Alec Trevelyan. A great performance AND it was a new idea for a bad guy in the Bond series. A rogue Double 0? Bond was basically going against a guy that was his equal in so many ways.



People give Moore a little less credit than he deserves. People focus on his meandering run as Bond and not overlook what he actually did do well as Bond. TSWLM his Bond is pretty damn great. He gives a charm and sense of humor to Bond that's very apparant in TSWLM. Just those little moments in the van with Anya are terrific.

He's also pretty cold. When he interoggates the dude by holding him by the tie from the building then drops him even when he gives him the information. That's ****ing cold right there, and Bond. His scene with Anya when she finds out he killed her lover is great acting as well. Plus shooting Stromberg in the balls was probably one of the greatest Bond villain deaths ever.

Moore's talent was his charm and his sense of humor. His comic timing was impeccable. Nobody could deliver a quip like Moore. I dare say not even Connery. I'm not sure any other Bond could verbally spar with Q the way Moore's did either. A lot of people don't like the wisecracks but I couldn't help but laugh.

Like someone said of Moore's lighter films TSWLM is easily the best. It struck the perfect balance. So much in it was brilliant. The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are my favorite Moore films.
 
I liked You Only Live Twice. The only thing I didn't like in that movie was when Bond pretended to be Japanese which is ridiculous even for a Bond movie.

I totally agree about Roger Moore's Bond though. They are like Camp parodies. The only Roger Moore movie I like is Live And Let Die and thats because its the least camp movie he made. I can't imagine a hick Sherriff being in the other Bond actors movies.

Dalton was underrated. I really liked Licence To Kill despite it being like a extened episode of Miami Vice at times. I think its the best of the 'Bond gone rogue' movies that pop up every now and again.

Goldeneye is one of my favourite Bond movies of all time. The World Is Not Enough is Brosnans second best Bond movie the other two are forgettable.

I grew up watching Moore and for years thought he was the first & only Bond, but now I can't really stand his Bond films except for FYEO (which was the first Bond movie I ever watched, and I love its theme song). Right now I'd still rate Connery as the best Bond, and I'd like to put Craig in the second place but I didn't really like QoS. If Skyfall turns out to be great then Craig gets #2 in my book for sure.
 
Ditto. The early Connery films are great because there was a sense of excitement unpredictability since the formula hadn't settled in yet. I could watch From Russia With Love over and over again.

Wish I had been around in the early 60's to see the first few Bond films when they opened. It must have been a real treat to see something so fresh and unique on the big screen at the time.





Me feeling on Blofeld is that while I loved elements of Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalis's portrayals I never thought the character reached his full potential on film. I hope he returns in the Craig films because with the approach these movies are taking could be rectified.





Like someone else said Dalton was 20 years too soon. If he did the same thing now things may have been different. While he didn't show the humor of Moore or even Connery he had his own talents in the role. I think Dalton was right to steer Bond away from that tongue in cheek portrayal but I guess it was too soon after Moore.

Craig's Bond strikes me as a character that blends some of the best elements Connery, Dalton and Lazenby were trying to inject into their portrayals. Dalton's darkness, Connery's macho toughness, and Lazenby's humanity.

Dalton and Lazenby were the first to really show us more of Bond the man instead of Bond the spy. We got to see more the human being underneath the facade. Sure every once in a awhile we saw it with Connery and Moore but it was fleeting.

And Dalton wanted us to know Bond was a spy trained to kill. A man who could be cold blooded when needed. Its something Moore always seemed to have a distaste for in his portrayal of Bond as a gentleman spy. Which he is, but certain times call for certain measures.

Moore's Bond could be heartless at times (the previously mention scene in FYEO) but those moments were few and far between and much of the violence was always followed up with a laugh.





I agree all the way. GolddenEye is a great film and easily Brosnan's best but after thayt you're right. The films became more generic, more Hollywood, and lost that feeling that used to be unique to the Bond series. Parts of TND and TWINE were lackluster and DAD was almost totally unwatchable.

You're right he tried to blend Connery and Moore without doing their best bits nearly as well. I liked Brosnan a lot as Bond but I wish he had stuck more to what worked for him in Goldeneye. He seemed to have more enthusiasm. I've always leaned more towards what Dalton, Connery, and Craig did as Bond but that doesn't mean I didn't love Moore or Brosnan in their own right. But Brosnan was never as charming as Moore or as cool as Connery. No that he need to copy them but he needed to amp up those elements in his own way and put his own spin on it. He didn't evoke nearly as much excitement and never really put a stamp on his time it the role that made it stand out like some of the others. He wasn't bad. But he didn't etch his portrayal in stone as great either.




Another reason why GoldenEye was so great. The other Brosnan ere villains didn't come close to Alec Trevelyan. A great performance AND it was a new idea for a bad guy in the Bond series. A rogue Double 0? Bond was basically going against a guy that was his equal in so many ways.





Moore's talent was his charm and his sense of humor. His comic timing was impeccable. Nobody could deliver a quip like Moore. I dare say not even Connery. I'm not sure any other Bond could verbally spar with Q the way Moore's did either. A lot of people don't like the wisecracks but I couldn't help but laugh.

Like someone said of Moore's lighter films TSWLM is easily the best. It struck the perfect balance. So much in it was brilliant. The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are my favorite Moore films.

I would also add that David Arnold added to the generic feel of the Brosnan movies. He's also a pastiche composer, and both his version of Tomorrow Never Dies (released as Surrender by KD Lang) and The World Is Not Enough sound more like John Barry homages than actual Bond songs themselves. I don't know if anyone ever came across that album of his, "Shaken and Stirred: The David Arnold James Bond Project". That is a very generic sounding album and contains most of Arnold's musical cues already in there (eg Diamonds Are Forever).

Brosnan, BMWs and David Arnold represent generic and efficient Bond.

Connery, Aston Martins, John Barry and Shirley Bassey represent cool Bond.
 
i got started with the whole bond thing when i saw goldeneye in the theater as a kid.. i loved it so much. still do.
but i remember even then i found the soundtrack from that movie a little bit weird..
if you hear it today its quite ridiculous ^^ ...

i think you could argue forever whats good/bad in case of each actor who played it...

// and for a sidenote, cause someone dissed the sheriff some posts before.. I like that guy very much.
in fact, i'm looking forward for his scenes the minute i decide too watch one of the 2 movies :P
 
"License to Kill" did mediocre business partly because it was released in 1989, alongside "Batman". The former seemed old hat, the latter seemed new and exciting.

Timothy Dalton played Bond very straight, which was probably a conscious move away from Roger Moore's knowing wink. The problem with that is that his Bond was quite underwritten, anyway. It's a very competent performance, but it seems to lack the charisma of Connery or Craig.

Robert Davi was a pretty good villain, I think.
 
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