James Bond In Skyfall - Part 6

[Gianakin_]

I'm aware of that, but even before that piece of casting the general public knew Batman as a light-hearted hero, in the vein of the TV show. Heck, even Donner's script was fairly light-hearted, like STM. Burton came and went even darker and there was wide apprehension.

 

[david icke]

I'm aware of that, but even before that piece of casting the general public knew Batman as a light-hearted hero, in the vein of the TV show. Heck, even Donner's script was fairly light-hearted, like STM. Burton came and went even darker and there was wide apprehension.

Yes, the general public knew of Batman mainly as a light hearted camp tv show, but there was no backlash of any sort from people who wanted a movie like that, no-one asked or wanted a modern movie like that, apart from Adam West, lol.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Seriously, can't get over how stunning and cool this movie looks. I'm drawn right in, just from a few seconds short shots.

Seems like OHMMS will be challenged as the most visually interesting and pleasing Bond-movie.

I still say both of Lewis Gilbert movies (You Only Live Twice and The Spy Who Loved Me) had better cinematography, but I will say that OHMSS is the best directed movie in the series.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yes, the general public knew of Batman mainly as a light hearted camp tv show, but there was no backlash of any sort from people who wanted a movie like that, no-one asked or wanted a modern movie like that, apart from Adam West, lol.

I won't try to argue this, because I admit I don't fully know the details, but my point about B89's relation to Bond still stands.

 

[AnneFan]

The questioning segment at the start could be when he comes back to MI6 after

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'being dead'

- and he's something of a suspect over the

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Terrorist attacks led by Silva

After he's in the clear it could lead to the swimming, firing range and running retraining we see 17 seconds in.

I think:

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M had Silva put away a few years ago. He’s very dangerous and M used him for information with promises of immunity. Then she double-crossed him and put him in a top-security prison. He escapes which leads to a massive revenge attack on MI6 with lives lost. Mallory (Fiennes) reacts that she completely misjudged the situation and this man. Bond finds himself reminded of what she planned for Le Chiffre and agrees with Mallory’s position.

 

[Gianakin_]

I still say both of Lewis Gilbert movies (You Only Live Twice and The Spy Who Loved Me) had better cinematography, but I will say that OHMSS is the best directed movie in the series.

I think OHMSS still wins in my book. I think it's just that Gilbert had more outdoors shots that make the films more visually impressive.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Fair enough. I love the look of all of them. I just loved the Japan scenes in YOLT and the Egypt scenes in TSWLM more.

 

[dark_b]

Out of context, 1-second shots. It's the definition of a teaser.

the goldeneye teaser that he posted is not a normal teaser. it looks like a Bay trailer where cars explode by touching other cars.

 

[david icke]

I won't try to argue this, because I admit I don't fully know the details, but my point about B89's relation to Bond still stands.

Yeah, all I was saying was that there was no public reaction/backlash like you said there was.
But I do agree that the public are ready for a 'dark and brooding' Bond movie, if that is indeed the tone they are going for, it'll still retain the sense of adventure and fun, the producers would stipulate that.
But I think what the poster was saying was that this sense of adventure and fun should also be reflected in the trailer. I haven't seen the trailer, so can't comment.

 

[chamber-music]

Just because the Avengers was successful doesn't mean there isn't a audience for darker toned movies anymore than because The Dark Knight was successful movie audiences didn't want light hearted movies. Thats an over simplistic view.

Movie looks great. As Bond producer Michael G.Wilson said today each Bond represents their time and Craigs Bond represents right now.

 

[Gianakin_]

the goldeneye teaser that he posted is not a normal teaser. it looks like a Bay trailer where cars explode by touching other cars.

Gotcha. Though you were talking about the SF one.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, all I was saying was that there was no public reaction/backlash like you said there was.
But I do agree that the public are ready for a 'dark and brooding' Bond movie, if that is indeed the tone they are going for, it'll still retain the sense of adventure and fun, the producers would stipulate that.
But I think what the poster was saying was that this sense of adventure and fun should also be reflected in the trailer. I haven't seen the trailer, so can't comment.

It's definitely serious in tone, but there is humor and there are explosion and stunt shots. All the main Bond qualities are there.

 

[david icke]

Just because the Avengers was successful doesn't mean there isn't a audience for darker toned movies anymore than because The Dark Knight was successful movie audiences didn't want light hearted movies. Thats an over simplistic view.

What the poster 'Call Me Darkman' was actually saying, was that the trailer needs to show more than 'dark and brooding' to excite the general audience.
People are now mis-reading his point and talking to no-one about some point that was never raised in the first place.

edit: Because if that is all you show in a trailer, the audience will not differentiate it from any other run of the mill dark and brooding man on a mission film.
You need some of that Bond flavour, is what he was saying.

 

[Gianakin_]

What the poster 'Call Me Darkman' was actually saying, was that the trailer needs to show more than 'dark and brooding' to excite the general audience.
People are now mis-reading his point and talking to no-one about some point that was never raised in the first place.

What he was saying was that the trailer should've been "fun" instead of "dark and brooding", which is a bit different. And that's where the tricky part is, because the footage is not exactly brooding. It just has more night shots, but the classic Bond elements (that make the franchise "fun") are there.

 

[david icke]

What he was saying was that the trailer should've been "fun" instead of "dark and brooding", which is a bit different. And that's where the tricky part is, because the footage is not exactly brooding. It just has more night shots, but the classic Bond elements (that make the franchise "fun") are there.

From what I read, he was saying the trailer should have both dark and fun elements, and it was completely lacking in the fun, ie the Bond element that gives people the thrill they expect from this franchise.

 

[Gianakin_]

And I've been replying that it indeed has both. I guess are definitions of fun are different.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I wondered what was in PW's avvy lol, just saw the teaser, it was pretty good, some nice shots as it progressed, the stuff in Shanghai and Bond's ancestral home looks much better than the stuff in England IMO.

 

[david icke]

And I've been replying that it indeed has both. I guess are definitions of fun are different.

I was just clarifying his opinion, because as far as I could see, you mis-interpreted it as him saying it should have all been about the fun, whereas what he was really saying was that it lacked the fun element.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Sets a mood different from the others.

 

[JAK®]

Bond movies should be stylish, but also clinical. People keep forgetting that the stories, at their core, are about a guy just doing his job. Just watch From Russia With Love. Bond doesn't care about the Lecter, it's just his job to get it. Red Grant has nothing personal against Bond, he just has orders to kill him.

So when I watch all these recent movies, that try to get into the mind of Bond, with their moody cinematography and villains with personal vendettas, I just feel like they're missing the point. And I think that audiences agree. The success of Casino Royale is largely because it was based off a Fleming novel. So we had Bond taken back to his roots. We got to see him as a guy at his job again. Then Quantum Of Solace made it personal and we got a boring movie that tried too hard to be gritty and he wasn't even acting as an agent for most of it.

Now I can't speak for Skyfall, as the trailer was a bit vague, but I already know that it is partly about M's past coming back to haunt her, so it seems they are making the same mistake.

 

[Gianakin_]

But from what I hear from poster that know their Bond novels, Fleming has delved into Bond's mind and has done more than once personal/vendetta Bond stories.

 

[bapi]

Looks great! Can't wait to see Shanghai scenes!

 

[The_Raganork]

Now THAT was a trailer.

Christ alive! I'm more than excited for this.

 

[Gianakin_]

Rags!

 

[JAK®]

But from what I hear from poster that know their Bond novels, Fleming has delved into Bond's mind and has done more than once personal/vendetta Bond stories.

But regardless, the way Bond is written in the Fleming novels is from the perspective of an agent. Ian Fleming was an Intelligence Officer, after all.

It's not so much a problem with making it personal as much as it constantly trying to subvert Bond and doing it too heavy-handedly. I actually liked Licence To Kill which was a revenge story, and Goldeneye was decent even though the bad guy was part of Bond's past.

But I miss the mentality of the Connery-era Bond where it was clear that he had a duty and was doing it for his country. Roger Moore nailed it as well. I loved The Spy Who Loved Me because Bond wears his Naval Officer uniform and commands other soldiers at the end.

It's just that every Bond film since 1989 has tried to be all "This time... it's personal" and it's getting old.