The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Jamie Foxx IS Electro - Part 2

[chaseter]

Mine is the second best then.

 

[Majik1387]

Nope.

 

[chaseter]

Yes x infinity

 

[Anno_Domini]

It is pretty hilarious and sadly, it's true.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Actually despite being a fan of TASM, it really is...lol.

 

[Quasimod0]

Not too keen on the idea of electro being the main villain. Or the fact that Jamie foxx is playing him. That's pretty random. Also I had no idea that dude was so "black power" lol just read a quote from him flat out saying that black people are the most talented people in the world. Imagine if a white dude said that. :/ anyway I'm sure he will do well in the role, he's a pretty good actor. Loved him in that movie he did with rdj

 

[Oscorp]

post credit scene: electro is in prison, michael massee appears.

massee: did you tell the boy about his mother?
electro: no.
massee: good, we'll leave him be for now
electro: you should leave him alone!!

then the mr. trololol song starts playing and the credit "DIRECTED BY MARC WEBB" comes up

Oh my God this made me laugh haha!!

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

"Bad guys" could mean bank robbers and car jackers. Not necessarily super villains.

Right. After all, he is still on the hunt for Uncle Ben's killer, and more than likely he's still Pete's number one target. Hopefully we'll get it wrapped up with no connection to a supervillain, or his name being that of a supervillain's.

 

[Vid Electricz]

post credit scene: electro is in prison, michael massee appears.

massee: did you tell the boy about his mother?
electro: no.
massee: good, we'll leave him be for now
electro: you should leave him alone!!

then the mr. trololol song starts playing and the credit "DIRECTED BY MARC WEBB" comes up

omg so perfect. And this will be after another of Peter's friends or loved ones dies on account of him and he still hasn't learned about power/responsibility- but it's okay, they're saving it for the sequel...or the one after that. What a joke this series is.

 

[SM71]

omg so perfect. And this will be after another of Peter's friends or loved ones dies on account of him and he still hasn't learned about power/responsibility- but it's okay, they're saving it for the sequel...or the one after that. What a joke this series is.

So your saying that Cap Stacy died directly because of Peter?

Well by that logic (I'm bringing up batman comparisons with the utmost reluctance) then everyone the Joker killed was directly Batman's fault. Because the Joker from TDK came to existence because of Batman. Batman put on a costume and used theatrics, so Joker did the same. As Gordon said, inflation. Batman was trying to bring order, and Joker rose up to show there can be no order, only chaos.

Events may have unfolded that Peter was involved in, but that doesn't mean his death was his direct fault. Casualties happen. Especially in CBMs. You can't call every death of someone close to Peter in this series the result of him being irresponsible/not learning a lesson

 

[WarriorDreamer]

'Black people are the most talented people in the world.' Haha, the guys isn't afraid of airing is opinions, lol. He should be a great Electro then.

 

[Vid Electricz]

So your saying that Cap Stacy died directly because of Peter?

Well by that logic (I'm bringing up batman comparisons with the utmost reluctance) then everyone the Joker killed was directly Batman's fault. Because the Joker from TDK came to existence because of Batman. Batman put on a costume and used theatrics, so Joker did the same. As Gordon said, inflation. Batman was trying to bring order, and Joker rose up to show there can be no order, only chaos.

Events may have unfolded that Peter was involved in, but that doesn't mean his death was his direct fault. Casualties happen. Especially in CBMs. You can't call every death of someone close to Peter in this series the result of him being irresponsible/not learning a lesson

Not the same.

Parker gave Connors the algorithim that turned him into the Lizard and then the Lizard killed Captain Stacy. pretty clear chain of events.

"Escalation" is the term that Gordon used-and it was really just his theory. For all we know, Joker would have come to be whether Batman ever existed or not. Certainly Scarecrow existed before Batman was around. There was no direct cause and effect relationship like we saw in TASM.

Parker was directly responsible for His Uncles death, directly responsible for Stacy's death and ultimately, by not learning his lesson the first two times, directly responsible for Gwens death.


Can we call the sequel: The Amazingly Selfish Spider-Man?

 

[ThePhantasm]

That's not what "directly responsible means." Directly responsible would mean Peter actually killed Uncle Ben himself.

A "chain of events" is indirect responsibility at best, not direct responsibility.

 

[socool]

Not the same.

Parker gave Connors the algorithim that turned him into the Lizard and then the Lizard killed Captain Stacy. pretty clear chain of events.

"Escalation" is the term that Gordon used-and it was really just his theory. For all we know, Joker would have come to be whether Batman ever existed or not. Certainly Scarecrow existed before Batman was around. There was no direct cause and effect relationship like we saw in TASM.

Parker was directly responsible for His Uncles death, directly responsible for Stacy's death and ultimately, by not learning his lesson the first two times, directly responsible for Gwens death.


Can we call the sequel: The Amazingly Selfish Spider-Man?

You don't really know what "directly" means...do you?

 

[Vid Electricz]

You don't really know what "directly" means...do you?

duhr. does anyone got a dikshunary? What duz "direktly" mean?

lol.

If Peter hadn't given Connors the formula, Stacy would be alive. Is there an actual rebuttal you've got or can you only nitpick and argue semantics?

 

[socool]

duhr. does anyone got a dikshunary? What duz "direktly" mean?

lol.

If Peter hadn't given Connors the formula, Stacy would be alive. Is there an actual rebuttal you've got or can you only nitpick and argue semantics?

By this logic, you could argue that Peter's Dad directly killed Stacy because if he hadn't created the forumla, Peter never would've given it to Connors. Or you could blame Connors because if he didn't want to regrow his arm, he never would've became the Lizard. Or you could say Stacy directly killed himself because if he hadn't chased after the Lizard to do his job, he wouldn't be dead.

See? Ridiculous. The Lizard directly killed Stacy. Peter indirectly started the chain of events that led to his death. The difference there is...uncanny.

 

[hawkeye27]

Batman may not have "created" Joker, but Joker was brought in by the mob to get rid of Batman. If there was no Batman, than there would be no reason for the mob to bring in Batman.

You're logic says Batman was directly involved.

But directly means he killed Ben and Stacy himself or was intentionally accomplice to their deaths. The decisions he made are the reasons for their death. He had no idea that burglar had a gun or that the algorithm he gave Connors would turn him into a giant lizard. Just the way things happened.

 

[SM71]

Not the same.

Parker gave Connors the algorithim that turned him into the Lizard and then the Lizard killed Captain Stacy. pretty clear chain of events.

"Escalation" is the term that Gordon used-and it was really just his theory. For all we know, Joker would have come to be whether Batman ever existed or not. Certainly Scarecrow existed before Batman was around. There was no direct cause and effect relationship like we saw in TASM.

Parker was directly responsible for His Uncles death, directly responsible for Stacy's death and ultimately, by not learning his lesson the first two times, directly responsible for Gwens death.


Can we call the sequel: The Amazingly Selfish Spider-Man?

1st bold - He had no idea it would have that effect. By giving Connors that algorithm, Peter thought he would be helping millions of people, not creating a giant lizard monster. Without knowing what actually would result, him giving Connors the algorithm was actually a pretty nice and responsible move if you ask me. Peter thinking he had the answer to mankind's ailments and choosing NOT to give it to Connors would be more selfish imo

2nd bold - That's what I meant didn't think it was worth editing the post figured you'd get my gist....

3rd bold - The Joker isn't a tradition "criminal." Nothing he does is for money. It's simply to prove there can be no order, only chaos, that chaos is what's fair. He wants to show how pathetic the heroes of Gotham's "plans" are. He states this himself. In the interrogation scene he speaks to Batman's theatrically, relating themselves to one another. While no it's not an algorithm Batman gave to the Joker, throughout that movie it seems pretty clear to me that TDK Joker came about in response to Batman, who was doing too good of a job cleaning up Gotham and restoring order. Hence, also, Joker interrupting the mob bosses meeting in the beginning to ask what the h*ll happened to them, and championing for the elimination of Batman... not so he can go on committing crimes for his personal(financial) benefit, but so Gotham can go back to being corrupt and chaotic, just as it was when the League of Shadows determined its corruption warranted complete destruction in BB

 

[ThePhantasm]

duhr. does anyone got a dikshunary? What duz "direktly" mean?

lol.

If Peter hadn't given Connors the formula, Stacy would be alive. Is there an actual rebuttal you've got or can you only nitpick and argue semantics?

Its a pretty good rebuttal of your position. Sometimes semantics is all it takes to prove a point. But given that you can't provide a rebuttal beyond mocking others, why should we accommodate you?

 

[SM71]

Sorry about all the Batman stuff guys. Love those movies, but not hearing comparisons about them in here. Only brought it up to make a point about Peter's decisions not being completely irresponsible and the direct cause of Stacy's death

 

[SM71]

Last Batman comment......

if you actually watch TDK and TASM, Batman would appear more responsible than spiderman, if anything. Bruce even states, "I was meant to inspire good, not this, not madness." He himself acknowledges this. And Alfred states (paraphrased) "What did you think would happen... you hammered them(the mob) and in their desperation they turned to someone they didn't understand." They both acknowledge Batman is the reason for the coming of Joker. The Joker openly announced he would kill people strictly because of Batman and until he turned himself in. So yeah all those deaths, including the implosion of an entire hospital, were (technically - by your logic) directly the result of Bruce's Batman's mere existence

Edit: not knocking Batman, just making a point

 

[SM71]

By this logic, you could argue that Peter's Dad directly killed Stacy because if he hadn't created the forumla, Peter never would've given it to Connors. Or you could blame Connors because if he didn't want to regrow his arm, he never would've became the Lizard. Or you could say Stacy directly killed himself because if he hadn't chased after the Lizard to do his job, he wouldn't be dead.

See? Ridiculous. The Lizard directly killed Stacy. Peter indirectly started the chain of events that led to his death. The difference there is...uncanny.

This. In a much shorter manner than me, and w/o Batman comparisons. This^^ is the the point. Can't squarely blame Peter just cause he gave Connors the algy

The formula was also supposed to be tested in trial runs first, which Connors chose to forgo as to not lose his job, due to pressure from Ratha. See, a lot more goin on there

 

[terry78]

Not too keen on the idea of electro being the main villain. Or the fact that Jamie foxx is playing him. That's pretty random. Also I had no idea that dude was so "black power" lol just read a quote from him flat out saying that black people are the most talented people in the world. Imagine if a white dude said that. :/ anyway I'm sure he will do well in the role, he's a pretty good actor. Loved him in that movie he did with rdj

You'll get over it.

 

[SM71]

Not a big fan of him on a personal level, but still think he's got great acting chops. disliking him personally didn't stop me from loving Django, so I'm really excited to see what he brings. He can really pull off almost anything, so I think it'll all come down to where the writing takes him and what it allows him to do, emotionally and acting wise

 

[Anno_Domini]

Who's arguing that Batman can't be held responsible for Joker? Even Hugo Strange makes a reference in a similar manner in Arkham City(so it's not even just Nolan's version).