The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Jamie Foxx IS Electro - Part 2

[Repulsor Blast]

I hope to see something like this

 

[Repulsor Blast]

and this:

 

[Spider-Ranger]

Great examples for Spidey vs. Electro action!
Hope to see something similar at least!

 

[Vid Electricz]

1st bold - He had no idea it would have that effect. By giving Connors that algorithm, Peter thought he would be helping millions of people, not creating a giant lizard monster. Without knowing what actually would result, him giving Connors the algorithm was actually a pretty nice and responsible move if you ask me. Peter thinking he had the answer to mankind's ailments and choosing NOT to give it to Connors would be more selfish imo

2nd bold - That's what I meant didn't think it was worth editing the post figured you'd get my gist....

3rd bold - The Joker isn't a tradition "criminal." Nothing he does is for money. It's simply to prove there can be no order, only chaos, that chaos is what's fair. He wants to show how pathetic the heroes of Gotham's "plans" are. He states this himself. In the interrogation scene he speaks to Batman's theatrically, relating themselves to one another. While no it's not an algorithm Batman gave to the Joker, throughout that movie it seems pretty clear to me that TDK Joker came about in response to Batman, who was doing too good of a job cleaning up Gotham and restoring order. Hence, also, Joker interrupting the mob bosses meeting in the beginning to ask what the h*ll happened to them, and championing for the elimination of Batman... not so he can go on committing crimes for his personal(financial) benefit, but so Gotham can go back to being corrupt and chaotic, just as it was when the League of Shadows determined its corruption warranted complete destruction in BB

Joker could have eventually come to be in response to Dent doing too good a job of cleaning up the city. It's all theory from Gordon & Alfred. We're never actually shown a definitive cause/effect (even if it's insinuated that there is one). I like the ambiguity of it though.

In TASM we are actually shown Peter recklessly giving out the formula that his father had gone to great lengths to keep hidden. And this never enters his mind once? Reckless and stupid.

So yeah, depending on how much you want to deconstruct it, everyone is responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened in some obscure way. So you can argue about events that took place off screen or theories- but in TASM, we're shown a very clear, concise series of events that lead from Peter giving out the formula to Stacy's death.

 

[Vid Electricz]

By this logic, you could argue that Peter's Dad directly killed Stacy because if he hadn't created the forumla, Peter never would've given it to Connors. Or you could blame Connors because if he didn't want to regrow his arm, he never would've became the Lizard. Or you could say Stacy directly killed himself because if he hadn't chased after the Lizard to do his job, he wouldn't be dead.

See? Ridiculous. The Lizard directly killed Stacy. Peter indirectly started the chain of events that led to his death. The difference there is...uncanny.

Yes, and you could argue that Hitlers mother is responsible for the Holocaust because she gave birth to Hitler. Or that it's the passengers own fault that they're dead because they boarded the plane on 9-11. That's ridiculous. You can argue that anyone is responsible for anything if you want to get esoteric and philosophical enough. This is a very clear cut chain of cause & effect in TASM.

Lizard would never have come to be if Peter hadn't made the decision to give Connors the formula. Blaming Connors for using the seeming miracle formula which he had been handed or Stacy for doing his job (blaming the victim) is just silly. It was Peters (a supposedly intelligent and thoughtful person) initial decision that was the catalyst.

Peter, with no regard to the fact that his father had gone to great lengths to hide it, gave the formula to Connors. He was stupid and reckless in starting a chain of events that lead to Bens death and Stacy's death. He still hasn't learned his lesson and will continue to be stupid and reckless by dating Gwen and putting her life in danger.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Its a pretty good rebuttal of your position. Sometimes semantics is all it takes to prove a point. But given that you can't provide a rebuttal beyond mocking others, why should we accommodate you?

The argument presented was: "You can't call every death of someone close to Peter in this series the result of him being irresponsible/not learning a lesson."

I made the argument that through a very clear chain of events, Peter was responsible for Ben and Stacy's death.

The counter arguments to that is Peter NOT being responsible for Bens or Stacy's death or Gwens death.

Bens death is understandable, as Peter is always meant to be responsible through his own hubris for that- then he learns his lesson and owns up to his selfish, reckless ways. Not in TASM though, he gets Stacy killed (differently than in the comics) and he will eventually get Gwen killed because he just won't learn his lesson. You'd think 2 dead father figures would be enough.

 

[Eggyman]

I'd go easy on calling Captain Stacey a father figure to Pete. He met him three of four times.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

It'd be good to see a proper city fight. Something they completely missed out on with Lizard.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I'd go easy on calling Captain Stacey a father figure to Pete. He met him three of four times.

I'm using the term loosely, but still, in TASM, he was obviously meant to be a sort of father/mentor figure to Peter regardless of screen time.

 

[Eggyman]

I'm using the term loosely, but still, in TASM, he was obviously meant to be a sort of father/mentor figure to Peter regardless of screen time.

He never struck me as that at all. I just don't see him as that. He did teach him a couple of lessons, I suppose, but that doesn't automatically make him a father figure. It's off topic, so let's make this quick and agree to differ.

 

[TheAQU4M4N]

i cant wait until we get a good shot of Electro.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It'd be good to see a proper city fight. Something they completely missed out on with Lizard.

How much I wanted to see a Spidey/Lizard fight overtake a park or Times Square

 

[Grievous]

Times Square really needs to be the location of a fight in TASM2. It's full of bright lights and signs so it's perfect for Electro. Not to mention we have had 4 Spidey films and not 1 of them has had a fight in Times Square, almost hard to believe seeing how big of a landmark for the city it is.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm hoping for a fight there as well. Always pictured Spidey fighting Green Goblin or Hobgoblin there, but Electro would be cool.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm using the term loosely

You are using all your terms pretty loosely.

 

[mayo23]

I personally wouldn't have my heart so set on there being a Times Square fight. TASM had several missed opportunities for great set pieces involving the Lizard, such as Spidey chasing the Lizard through the streets of NYC, a more elaborate sewer/bridge fight, fight with Swat lizards etc.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Times Square really needs to be the location of a fight in TASM2. It's full of bright lights and signs so it's perfect for Electro. Not to mention we have had 4 Spidey films and not 1 of them has had a fight in Times Square, almost hard to believe seeing how big of a landmark for the city it is.

Wait, wasn't the first Green Goblin fight in times square?

 

[Eggyman]

Wait, wasn't the first Green Goblin fight in times square?

Yep, but in fairness most of the fight happens at the very edge of the square but you get a good look at it near the end just as Goblin flies away.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Which reminds me, the swinging stuff in the scene looks way more real than TASM

I suppose it's because in TASM the enviroment was rendered cgi and in Spider-Man it was CGI in a real enviroment. I really wish they'd go back to that...

 

[Eggyman]

Which reminds me, the swinging stuff in the scene looks way more real than TASM

I suppose it's because in TASM the enviroment was rendered cgi and in Spider-Man it was CGI in a real enviroment. I really wish they'd go back to that...

I love the swinging in the first Spidey film. They had a great eye for it. I don't think it was as good in 2 and 3. There was less arc, more floating, less weight. That's not true of every instance, but in general I think they paid a lot more attention to the swinging physics in the first film.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

The psysichs of the swinging were top notch in TASM, I only wish that they could blend it with real enviroments so we would get a more real sense of it all

 

[Eggyman]

The psysichs of the swinging were top notch in TASM, I only wish that they could blend it with real enviroments so we would get a more real sense of it all

Couple of dodgy instances but overall not bad. There's certainly other areas they should be more concerned with improving in the sequel.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Couple of dodgy instances but overall not bad. There's certainly other areas they should be more concerned with improving in the sequel.

Eggyman, you liked TASM right?

 

[Eggyman]

Eggyman, you liked TASM right?

Yeah. I see its flaws but enjoyed it overall.

 

[Picard Sisko]

On a scale of 1-10?