The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Jamie Foxx IS Electro - Part 4

[GuestStar2004]

well duh! we always see villains that look like that, i mean all the time

 

[JOE]

The comb over is the best part. Not to mention you could park a car in between his two front teeth.

 

[Vid Electricz]

well duh! we always see villains that look like that, i mean all the time

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodHomely
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodNerd

Take your average attractive actor or actress and stick on Nerd Glasses, a lab coat and some mussed hair and clothes to make them Hollywood Homely. They are probably also Hollywood Dateless, and the social ineptitude may only be an Informed Flaw.

The Hollywood Nerd will have an interest in some 'geeky' subject such as comic books, science fiction, or baseball, helping identify them as a loser, especially if they still live in their parent's basement.

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Jaime Foxx's Electro

 

[UltimateWebhead]

The comb over is the best part. Not to mention you could park a car in between his two front teeth.

And wasn't the combover Jamie's idea anyway? I seem to remember him saying that he came up with it and his sister, a hair dresser, was the one who styled it.

 

[Morbius]

I don't mind that Dillon starts out as ridiculous OTT nobody before going megavillain. It makes me think of the villain in The Lawnmower Man. At first, you couldn't possibly fear him at all, in fact, he was actually quite endearing, which I'm sure Max Dillion will be. When he catches the whip in a later scene and retaliates, it's actually quite sinister.

 

[JOE]

"Sinister."

 

[SpideyFan866]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodHomely
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodNerd

Take your average attractive actor or actress and stick on Nerd Glasses, a lab coat and some mussed hair and clothes to make them Hollywood Homely. They are probably also Hollywood Dateless, and the social ineptitude may only be an Informed Flaw.

The Hollywood Nerd will have an interest in some 'geeky' subject such as comic books, science fiction, or baseball, helping identify them as a loser, especially if they still live in their parent's basement.

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FromNobodyToNightmare

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhosLaughingNow

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Jaime Foxx's Electro

But the question is.... is there any thing really wrong with that? Especially when its SUPPOSED to be that exaggerated and a stereotypical Hollywood nerd type?

 

[TheWallCrawler]

wait... so now it's supposed to be "a stereotypical Hollywood nerd type", like they made it on purpose? I believe no one from the cast or the producers has said anything even close to that

I have nothing against the Max Dillon look, in fact I like it. But there's no way they consciously aimed for a cliche

 

[Spider-Who?]

wait... so now it's supposed to be "a stereotypical Hollywood nerd type", like they made it on purpose? I believe no one from the cast or the producers has said anything even close to that

I have nothing against the Max Dillon look, in fact I like it. But there's no way they consciously aimed for a cliche

...soooo you think it's more plausible that a group of people whose careers are to make movies were totally unaware of film tropes?

 

[WarriorDreamer]

...soooo you think it's more plausible that a group of people whose careers are to make movies were totally unaware of film tropes?

I actually genuinely think that whoever is behind the production of these movies doesnt have a clue how to make movie's, yes. It's as if they put it all into the hands of Marc Webb who has one movie to his name. The one and only good thing about ASM was Andrew and Emma's performances, everything else was a giant cliche and has been taken or stolen from another movie. I think the reason the Andrew/Emma performances were good is because Marc Webb directed 500 days of summer, so he knows about shooting romance. Everything else, clueless. Electro DOES look like a cliche 80's Batman villain, although I HOPE he is given some depth and some sense of menance. I am sick of this shy wimpy scientist character which is overdone in these movies.

I know everyone I've talked to feels exactly the same way as well.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I actually genuinely think that whoever is behind the production of these movies doesnt have a clue how to make movie's, yes. It's as if they put it all into the hands of Marc Webb who has one movie to his name. The one and only good thing about ASM was Andrew and Emma's performances, everything else was a giant cliche and has been taken or stolen from another movie. I think the reason the Andrew/Emma performances were good is because Marc Webb directed 500 days of summer, so he knows about shooting romance. Everything else, clueless. Electro DOES look like a cliche 80's Batman villain, although I HOPE he is given some depth and some sense of menance. I am sick of this shy wimpy scientist character which is overdone in these movies.

I know everyone I've talked to feels exactly the same way as well.

compared to SM1 this film was actually very different to other comic book movies, SM1 was very stereotypical if not cliche

TASM done alot of things different, infact alot of the things that are different are the things people complain about lol

 

[Vid Electricz]

compared to SM1 this film was actually very different to other comic book movies, SM1 was very stereotypical if not cliche

TASM done alot of things different, infact alot of the things that are different are the things people complain about lol

How do you figure?

 

[Green Goblin]

I actually genuinely think that whoever is behind the production of these movies doesnt have a clue how to make movie's, yes. It's as if they put it all into the hands of Marc Webb who has one movie to his name. The one and only good thing about ASM was Andrew and Emma's performances, everything else was a giant cliche and has been taken or stolen from another movie. I think the reason the Andrew/Emma performances were good is because Marc Webb directed 500 days of summer, so he knows about shooting romance. Everything else, clueless. Electro DOES look like a cliche 80's Batman villain, although I HOPE he is given some depth and some sense of menance. I am sick of this shy wimpy scientist character which is overdone in these movies.

I know everyone I've talked to feels exactly the same way as well.

If I had a doller for everytime something rips off another film I'd be rich.

Films have been out for hundred years so parts are obviously going to be similar but that does not mean "it's a ripp off". Are you telling me you could write a Spider-Man movie without anything being similar to what has come before.

As far as influence goes, I'd say TASM was influenced as much by films like Iron Man or Batman Begins as Spider-Man One was influenced by Batman 89 or Superman The Movie.

 

[Infinity9999x]

wait... so now it's supposed to be "a stereotypical Hollywood nerd type", like they made it on purpose? I believe no one from the cast or the producers has said anything even close to that

I have nothing against the Max Dillon look, in fact I like it. But there's no way they consciously aimed for a cliche

.....Really? Of course they consciously aimed for a cliche! What, you think they didn't realize they were making him an overblown nerd? That somehow the designers and director didn't notice that they were going for this look and it just accidentally happened?

I'm sure Nolan didn't realize he was putting makeup on Heath's Joker either

 

[Vid Electricz]

.....Really? Of course they consciously aimed for a cliche! What, you think they didn't realize they were making him an overblown nerd? That somehow the designers and director didn't notice that they were going for this look and it just accidentally happened?

I'm sure Nolan didn't realize he was putting makeup on Heath's Joker either

There are degrees of variation, y'know. Are you suggesting that going to the OTT extreme was the only possible direction? Max Dillon MUST look like an OTT nerd caricature for us to understand what a loser he is? Yeesh.

I guess they felt that the audience they're creating this film for is so LCD that they need to be slapped in the face with visual storytelling cues. LOOK HOW NERDY HE IS. HE WEARS GLASSES AND HAS A COMBOVER AND BUCK TEETH AND SHABBY CLOTHES. LOOK HOW NERDY.

 

[Infinity9999x]

There are degrees of variation, y'know. Are you suggesting that going to the OTT extreme was the only possible direction? Max Dillon MUST look like an OTT nerd caricature for us to understand what a loser he is? Yeesh.

I guess they felt that the audience they're creating this film for is so LCD that they need to be slapped in the face with visual storytelling cues. LOOK HOW NERDY HE IS. HE WEARS GLASSES AND HAS A COMBOVER AND BUCK TEETH AND SHABBY CLOTHES. LOOK HOW NERDY.

I suggested nothing of the sort. I said it was ludicrous to think that somehow the people involved in making this movie didn't mean to make Max super nerdy, because obviously they did. I said absolutely nothing on what I thought of the take on the character.

 

[Green Goblin]

There are degrees of variation, y'know. Are you suggesting that going to the OTT extreme was the only possible direction? Max Dillon MUST look like an OTT nerd caricature for us to understand what a loser he is? Yeesh.

I guess they felt that the audience they're creating this film for is so LCD that they need to be slapped in the face with visual storytelling cues. LOOK HOW NERDY HE IS. HE WEARS GLASSES AND HAS A COMBOVER AND BUCK TEETH AND SHABBY CLOTHES. LOOK HOW NERDY.

Yes, Rami did the same with Peter, we should keep up the tradition.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Yes, Rami did the same with Peter, we should keep up the tradition.

You are very observant. SO observant, in fact, that you must have noticed the part where Peter had a combover, buck teeth or shabby clothes- because I noticed absolutely nothing of the sort. Glasses? Sure, but then TASM Peter wears almost the exact same style (but let me guess, that gets a pass because they were his fathers )

 

[WarriorDreamer]

If I had a doller for everytime something rips off another film I'd be rich.

Films have been out for hundred years so parts are obviously going to be similar but that does not mean "it's a ripp off". Are you telling me you could write a Spider-Man movie without anything being similar to what has come before.

As far as influence goes, I'd say TASM was influenced as much by films like Iron Man or Batman Begins as Spider-Man One was influenced by Batman 89 or Superman The Movie.

Yes. When you build a movie based solely on Spider-Man comic book materiel excluding anything that influenced the first Raimi movie you have something not yet shown on film. I myself am not at the stage where I would be allowed to write/ direct a Spider-Man movie, but I can definitely at least see how it could be built in a way which is completely distinct from Raimi's movie but still utterly respects the comic materiel. I mean I've read enough of it to just go now, not that I'd be allowed. (I'm not a Hollywood writer/ producer, just a student writer/ producer.)

Cliche is when an idea is overdone. When an idea worked well in a certain time but it's overuse wears out it's effectiveness. There is years of materiel to make it feel original. There are story lines and character's who have never been put on the silver screen. There is really no need to make it resemble any other previous film.

Some of the choices make total sense in ASM IMO, some of the others, not so much.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Peter chases after a bus while the kids laugh to show on he is a loser, yes we get it

The popular girl who likes guys with cars who the nerd has a crush and watching at home you think she is out of his league but she is nice to him so we can see why he has a crush oh hear

The love interest gets kidnapped and the hero saves her and in typical hero fashion gets his ass kicked until villian says something that suddenly gives him new strength to win

And maybe its just Toby but his wide eyed confused look on his face all the time to look awkward

Its a stereotypical cliche I think you will find in loads of teen movies


While I liked a lot of the changes in TASM, flash and Peter becoming friends and flash not bust staying as a cocky bully all through out, nice add on to his character

*Gwen actually liking Peter for being a nerd/outcast and being very patient with him while being a strong female who puts the bully in his place and can make him look worried, but can also rival Peter in intelligence

*The ending that everyone is complaining about being wrong because it didn't do what it should have done

Every idea has probably been done before but Honestly its a lot more fresh as a whole

 

[Loki882]

Yes. When you build a movie based solely on Spider-Man comic book materiel excluding anything that influenced the first Raimi movie you have something not yet shown on film. I myself am not at the stage where I would be allowed to write/ direct a Spider-Man movie, but I can definitely at least see how it could be built in a way which is completely distinct from Raimi's movie but still utterly respects the comic materiel. I mean I've read enough of it to just go now, not that I'd be allowed. (I'm not a Hollywood writer/ producer, just a student writer/ producer.)

Cliche is when an idea is overdone. When an idea worked well in a certain time but it's overuse wears out it's effectiveness. There is years of materiel to make it feel original. There are story lines and character's who have never been put on the silver screen. There is really no need to make it resemble any other previous film.

Some of the choices make total sense in ASM IMO, some of the others, not so much.

If you exclude all that, then you don't have GG (Peter's arch enemy), MJ (his iconic love interest), Harry (his best friend turned enemy), etc. In other words, essentially elements that make Spider Man who he is.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

If you exclude all that, then you don't have GG (Peter's arch enemy), MJ (his iconic love interest), Harry (his best friend turned enemy), etc. In other words, essentially elements that make Spider Man who he is.

I do not mean exclude in the sense of eliminate the character altogether, but I mean the specific Raimi take on the characters.

Look, many aspects of ASM I liked, some parts felt very fresh and very much needed in a SM franchise (as I mentioned, Andrew and Emma's performances as Peter and Gwen.) But to me many other elements were just blah. With all 3 Raimi movies I felt such a high after seeing them (yes, even SM3.) With ASM I just thought 'When's the next one?' Which shouldn't be the case, I should be buzzing with thoughts of the film I'd just watched.

 

[Green Goblin]

Yes. When you build a movie based solely on Spider-Man comic book materiel excluding anything that influenced the first Raimi movie you have something not yet shown on film. I myself am not at the stage where I would be allowed to write/ direct a Spider-Man movie, but I can definitely at least see how it could be built in a way which is completely distinct from Raimi's movie but still utterly respects the comic materiel. I mean I've read enough of it to just go now, not that I'd be allowed. (I'm not a Hollywood writer/ producer, just a student writer/ producer.)

Cliche is when an idea is overdone. When an idea worked well in a certain time but it's overuse wears out it's effectiveness. There is years of materiel to make it feel original. There are story lines and character's who have never been put on the silver screen. There is really no need to make it resemble any other previous film.

Some of the choices make total sense in ASM IMO, some of the others, not so much.

There was different characters and it was a new take? Other than being an origin, how did it rip off other aspects that other reboots have not done with their franchises?

 

[TheWallCrawler]

.....Really? Of course they consciously aimed for a cliche! What, you think they didn't realize they were making him an overblown nerd? That somehow the designers and director didn't notice that they were going for this look and it just accidentally happened?

I'm sure Nolan didn't realize he was putting makeup on Heath's Joker either

...soooo you think it's more plausible that a group of people whose careers are to make movies were totally unaware of film tropes?

Ok point taken. What I was really trying to say that they wouldn't consciously aim for something they knew was lame

 

[JOE]

You are very observant. SO observant, in fact, that you must have noticed the part where Peter had a combover, buck teeth or shabby clothes- because I noticed absolutely nothing of the sort. Glasses? Sure, but then TASM Peter wears almost the exact same style (but let me guess, that gets a pass because they were his fathers )

His school boyish haircut, invisibility to women, his soft spoken voice, his passiveness, winning the science award, taking photos for the school newspaper?

Individually these are irrelevant. Any non-nerdy person can be any few of those, however collectively it's safe to say these count as visual storytelling cues as well. I believe that is what Green Goblin was referring to, Vid.