The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Jamie Foxx IS Electro - Part 4

[Loki882]

No, that would have made him even more boring. Spider Man fighting a mindless animal, how very interesting, not. Having the Lizard be intelligent makes things much more interesting because he's a physical threat, but also has brains. It makes him double dangerous. Also, Doc Ock only a 6, no just no. Doc Ock is on many critics and audience lists (including mine) as one of the greatest comic book movie villains EVER, for good reason.

 

[JOE]

No, that would have made him even more boring. Spider Man fighting a mindless animal, how very interesting, not. Having the Lizard be intelligent makes things much more interesting because he's a physical threat, but also has brains. It makes him double dangerous. Also, Doc Ock only a 6, no just no. Doc Ock is on many critics and audience lists (including mine) as one of the greatest comic book movie villains EVER, for good reason.

Yeah, because the Lizard we got was perfect. How cliche is a "turn NYC into lizards" plot? It was terrible. Talking to himself in the sewers having a moral dilemma with himself? Flashback, anyone remember Norman doing that? Deja vu. Oh look, what a coincidence! I'll show you a device that could shoot whatever I want into the air and cover all of NYC. Lets hope I don't turn evil and create a formula that can turn people into lizards... Oops, I did. Lets mix in cheesy dialogue and terrible CGI. Remember this scene where his tail comes out, the line he says? Hello Saturday morning cartoons!

Now about Doc Ock. "no, just no." Sorry, am I not allowed to rate a villain what I think he deserves? He's just another walking cliche. "I'm a scientist that wants to help the world with my creation, something goes wrong though and makes me evil."


Also, let's give him a non-cliche death by having him destroy his creating which ends up killing him. That's not cliche at all either.


Do I have to get into his cheese as well? So be it, more Saturday morning cartoon lines. This one was priceless though!


"We'll do it here. The power of the sun in the palm of my hand, Nothing will stand in our way! NOTHING!"

Face. Palm.




Don't get me wrong, I loved Doc... The train scene still stands up as the best CBM fight scene to this date, IMO. Visually he was great as well, especially for being filmed over 10 years ago... He's far from perfect though. Still my favorite Spidey villain so far in a Spider-Man movie. However, it's slim picking. Winner of the losers I guess haha.

 

[Victarion]

Turning NY into lizard people for their betterment was wonderfully pulpy and over the top, without being as terribad as the other fantastic stuff you see in the genre.

 

[Oscorp]

I wouldn't say the CGI for Lizard was terrible. He was very detailed, the close ups were great. The way he moved was very CGI though. But nothing compared to the little spiders :P

I agree though that overall Spidey's movie villains haven't been that great in my eyes. Green Goblin and Doc Ock are probably the best ones, but they both have their fair share of things I just don't like. A.I. Doc Ock and "I will not die a monster!": uuugh! And as you said, he had some very corny lines. Visually he was perfect though and Alfred Molina was perfect.

Green Goblin was great but with a goofy suit and being killed off too fast, sharing screen time with Spidey's origin he wasn't nearly used to his potential as Spidey's arch enemy. His motivation was very unclear too.

Don't even need to mention Venom and Sandman. Harry was great in SM2 but his amnesia thing in SM3 felt lazy.

I thought Lizard was pretty good and I liked his motivation but he wasn't anywhere near his potential and his design could have been better. He lacked the depth of his comic book counterpart and he was way too slow and generic in the way he fought. He should have been more of a beast and Connors' role as a menthor and family father should have been there.

1) Green Goblin
2) Doc Ock
3) Lizard
4) Harry Goblin
5) Sandman
6) Venom

No one of these come close to the likes of Joker, Magneto or Loki. I also prefer Bane, Ra's al Ghul and Stane over those six.

 

[Oscorp]

Overall I'd rank CBM villains that I right now can think of like this:

1) Joker
2) Magneto
3) Loki

4) Bane
5) Ra's al Ghul
6) William Stryker (X2)
7) Obidiah Stane
8) Green Goblin
9) Silver Samurai
10) Doc Ock
11) Lizard
12) Scarecrow
13) Abomination
14) Malekith
15) Red Skull
etc.

I have a feeling that Electro can be great. I hope he take a spot somewhere in 4-6.

 

[Hunter Rider]

^^^ Your avvy is awesome.

 

[Oscorp]

^^^ Your avvy is awesome.

Thanks! Whoever drew it is awesome, I envy such skills!

 

[Nicko-Ray]

You guys both have cool avvys.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Are we really getting upset about the 'corny' lines that are delivered by a Spider-man villain? Their very existence is corny. We might as well start getting upset about the lines Electro is gonna deliver cause I can guarantee the corn will be in there--oh and let's not forget that he utters essentially the same lines that GG did in SM1--that itsy bitsy spider part.

 

[JOE]

Are we really getting upset about the 'corny' lines that are delivered by a Spider-man villain? Their very existence is corny. We might as well start getting upset about the lines Electro is gonna deliver cause I can guarantee the corn will be in there--oh and let's not forget that he utters essentially the same lines that GG did in SM1--that itsy bitsy spider part.

I don't know, Jamie strikes me as an actor who can pull off any line and make it sound cool.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Are we really getting upset about the 'corny' lines that are delivered by a Spider-man villain? Their very existence is corny. We might as well start getting upset about the lines Electro is gonna deliver cause I can guarantee the corn will be in there--oh and let's not forget that he utters essentially the same lines that GG did in SM1--that itsy bitsy spider part.

I think the Itsby Bitsy spider line may have just been for his intro at Comic-Con.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I think the Itsby Bitsy spider line may have just been for his intro at Comic-Con.

I don't think so. On his last day of filming, at the power plant, he said that line in a couple of takes. That was printed in one of the articles that came out around the time of CC.

 

[Green Goblin]

"I like the way you fry boy" - Electro

Everyone is expecting that line.

 

[Loki882]

There were really only a couple of lines that GG had that I really felt were overly cheesy. The "itsy-bitsy Spider" line and the whole "prayer" scene being the most noticeable ones. Dafoe is such a great actor that he even made those sound somewhat creepy and threatening, any other actor and they've sounded hilariously goofy. Doc Ock didn't really have any really cheesy lines that I can recall.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, because the Lizard we got was perfect. How cliche is a "turn NYC into lizards" plot? It was terrible. Talking to himself in the sewers having a moral dilemma with himself? Flashback, anyone remember Norman doing that? Deja vu. Oh look, what a coincidence! I'll show you a device that could shoot whatever I want into the air and cover all of NYC. Lets hope I don't turn evil and create a formula that can turn people into lizards... Oops, I did. Lets mix in cheesy dialogue and terrible CGI. Remember this scene where his tail comes out, the line he says? Hello Saturday morning cartoons!

Now about Doc Ock. "no, just no." Sorry, am I not allowed to rate a villain what I think he deserves? He's just another walking cliche. "I'm a scientist that wants to help the world with my creation, something goes wrong though and makes me evil."


Also, let's give him a non-cliche death by having him destroy his creating which ends up killing him. That's not cliche at all either.


Do I have to get into his cheese as well? So be it, more Saturday morning cartoon lines. This one was priceless though!


"We'll do it here. The power of the sun in the palm of my hand, Nothing will stand in our way! NOTHING!"

Face. Palm.




Don't get me wrong, I loved Doc... The train scene still stands up as the best CBM fight scene to this date, IMO. Visually he was great as well, especially for being filmed over 10 years ago... He's far from perfect though. Still my favorite Spidey villain so far in a Spider-Man movie. However, it's slim picking. Winner of the losers I guess haha.

The Lizard's plan was one from the comics, and it fit in to how Conner's was as a character BEFORE he transformed (wanting to rid the world of weakness and all that). And it was STILL better than having some mindless animal running around randomly attacking people. Heck, the NYPD could handle that on there own.

 

[SM71]

Thank you Loki, I agree

He didn't need to be Joker-status. He was a catalyst for Peter/Spider-man, and was more than enough for me personally in an origin film

 

[Oscorp]

I'd prefer Lizard not to share screen time with an origin, but that would also mean changing the whole story since he's so connected to everything.

I'd have liked Lizard to be the last in a trilogy, after Peter has lost Gwen. It could be extremely intense to have one of Peter's only father figures and friends left turn into a beast that loses himself more and more to the animal while other forces try to kill him. It would end with Spider-Man succeeding to save him, ending the trilogy with Spider-Man redeeming himself from his past failure. Peter would always grief over Gwen's death, and he would doubting himself alot in the third movie but coming to realise that even though people close to him have died, even more would suffer if he wasn't the superhero he is. Kinda cliché, but something like that.

Much like Green Goblin, I don't think Lizard could be done truly justice in an origin film.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I agree about the use of Lizard in an origin film...which is why I wished they would have stayed with the Proto-Goblin & Chameleon to not only set up the technology for the Green Goblin and Chameleon involvement in the Parent's mystery...but Proto-Goblin could have been a throw-away villain that for an origin leading up to what we have today. The Burglar as it is, and Chameleon could be continuing, behind the scene, villains, developing not only the mystery behind Peter's parents, but possibly the Burglar being part of a small time crime syndicate, that have ties to big research corporations, like Oscorps....in a slight version of the "Gang Wars Saga".

 

[Spider-Ranger]

I agree about the use of Lizard in an origin film...which is why I wished they would have stayed with the Proto-Goblin & Chameleon to not only set up the technology for the Green Goblin and Chameleon involvement in the Parent's mystery...but Proto-Goblin could have been a throw-away villain that for an origin leading up to what we have today. The Burglar as it is, and Chameleon could be continuing, behind the scene, villains, developing not only the mystery behind Peter's parents, but possibly the Burglar being part of a small time crime syndicate, that have ties to big research corporations, like Oscorps....in a slight version of the "Gang Wars Saga".

I kinda liked those rumors back then. It would've fit with the films underdog status: intimate indie story feeling, lesser known villains...

 

[SM71]

I agree about the whole using him in an origin film argument. But the problem is, there's a million different ways to use every single character/villain. Not every use can or will live up to its absolute potential. I actually really really like Oscorp and VenomsDad's ideas, but what we ended up getting was a classic Lizard story and was far from horrible imo. It tied into Peter's life and his parents pretty nicely, so I don't think using him in the origin was a bad idea

 

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[CyclopsWasRight]

Looking forward to Electro, but the inside of his mouth should be electrified too, it looks odd not being so

 

[Neno_Kos]

I dont expect to see his inside of his mouth electrified because he could when he speak or yell shoot lightings and ***** from his mouth so....i could call that overpowered.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm waiting for the eventual manip of that picture, with him looking at a Burger King menu.

 

[Loki882]

He looks like a badass, it's as simple as that. Spidey, you have my permission to wet your pants now.