Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 1

[Keehar]

Really Jared Leto is not human, he's not interested in sex, he's a real clown, and he has no birth or age? Ok. He must know Leto more intimately than me.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

*sigh*

 

[KillerWolf]

Mate, if you didn't understand the gist of his post, then just move on with it will you?

You cling on the last sentence too much, like you haven't read anything that was written prior to it and it isn't easy to understand what was the whole point.

 

[Keehar]

I did get the gist of it. It's not rocket science. Nobody's been able to show where I am supposedly off here.

The last sentence summed up the whole point of what he said. Jared Leto embodies all those Joker traits for him. I challenged how he does, and I just got insulted for it.

Insecurities galore in here. Must not challenge anything pro about Leto. Even when the analogy made no sense, not to Leto as a person, or for how he's going to play the Joker because we don't know that yet.

So keep rolling your eyes. It validates your position so well.

 

[Travesty]

 

[Rodrigo90]

I really enjoyed reading your perspective of the Joker, Rodrigo. Fantastic.

 

[KillerWolf]

I did get the gist of it. It's not rocket science. Nobody's been able to show where I am supposedly off here.

The last sentence summed up the whole point of what he said. Jared Leto embodies all those Joker traits for him. I challenged how he does, and I just got insulted for it.

Insecurities galore in here. Must not challenge anything pro about Leto. Even when the analogy made no sense, not to Leto as a person, or for how he's going to play the Joker because we don't know that yet.

So keep rolling your eyes. It validates your position so well.

First, you were hardly insulted, so don't act like a crybaby and second, don't resort to that quasi-psychological "I am obviously right, but you are all insecure and are projecting" method. It is cheap.

And it has nothing to do about being pro Leto or against Ledger. I actually agree with some points you made, some of the things Rocketman mentioned were used in characterization of Ledger's Joker, though differently, as this version was definitely more grungy and messy, which I find worked very well with the whole idea that Joker is a personification of chaos in TDK. I liked this version a lot, but am ready for a different one now, a more gentlemen-like and theatrical in a different, flamboyant and over-the-top way that is more in line with comics' Joker than TDK one. So I got Rocketman's point on this and it is a valid one.

And I also think Leto is a good choice and can embody this version quite naturally, and not just because he's a method actor known to lose himself in his roles. When imagined, comic book Joker seems to fit him like a glove. Analogy makes perfect sense if you're familiar with Leto's acting and previous roles. Who knows, maybe Ledger could embody this version too, but they went in a different direction with his character so we'll never know.

 

[Keehar]

First, you were hardly insulted, so don't act like a crybaby and second, don't resort to that quasi-psychological "I am obviously right, but you are all insecure and are projecting" method. It is cheap.

And it has nothing to do about being pro Leto or against Ledger. I actually agree with some points you made, some of the things Rocketman mentioned were used in characterization of Ledger's Joker, though differently, as this version was definitely more grungy and messy, which I find worked very well with the whole idea that Joker is a personification of chaos in TDK. I liked this version a lot, but am ready for a different one now, a more gentlemen-like and theatrical in a different, flamboyant and over the top way that is more in line with comics' Joker that TDK one. So I got Rocketman's point on this and it is a valid one.

And I also think Leto is a good choice and can embody this version quite naturally, and not just because he's a method actor known to lose himself in his roles. When imagined, comic book Joker seems to fit him like a glove. Analogy makes perfect sense if you're familiar with Leto's acting and previous roles. Who knows, maybe Ledger could embody this version too, but they went in a different direction with his character so we'll never know.

I'm not acting like a crybaby. I'm not the one who starting insulting anyone's post calling them philistine, sighing at it, being told to move on, and rolling eyes at it. When you get jumped on by three or four people for no good reason, you don't sit back and take it like a chump. That's not being a crybaby, that's having a backbone and standing up for yourself against unfair onslaughts.

I didn't and still don't see the point you say you see in Rocketman's post. He made a summary of the things he thinks the Joker is, and says Leto embodies all of that. Not that he thinks Leto will embody it as Joker, or thinks he could, he said he actually does. So I ask why when we haven't seen how he'll play Joker, and my post is called philistine, I'm told to let it go, I get eye rolling smileys made at me. Now I'm called a crybaby as well for not liking this treatment.

Is there some unique clique in here you have to be a part of to challenge an opinion and not be criticized for it?

 

[regwec]

Yes, it's the clique that prefers expansive engagement to reductive rebuttal.

 

[Keehar]

Practice what you preach and try it yourself, instead of reducing yourself to philistine insults.

 

[KillerWolf]

So you're telling me that this response:

Did you go in a time machine and see Leto's Joker?

Was a properly asked, civilized question, meant to encourage respective exchange of opinions and we attacked you ("insulted", as you worded it) for no reason at all?

Right.

 

[Keehar]

So you're telling me that this response:

Was a properly asked, civilized question, meant to encourage respective exchange of thoughts and we attacked you ("insulted", as you worded it) for no reason at all.

Right.

Yeah definitely. It was meant to be funny not insulting since you'd need a time machine to know whether or not Leto embodies all those Joker things he spent two paragraphs discussing.

If I wanted to be insulting I'd call him stupid for making a big deceleration like that based on nothing. Or call his post philistine.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah definitely. It was meant to be funny not insulting since you'd need a time machine to know whether or not Leto embodies all those Joker things he spent two paragraphs discussing.

If I wanted to be insulting I'd call him stupid for making a big deceleration like that based on nothing. Or call his post philistine.

Yeah, I got the "joke". So you completely deny that your post was aggressive and condescending from the start?
If you truly believe it is not the case, I must tell you that it certainly reads that way. There's more than just calling someone names.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Poo....

 

[KillerWolf]

 

[Keehar]

Yeah, I got the "joke". So you completely deny that your post was aggressive and condescending from the start?
If you truly believe it is not the case, I must tell you that it certainly reads that way. There's more than just calling someone names.

I totally deny it. If I wanted to be aggressive or condescending I wouldn't bother answering all the things he said and explaining my own P.O.V. to him about them. I'd just do what the rest of you did in here to me. Rubbish his post by calling it names, or post eye rolling smilies, or sigh at it.

All I did was explain my P.O.V. and ask why he believed Leto was all those Joker things when we haven't seen nothing yet.

 

[KillerWolf]

I totally deny it. If I wanted to be aggressive or condescending I wouldn't bother answering all the things he said and explaining my own P.O.V. to him about them. I'd just do what the rest of you did in here to me. Rubbish his post by calling it names, or post eye rolling smilies, or sigh at it.

All I did was explain my P.O.V. and ask why he believed Leto was all those Joker things when we haven't seen nothing yet.

Hm... it definitely seemed that way to me. But okay, if you say so.

 

[Keehar]

Thanks. If it did seem nasty then it wasn't meant to. In the spirit of peace I'll say sorry if it looked that way. I thought a time machine comment would be obvious as humour. I was going to post a Back to the Future Dyelorean pic but I was too lazy to look for one after posting all the other responses to his points.

 

[Travesty]

 

[Rodrigo90]

 

[MrsKent26]

I'm not sure what's going on in here, but...anyways...

I think it's interesting how different people interpret the same character.

I've always though of the Joker as the anti-batman. Where batman is driven, precise and an agent of justice and order, the Joker is a lackadaisical entertainer that does what he pleases simply for the pleasure of it. The situation between the two reminds me of the phrase "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." When they meet, Joker functions as the equal and opposite reaction to everything batman tries to accomplish.

While I have nothing against Rocketman's view of Ledger's Joker, I felt it was a good representation of what I said above and the character in general. That version encompassed everything I like to see from the character (they did much better with the Joker than they did with batman at times). The way he was just suddenly and ambiguously there, his awkward and quirky, but seemingly self-confident demeanor, his look ("nothing on him but knives and lint","clothing was custom, no labels."), the way he was just like "a dog chasing cars." It was great. I thought that scene where he wanders out of the hospital wearing a nurse's dress to blow up a building was just a textbook representation of the character's style of conduct.

Having said that, I think Leto is a great actor and am looking forward to a new Joker. I assume he won't be a copy of Ledger, but some similarities wouldn't bother me because they're too important to leave out.

 

[KillerWolf]

Thanks. If it did seem nasty then it wasn't meant to. In the spirit of peace I'll say sorry if it looked that way. I thought a time machine comment would be obvious as humour. I was going to post a Back to the Future Dyelorean pic but I was too lazy to look for one after posting all the other responses to his points.

Apology accepted.

 

[malnat11]

ok we got this

to look like this

thats how I want Leto's Joker to look like in regards to disappearing in a role. I wouldnt believe you If you had told me that was Heath Ledger playing the Joker before they made a casting announcement.

 

[Darkness Falls]

after watching Dallas Buyers Club i really think leto is going to nail it
amazing performance