Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 10

[Boy Scout]

Thrice.

I wasn't sure whether to include him or not, but I suppose he does count.

In essence it would be, the same way both Ken Wattanabe and Liam Neeson were Ra's.

Sorry? Neeson was the one and only Ra's al Ghul. A cleverly paced decoy doesn't change that.

Maybe not main canon lore but it is loyal to some comic lore; especially a certain comic canon that Affleck's Batman draws inspiration from.

You can't point to isolated incidents to justify an outrageous claim of being true to a character's mythology.

 

[Majik1387]

I wasn't sure whether to include him or not, but I suppose he does count.

He definitely includes mention in my eyes.

Sorry? Neeson was the one and only Ra's al Ghul. A cleverly paced decoy doesn't change that.

Doesn't change it for you maybe, but plenty of Nolanites were fine to the point of creating the theory of Ra's being a title.
I wasn't a fan of the theory.

You can't point to isolated incidents to justify an outrageous claim of being true to a character's mythology.

I can, have, and most likely still will considering it's strong enough evidence that it's a possibility Leto's Joker could be a former Robin whether it be Dick Grayson or Jason Todd or even Tim Drake.

 

[Boy Scout]

He definitely includes mention in my eyes.

I've never given his performance much thought. Maybe I should sit down and watch a few episodes of '66. some time soon.

Doesn't change it for you maybe, but plenty of Nolanites were fine to the point of creating the theory of Ra's being a title.
I wasn't a fan of the theory.

Neither am I.

I can, have, and most likely still will considering it's strong enough evidence that it's a possibility Leto's Joker could be a former Robin whether it be Dick Grayson or Jason Todd or even Tim Drake.

Isolated incidents spread out over several years are considered strong evidence?

 

[Majik1387]

Strong evidence of it being a possibility? Absolutely.

It's not like it was a one time thing; it's a story that's been done very similarly over several years with minor changes in each telling and varying degrees of quality.

 

[Boy Scout]

I mean this in the most respectful way possible: those incidents are evidence of nothing.

 

[Majik1387]

Nothing for you; for others, respectfully, it entirely gives merit to the theory.

No one who supports, or at the very least understands, the theory, just came up with Joker is a former Robin out of thin air.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yes they did. It's a baseless theory with zero justification behind it championed almost exclusively by people who don't want to accept the way The Joker looks.

 

[Majik1387]

Yes they did. It's a baseless theory with zero justification behind it championed almost exclusively by people who don't want to accept the way The Joker looks.

Wrong

 

[The Shape]

I can, have, and most likely still will considering it's strong enough evidence that it's a possibility Leto's Joker could be a former Robin whether it be Dick Grayson or Jason Todd or even Tim Drake.

...I mean, yeah, it's possible that nearly ANYTHING could happen with these characters when looking at random incidents that have taken place more than once throughout 75 years of comic book mythology. Doesn't make this particular scenario any more likely and any less of a pipe dream. Going by your logic, we can come up with a slew of silly, unlikely scenarios for pretty much any DC character appearing in both BvS and SS based on things that have happened with the characters more than once, in various ways, throughout years of mythology.

It really seems that you WANT this Joker to be a former Robin. Is that the case?

 

[Boy Scout]

Wrong

None of the "evidence" you - or any other proponent of the theory, for that matter - have provided has held up under scrutiny. It's all flimsy logic and poor justification and wishful thinking. There is absolutely no logical reason to believe that The Joker could be Jason Todd.

 

[The Joker]

I could buy Leto as being, like, five years younger than Affleck at most.

If I didn't know Leto and someone told me he was in his late 20's I'd believe it. When I see him and Margot Robbie together I can't believe there's nearly a 20 year gap between them. They both look from the same age era.

 

[jmc]

No he does not. He looks like he's at least 10 years younger.

Complete and utter bollocks.

 

[The Joker]

I wouldn't say that, nor is that a popular opinion either. Just Google Leto looking younger than he really is and you can find pages and pages of links like this that say he looks years younger than he actually is.

http://www.examiner.com/article/jared-leto-41-credits-vegan-diet-for-age-defying-good-looks

http://www.muscledudelife.com/jared-leto-looks-years-younger-real-age/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...s-look-like-haven-t-aged-day-past-DECADE.html

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=160086151

http://www.bustle.com/articles/4279-is-jared-leto-even-human-because-he-hasnt-aged-in-20-years

 

[Boom]

Leto simply does not pass as being twenty years younger than Affleck in the context of this role, with the harsh effects of the Joker makeup.

He doesn't have his thick, boyish eyebrows. He has sickly pale skin highlighting every wrinkle in his face. He looks nearly unrecognizable in this role, and his close-up reveal in the trailer shows a man looking much closer to his natural age than not.

So unless we are to assume that a young, rookie Batfleck took in a Jason Todd already on the cusp of adulthood, with ten years between them at most, I'm sorry but the age difference here simple does not add up - especially if we have Dick Grayson to factor into this still.

I sincerely do not see this "half Batman's age" Joker than others seem to be.

Including Jason Todd in this universe without Dick Grayson would be egregious.
Merging Dick Grayson and Jason Todd together into one character, going with Jason's name, and turning him into the Joker would be even moreso.

 

[The Joker]

I'm not champing the Jason Todd idea, but age is not a factor to argue against it. Who says Batman was 20 years older than Todd? According to pre-52 comics Jason was a teen when Batman took him in (around 13 or 14), and 21 when he became Red Hood.

But leaving that aside the movie doesn't have to follow that comic age gap if they were to go down that Jason route. They could have had Bruce take him in when he's late teens if they wanted. And isn't Affleck supposed to be a significantly older Bruce (didn't I see pics of him with grey sideburns?). Isn't this supposed to be DKR inspired?

This movie DC universe is clearly not following traditional timelines. Bruce is an older weathered veteran Batman, whereas Superman is still newish in Metropolis. Unlike in the comics where Batman and Superman appeared around the same time in their respective cities. Unless they are doing a huge time jump between MOS and BvsS?

I mentioned this before but no way do the comics depict a near 20 year age gap between Joker and Harley, but that's the real age gap between Leto and Robbie. So if they can do it there then they could do the same for a Jason Todd Joker if they wanted.

 

[jmc]

This whole thing boils down to confirmation bias. Fans see a theory they like and look for evidence to support it. That said I don't know how anyone in their right mind can seriously say Leto looks any more than 5 years younger than Affleck.

 

[The Joker]

This whole thing boils down to confirmation bias. Fans see a theory they like and look for evidence to support it.

It's got nothing to do with bias. I'm not supporting the Jason theory. I hate it. But I don't see age as a credible argument against it. There's lots of credible ones to shoot it down. That isn't one of them.

That said I don't know how anyone in their right mind can seriously say Leto looks any more than 5 years younger than Affleck.

Frankly it's more surprising to see someone say he doesn't considering Leto's significantly younger looks are the popular opinion, and a great source of admiration and envy. That's why him and the 25 year old Margot Robbie work. Leto looks like he's from her generation.

It looks more like bias to say he doesn't.

 

[Boom]

Bruce is 45 in BvS. I wouldn't say it's "significantly older," certainly not to the extent of TDKR's sixty-year-old depiction of the character.

 

[The Joker]

Bruce is 45 in BvS. I wouldn't say it's "significantly older," certainly not to the extent of TDKR's sixty-year-old depiction of the character.

Bruce was 55 in DKR. And if he's 45 in BvsS, and lets say he took in an 18 year old Jason 15 years ago, that puts Jason at 33 now. Leto could pull off a 30+ year old easily.

 

[Boom]

It's got nothing to do with bias. I'm not supporting the Jason theory. I hate it. But I don't see age as a credible argument against it. There's lots of credible ones to shoot it down. That isn't one of them.



Frankly it's more surprising to see someone say he doesn't considering Leto's significantly younger looks are the popular opinion, and a great source of admiration and envy. That's why him and the 25 year old Margot Robbie work. Leto looks like he's from her generation.

It looks more like bias to say he doesn't.

I'd say the 25-year-old Harley Quinn works because they're going with a sort of twisted "groupie" angle with her. Seems obvious enough that they're playing up a punk rock vibe with these two - perhaps a spin on Leto's "rocker" celebrity. Even Harley's costume is very clearly inspired by a female rocker. And you see young crazy fan-girls swoon over older rockstars all the time. Just look at Leto's Twitter feed .

Pull up a screen cap of Harley Quinn. Pull up a screencap of the Joker from the end of the trailer. They really look like contemporaries to you?

 

[jmc]

It's got nothing to do with bias. I'm not supporting the Jason theory. I hate it. But I don't see age as a credible argument against it. There's lots of credible ones to shoot it down. That isn't one of them.



Frankly it's more surprising to see someone say he doesn't considering Leto's significantly younger looks are the popular opinion, and a great source of admiration and envy. That's why him and the 25 year old Margot Robbie work. Leto looks like he's from her generation.

It looks more like bias to say he doesn't.

Over 10 years younger? Please. And Harley has always looked younger than the Joker so your point about Robbie doesn't hold water.

 

[Boom]

Bruce was 55 in DKR. And if he's 45 in BvsS, and lets say he took in an 18 year old Jason 15 years ago, that puts Jason at 33 now. Leto could pull off a 30+ year old easily.

Can he legally take in an 18-year-old man?

A genuine question. I'm not learned in custody laws.

 

[The Joker]

I'd say the 25-year-old Harley Quinn works because they're going with a sort of twisted "groupie" angle. Seems obvious enough that they're playing up a punk rock vibe with these two - perhaps a spin on Leto's "rocker" celebrity. You see young crazy fan-girls swoons over older rockstars all the time. Just look at Leto's Twitter feed

Pull up a screen cap of Harley Quinn. Pull up a screencap of the Joker from the end of the trailer. They really look like contemporaries to you?

Harley has always been a Joker groupie in the sense of her appearance. She dresses like a clown girl just to please him. I don't see any difference in that sense here except they're going for the more rocker style as you said.

Over 10 years younger? Please.

Yes. You can say please and bollocks all you like, I'm still saying 10 years younger. So does most of the Net. It's one of the things he gets praised about. The amazing healthy lifestyle he lives that makes him look so much younger.

And Harley has always looked younger than the Joker so your point about Robbie doesn't hold water.

Not 20 years younger, or even close to it.

Can he legally take in an 18-year-old man?

A genuine question. I'm not learned in custody laws.

I have no idea. But we can change it to 16 or 17. A year or two makes no difference.

 

[Boom]

Would you say the Animated Series Joker and Harley are the same age?

I've always thought the Joker skewed older in the comics. That's always been my perception anyway. At least in those where the illustrator's artwork allows for such subtlety. See Alex Ross, for instance.

 

[The Joker]

Would you say the Animated Series Joker and Harley are the same age?

The exact same age? No. But not far off. Certainly not even close to 20 years off.

I've always thought the Joker skewed older in the comics. That's always been my perception anyway. At least in those where the illustrator's artwork allows for such subtlety. See Alex Ross, for instance.

So did I. I always thought Joker was older, but not by any significant amount. If there was they would have made some joke about it by now. The age gap. I certainly could see Joker bragging that he scored a gal two decades younger than him.