Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 10

[Boom]

I have no idea. But we can change it to 17. A year makes no difference.

He catches Jason trying to steal the wheels off the Batmobile.

I think there's a pretty significant difference between seeing a troubled young boy in need of parental guidance, and a 17-year-old on the cusp of being a man in his own right.

I mean really. He sees a 17-year-old stealing his tires or committing some other crime and his thinking is, "Hmmm, guess I should take this young man in?"

If Batman were that sympathetic he'd have taken in enough late-teenagers to start a foster home.

The Robin concept works best when they're young, misguided, and impressionable - as it draws a parallel to Bruce's own experiences. It hits a soft spot with him.

A little boy trying to steal the wheels off the Batman's car. What a pitiful sight.

 

[The Joker]

He catches Jason trying to steal the wheels off the Batmobile.

I think there's a pretty significant difference between seeing a troubled young boy in need of parental guidance, and a 17-year-old on the cusp of being a man in his own right.

I mean really. He sees a 17-year-old stealing his tires or committing some other crime and his thinking is, "Hmmm, guess I should take this young man in?"

If Batman were that sympathetic he'd have taken in enough late-teenagers to start a foster home.

The Robin concept works best when they're young, misguided, and impressionable - as it draws a parallel to Bruce's own experiences.

A little boy trying to steal the wheels off the Batman's car. What a pitiful sight.

No different to seeing a 13 year old swiping his tires and saying hmmm will I take him in. 17 year olds commit crimes even more petty than that. Especially if Jason is as you say lacking parental guidance, and also had been living under the influence of a criminal father as he did in the comics.

17 years old is young, and he would be misguided and impressionable. So you've got the whole package still intact. But if 17 sounds too old for you then you could lower the age to 15 and it would still work as that would make him 30 in present day. Heck you could lower it down to 13 or 14, putting him in late 20's, and Leto could pull that off in his sleep.

There's plenty of troubled kids in Gotham. You can argue if Batman is sympathetic enough to take in one stealing his own Batmobile tires, he should be taking in more thieving kids and making them Robins. But it's a moot point. Jason was a teen when Batman met him. So there's no issue there if you're looking for validity on that score.

 

[Boom]

In his everyday life, with his thick boyish eyebrows, hair, and beard? Sure, he's a very youthful-looking man for his age. But this?

Spoiler

That's really our point of contention in this conversation, Joker. That does not look like a man in his late twenties or early thirties to me. Not by any stretch. No eyebrows, gaunt face, defined wrinkles. He looks aged considerably there.

 

[jmc]

For whatever reason crazy fan theories have gotten far more traction in online media in recent years than what they frankly the deserve. Everything from Toy Story, to Frozen, to Back to the future, now this. It's absurd.

 

[The Joker]

In his everyday life, with his thick boyish eyebrows, hair, and beard? Sure, he's a very youthful-looking man for his age. But this?

Spoiler

That's really our point of contention in this conversation, Joker. That does not look like a man in his late twenties or early thirties to me. Not by any stretch. No eyebrows, gaunt face, defined wrinkles. He looks aged considerably there.

We must be looking at different pics. For a start that does not look like a gaunt face to me. Gaunt faces have a hollowness to them. Removing his eyebrows doesn't age him. And as for the wrinkles, I don't see any noticeable ones that stand out and age his face.

He looks like the youngest live action Joker we've had so far IMO. Heath's grungy make up, and receding hairline gave him an older look I always thought. Romero and Nicholson looked their ages.

For whatever reason crazy fan theories have gotten far more traction in online media in recent years than what they frankly the deserve. Everything from Toy Story, to Frozen, to Back to the future, now this. It's absurd.

Terrible how open minded the world has become isn't it

Seriously I told you I am not giving this stupid Jason Joker theory any traction. I don't like it. I don't believe in it, and never have. I don't think it would work at all for many reasons. But age is not one of them. I stand by what people say about Leto looking much younger than he really is, because I think he does. That's the popular opinion. It's why he and Robbie work because he doesn't look two decades older than her when in reality he is. If you don't see that then you don't see it. Age must be like beauty, in the eye of the beholder. But it's not fair to act like people are crazy for thinking it, as though it's some mad idea plucked out of the air. It's one of the things Leto commonly gets admired for. And with good reason.

 

[Boom]

Well there you go.

Agree to disagree, as before.

 

[The Joker]

Well there you go.

Agree to disagree, as before.

At least you're still a consistent respectful class act when you're disagreeing with another P.O.V.

 

[Travesty]

Spoiler

Nice Jason Todd pic.

 

[Majik1387]

 

[Golgo-13]

Nice Jason Todd pic.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

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[Enriquespy]

Jason Todd should start being robing at age 11, tops.

 

[I Am The Knight]

He actually started at 12 if I remember correctly.

 

[Enriquespy]

Never mind that, he can't be older than 3 months.

 

[Boom]

Batman be scouting the maternity ward at Gotham General.

 

[Enriquespy]

Orphan hunting.

 

[sdc10]

The problem is you're looking for an in story reason why The Joker would do this rather than asking why David Ayer would do this, and if the idea is good enough to justify the change. It's not. It's just a lazy way to establish a personal connection between the hero and villain quickly in two hours.

Which is a problem with so many superhero movies i.e. Joker killing batmans parents, dr. doom getting his powers with the FF, sandman killing uncle ben, ras al ghul indirectly being responsible for the deaths of batmans parents (a stretch but still trying to establish some kind of connection), etc.

 

[Slade W]

The problem is you're looking for an in story reason why The Joker would do this rather than asking why David Ayer would do this, and if the idea is good enough to justify the change. It's not. It's just a lazy way to establish a personal connection between the hero and villain quickly in two hours.

I don't believe that the Joker is going to be Jason Todd in these movies. But if the plan was for him to be Jason, wouldn't it be more the higher-ups at DC's idea rather than one director? After all, it wont just be one director handling the Joker in these movies, it will probably be several. Ayer in SS, probably Snyder somewhere down the line and then the Batman solo movie which is out in 2018 or 2019 (I think) which will be directed by Affleck. If the Joker was going to be revealed as Jason (and I don't think he will be because he is not Jason IMO), then it would most likely be in the solo Batman film. There is no way such a reveal would be made in the SS film (as the film is not about Batman and he has limited involvement in it) so it would be unlikely that Ayer would have anything to do with him being Jason or even having any knowledge if he is or not. Genuine question btw (the question I asked in the 2nd sentence of this post) as I really don't know, but it seems more likely to me that it would be the higher-ups at DC's idea rather than any one director if they were going to have such a twist.

 

[Kanye West]

Ayer basically shut the rumor down. Why is it still being talked about

 

[Majik1387]

Where did he shut it down?

 

[Akimych]

Where did he shut it down?

Some kind of one month ago he said:

"Jared is playing Joker who is Harley's brother and Batman's stepfather"

 

[LostSon88]

I knew it...

 

[Guts]

Where did he shut it down?

I think he's referring to this tweet that Ayer Favorited.
https://***********/mallorotten/status/623729188017713152
Although, he could have Favorited it because he wants to fight her instead of agreeing with her on the Jason Todd thing.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

 

[Majik1387]

Some kind of one month ago he said:

"Jared is playing Joker who is Harley's brother and Batman's stepfather"

I think he's referring to this tweet that Ayer Favorited.
https://***********/mallorotten/status/623729188017713152
Although, he could have Favorited it because he wants to fight her instead of agreeing with her on the Jason Todd thing.

I don't see that as "shutting it down"
Just makes him look like he's taking part in the fun of the theory.