Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - Part 13

[hellblazer103]

Leto screen time is

[BLACKOUT]15 mins[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Rodrigo90]

Let's not be... gr... **** DAT!!!

 

[MasterChief2829]

I hope that changes because the marketing makes him out to be a major character. Disappointing

 

[DeadStroke]

I hope that changes because the marketing makes him out to be a major character. Disappointing

Yep...I just hope fans don't become disappointed.

What makes it worse is all the marketing/advertising and all the praise from Ayer in so many articles.....just for him to have that much screen time.

Like I said elsewhere Anthony Hopkins was only on screen for 16 mins. So its more so about how he is used.

But yea they may have did a Leto a disservice by putting him out there so much. The good thing is that they'll have us wanting much more though.

The Joker is used to get people in the theater. Lets hope the Squad makes them enjoy their time there.

 

[terry78]

Yeah, the last trailer makes it out like they actually have to take down Joker. I know why it was done, but it's a marketing ploy.

 

[DeadStroke]

It is interesting that Ayer would make such drastic aesthetic changes to such an iconic character who has that much screen time. I hear it fits the movie well. But I could see them changing his look in Batfleck's solo film.

 

[Victarion]

If Harley's arc is about finding independence, then I wouldn't exactly say the marketing was merely a ploy. Joker's a big part of that. He may not be on screen, but we see the results of his actions in Harley.

 

[The Shape]

Yep...I just hope fans don't become disappointed.

What makes it worse is all the marketing/advertising and all the praise from Ayer in so many articles.....just for him to have that much screen time.

Like I said elsewhere Anthony Hopkins was only on screen for 16 mins. So its more so about how he is used.

But yea they may have did a Leto a disservice by putting him out there so much. The good thing is that they'll have us wanting much more though.

The Joker is used to get people in the theater. Lets hope the Squad makes them enjoy their time there.

The thing is, "that much screen time" (let's say 15-20 mins) is still more than enough time for The Joker to have an important, impactful role in this film. It's also ample time for The Joker to have a looming presence (even when he's off screen) over various aspects of the film, and the film as a whole. The important and impact of main/supporting characters are not measured in minutes of screen time.

Your example of Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs is a great comparison to make here. Just 16 minutes of screen time allowed Hannibal Lector to be one of the main focal points of that story and undoubtedly the most memorable character/aspect of that film. Despite the character having limited screen time and being somewhat removed from the main plot/conflict of the film (the FBI hunting for the Buffalo Bill killer/kidnapper), Hannibal Lecter still has such a huge presence over the entire story. It also earned Hopkins an Oscar. Another good example would be Darth Vader in SW: A New Hope, who only had roughly 12 minutes of screen time in that first film.

Let's also remember that Suicide Squad is essentially an ensemble, team-up film with a group of central characters, and that The Joker has never really been marketed or billed as the main antagonist/conflict for this film. Compared to the 33 minutes of screen time that The Joker has in TDK (a solo Batman film in which The Joker as the primary antagonist was a huge focal point of the film and was involved in virtually every conflict/event in that story) I'd say that Leto's Joker having roughly half that amount of screen time in Suicide Squad is more than enough for the kind of role he'll have.

Beyond that, we're talking about The Joker here, who is arguably one of the most interesting, unique, flamboyant, charismatic, over-the-top, and menacing fictional characters of all time, so any concerns of him being overshadowed or forgotten among the other aspects of this film are unwarranted. I'd say it's literally impossible for The Joker to NOT have an enjoyable, impactful, and memorable role in Suicide Squad -- whether he has 5 minutes or 50 minutes of screen time.

Either way, though, I don't think any of us should be concerned right now, especially since "my friend on FB counted The Joker's screen time in his head" doesn't really equate to a trustworthy, factual statistic.

 

[regwec]

Let's also remember that Suicide Squad is essentially an ensemble, team-up film with a group of central characters, and that The Joker has never really been marketed or billed as the main antagonist/conflict for this film.

I think this is a key point. If each member of the Squad + The Joker + Batman + Waller had 20 mins + screen time, the movie would run for 3 hrs 40 min, excepting shared time. This should also be considered subject to the likelihood that Harley is very much the lead character, with Deadshot in 2nd place.

 

[OutOfBoose]

It's just me being greedy.

 

[The Shape]

I think this is a key point. If each member of the Squad + The Joker + Batman + Waller had 20 mins + screen time, the movie would run for 3 hrs 40 min, excepting shared time. This should also be considered subject to the likelihood that Harley is very much the lead character, with Deadshot in 2nd place.

Correct, and like I said, the importance of a character's role in a story is not measured by the amount of their screen time or how many lines of dialogue they have. This should be plainly obvious for any who avidly watches films, or even casually watches them. That's just not how screenwriting/filmmaking works at all.

Even peripheral characters who appear in just one or two scenes for a few fleeting moments can (and often do) still play integral roles in their over-arching films. Just think about the dozens of characters who had small roles in TDK (Gambol, Maroni, the Chechen, Wuertz, Ramirez, Gordon's son, etc). Despite having very small, seemingly insignificant roles, that film as a whole would be different if any one of those characters were to be removed altogether. They each still have impact and purpose within the story.

Anyway, here are some other interesting screen time factoids:

- The Wicked Witch of the West has just 12 minutes of screen time in The Wizard of Oz, in which she was the primary antagonist and source of conflict
- Beetlejuice, the titular character of that film, only has 17 minutes of screen time
- Thor has only 25 minutes of screen time in the first Avengers film, in which he was a member of the five-person team that the film is centered around

 

[Greens]

If there's one thing I've learned from these early reactions it's that Robbie's Harley is universally praised. Everyone is raving about her. It looks like the spin-off they have planned can go ahead.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Arnold had around 20 minutes of screen time in The Terminator. Not counting the skeleton version.

 

[terry78]

When you consider a movie is about 120 minutes or slightly more or less, having about 15-20 minutes of screen time works.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Almost every scene he's in looks memorable, so I think we should count that as the real blessing.

 

[DeadStroke]

The thing is, "that much screen time" (let's say 15-20 mins) is still more than enough time for The Joker to have an important, impactful role in this film. It's also ample time for The Joker to have a looming presence (even when he's off screen) over various aspects of the film, and the film as a whole. The important and impact of main/supporting characters are not measured in minutes of screen time.

Your example of Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs is a great comparison to make here. Just 16 minutes of screen time allowed Hannibal Lector to be one of the main focal points of that story and undoubtedly the most memorable character/aspect of that film. Despite the character having limited screen time and being somewhat removed from the main plot/conflict of the film (the FBI hunting for the Buffalo Bill killer/kidnapper), Hannibal Lecter still has such a huge presence over the entire story. It also earned Hopkins an Oscar. Another good example would be Darth Vader in SW: A New Hope, who only had roughly 12 minutes of screen time in that first film.

Let's also remember that Suicide Squad is essentially an ensemble, team-up film with a group of central characters, and that The Joker has never really been marketed or billed as the main antagonist/conflict for this film. Compared to the 33 minutes of screen time that The Joker has in TDK (a solo Batman film in which The Joker as the primary antagonist was a huge focal point of the film and was involved in virtually every conflict/event in that story) I'd say that Leto's Joker having roughly half that amount of screen time in Suicide Squad is more than enough for the kind of role he'll have.

Beyond that, we're talking about The Joker here, who is arguably one of the most interesting, unique, flamboyant, charismatic, over-the-top, and menacing fictional characters of all time, so any concerns of him being overshadowed or forgotten among the other aspects of this film are unwarranted. I'd say it's literally impossible for The Joker to NOT have an enjoyable, impactful, and memorable role in Suicide Squad -- whether he has 5 minutes or 50 minutes of screen time.

Either way, though, I don't think any of us should be concerned right now, especially since "my friend on FB counted The Joker's screen time in his head" doesn't really equate to a trustworthy, factual statistic.

Almost every scene he's in looks memorable, so I think we should count that as the real blessing.

Don't want to dip into spoiler territory. How they divvy up those mins is interesting to say the least.

We'll judge for ourselves though. As its been mentioned in another thread they're still adding and removing scenes.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Don't want to dip into spoiler territory. How they divvy up those mins is interesting to say the least.

We'll judge for ourselves though. As its been mentioned in another thread they're still adding and removing scenes.

I hope they don't bugger it up

 

[DeadStroke]

One of my favorite Joker related movies was Mask of Phantasm. I'm sure Joker wasn't technically in the movie that much, but it was great.

So yea it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

One of my favorite Joker related movies was Mask of Phantasm. I'm sure Joker wasn't technically in the movie that much, but it was great.

So yea it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

[The Shape]

Don't want to dip into spoiler territory. How they divvy up those mins is interesting to say the least.

We'll judge for ourselves though. As its been mentioned in another thread they're still adding and removing scenes.

Shame that you've already spoiled the movie for yourself.

 

[DeadStroke]

........

 

[matt47]

OWwwwwwwwwwhhhhhh yes!

 

[Guts]

I hope that is a BTS pic and the actual shot is closer, because Jared's tattoo is showing.

 

[MasterChief2829]

lol @ Jared's actual tats showing. They were showing in the grenade scene too... makeup fail first of all, but a fail again for not at least photoshopping those out for promo pics :S

better quality:

 

[Chip Chipperson]

who cares really, he's already covered in them as it is

not like seeing one of his actual tattoos is going to ruin anything