Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - Part 14

[tanita_mors]

it's been 8 years. that isn't soon. soon would have been if leto played the joker in the dark knight rises. and while i agree that ledger was brilliant in the role, i've always felt that the mysticism and it being iconic comes in a large part because he died after it. i mean, he is gone. he will never be the joker again. should the role been shelved for all time ? that is like saying that no actor could ever play sherlock holmes after jeremy brett died. and yet, 3 have and all 3 have been good in their own way.

and leto isn't playing the same exact character. his joker will be someone completely different, his circumstances different, the fact that he has a companion in harley,.... it's a different character with the name joker. the comparisons end there for me at least. it's like who do you prefer as a favorite/more effective villain. most people love kingpin in netflix's daredevil or loki. me, i adore killgrave all the way and he is head and shoulders above the rest of disney's marvel for me.

also, i wonder, would ledger's joker have worked in suicide squad or dceu ??? how would they have integrated him with harely, would her backstory be the same as in this movie or different ??? would their relationship been different or same to this joker and harley ????

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

8 years is pretty soon RELATIVELY speaking. Especially for a performance as lauded as his (I mean a superhero character that got an Oscar!) plus with his death it makes that even more difficult

Note because obviously I cannot be clear enough, I am not saying that Ledger is the be all end all of that there shouldn't be other interpretations of the character. However it is understandable why people would be a little hesitant when it was first announced.

And again, I wasn't even concerned so much with another Joker as I was concerned that this would not be a new and interesting interpretation. With Hollywood seemingly run out of ideas I was worried they would more readily borrow from previous interoretations and not be serious over making it unique and exciting. The last thing anyone wanted was something sub par

 

[tanita_mors]

the thing is, all this is very subjective. who is the better joker ??? i think people need to go in it with an open mind because if you have a predisposition that ledger is the greatest, then i fear that those people would not enjoy themselves or wouldn't let themselves enjoy leto's performance - they will be looking for flaw and i'm sure they will find them. at the end of the day, i personally don't really care - i just want him to work in the movie, have chemistry with harley and just not be lame like 90 % of villains in comic book movies today. it's the biggest overall weakness in most of them.

 

[Boom]

I'm just hoping people don't resort to knocking Ledger to prop up Leto. Like a new shiny toy comes along so suddenly we're bored with the old one.

Can the hype around Ledger's performance be overblown at times? Sure. I still have friends who believe the role drove him to suicide, which apparently endows the performance with a morbid sense of grandeur. But regardless of what external forces helped make it as such, it is an iconic performance that will go down as one of the best cinematic villains of all time. Fifty years from now, people will still be talking about it. It was a true pop culture juggernaut that you don't see very often. He deserved all the accolades that came his way.

All I need from Leto and Ayer is a good performance and a good characterization. I don't need him "topping" Ledger, nor do I need him winning awards for it. Just do right by the character and give us something entertaining.

 

[The Shape]

Same goes for the people who knock Leto to prob up Ledger, or the people who feel the need to compare everything about Leto's Joker with Ledger's, weighing one against the other.

I'm as big a fan of Ledger's Joker as anyone here. It was an amazing, pitch-perfect, iconic portrayal and an incredible interpretation of The Joker character that will undoubtedly stand the test of time. However, any true (and reasonable) fan should be able to admit that Ledger's portrayal is not the "be-all and end-all" Joker performance, and it is certainly far from the ONLY way The Joker can be portrayed and characterized.

Based on what we know and have seen, Leto's Joker seems to be an interpretation that is as valid as Ledger's, Nicholson's, Romero's, etc.

 

[Karelia]

I just "accidentally" saw the Batmobile chase clip. Felt like the animated series turned live action. I'm so stoked for it. Love Leto's laugh.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

I don't compare them because I feel like the universes their performances were a part of were completely different

Nicholsons story was more about Jack Napier becoming Joker which was interesting as it gave him some depth

Ledgers performance was more of a realistic interpretation, set in a more realistic universe without the mythology from the comics. His was the terrorist and anarchist with no past which made him slightly scarier but a little less relatable

Legos seems to be a bit more psychotic, a bit more faithful to the comics. We don't get the background of Napier like in Nicholsons but we do get his relationship with Harley which humanize a him. The tattoos give him a different edge but suggest he is more aware of his insanity and embraces it which is again unique. His is more flamboyant than Ledger which fits with thus universe but less silly then Nicholsons which fits the grittier world from Tim Burton's

So really it isn't about which one is better. Not one would work in the other's universe, what matters is do they fully encompass the character and does it fit in the universe they are in

 

[OutOfBoose]

I just "accidentally" saw the Batmobile chase clip. Felt like the animated series turned live action. I'm so stoked for it. Love Leto's laugh.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[tanita_mors]

who wants to bet that a running gag of this cinematic universe is going to be that batman keeps ruining date night for harley and the joker.

 

[Wildcard]

Same goes for the people who knock Leto to prob up Ledger, or the people who feel the need to compare everything about Leto's Joker with Ledger's, weighing one against the other.

I'm as big a fan of Ledger's Joker as anyone here. It was an amazing, pitch-perfect, iconic portrayal and an incredible interpretation of The Joker character that will undoubtedly stand the test of time. However, any true (and reasonable) fan should be able to admit that Ledger's portrayal is not the "be-all and end-all" Joker performance, and it is certainly far from the ONLY way The Joker can be portrayed and characterized.

Based on what we know and have seen, Leto's Joker seems to be an interpretation that is as valid as Ledger's, Nicholson's, Romero's, etc.

This is exactly how I feel. I'm not going to tear down one version to up another, no matter how much I love that particular portrayal. All I'm hoping for is something great that shows the actor was dedicated.

And Leto looks like he's hit all of those marks so I'm a happy customer. Comparing him to Heath or Nicholson or Romero or Hamill is kind of a disservice, anyway. They all set out to do their own thing, and it worked beautifully.

We should all just be happy we've had a string of actors embody this character and they all gave a damn. They wanted to be there, they wanted to push the envelope. Debating about who's better is a slap in the face to all of them, even the person you're trying to especially up.

 

[The Joker]

I'm just hoping people don't resort to knocking Ledger to prop up Leto. Like a new shiny toy comes along so suddenly we're.

That is guaranteed to happen somewhat. It always does when a new version of something comes along. New Spider-Man franchise, the Raimi ones get bashed. New Superman movie, the Reeve/Donner movies get bashed etc.

 

[Guts]

That is guaranteed to happen somewhat. It always does when a new version of something comes along. New Spider-Man franchise, the Raimi ones get bashed. New Superman movie, the Reeve/Donner movies get bashed etc.

The subject of the Dark Knight batsuit came up a lot in the BvS boards when Ben Affleck's batsuit was revealed.

 

[Boom]

To be fair, that suit always had its fair share of detractors, myself included.

 

[DeadStroke]

To be fair, that suit always had its fair share of detractors, myself included.

I know you didn't like BvS. Are you still interested in Affleck's solo Batman movie though?

 

[Boom]

I know you didn't like BvS. Are you still interested in Affleck's solo Batman movie though?

Of course. I trust Affleck as a filmmaker. And it sounds like he really wants to tackle the detective side of the character. I'm completely on board with that.

 

[Knight-Tale]

People **** on Nicholson's Joker when Heath came along and the same thing happened to ceasar romero(although him not cutting his mustache made it hard not to) so I won't be surprised if the same thing happens here

Only time will tell
eventually you'll have a Joker war between all the different takes

 

[Jekecy]

People **** on Nicholson's Joker when Heath came along and the same thing happened to ceasar romero(although him not cutting his mustache made it hard not to) so I won't be surprised if the same thing happens here

Only time will tell
eventually you'll have a Joker war between all the different takes

I doubt Heath will get too much of a beatdown, it's one of those few indisputably masterful performances. If anything his only downside will be it's not too close to the Joker found in the books and other media. But that has little to do with Heath.

 

[Slade W]

I doubt Heath will get too much of a beatdown, it's one of those few indisputably masterful performances. If anything his only downside will be it's not too close to the Joker found in the books and other media. But that has little to do with Heath.

There was plenty from the comics in Ledger's Joker.

 

[DeadStroke]

@BrunaMelani didn't like the joker at all, but liked his relationship with Harley. Joker isn't in it much.

— Jon Sosis (@FunnyJS) July 29, 2016

@BrunaMelani he was really dark and weird in a film that was mostly fun. Felt out of place and he was a side story. Wish they kept him out.

— Jon Sosis (@FunnyJS) July 29, 2016



lol my worry is that Leto feels like he's in another movie. Or fits the tone of the Comic Con trailer.

 

[Rodrigo90]

 

[tanita_mors]

for it being like in another movie, personally, i never found joker all that funny. he is an evil sadistic **** and him making jokes ain't wiping that of my mind.

 

[The Joker]

When does the review embargo lift for SS?

 

[DeadStroke]

for it being like in another movie, personally, i never found joker all that funny. he is an evil sadistic **** and him making jokes ain't wiping that of my mind.

I found Jack's Joker hilarious.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I found Jack's Joker hilarious.

Jack's Joker was hilarious.

There's moments where Heath is being brazen in TDK, I couldn't help but chuckle at.

 

[MasterChief2829]

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