Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - Part 15

[The Infernal]

They can't market it as a "director's cut." Ayer has gone on the record as saying the theatrical cut is his cut.

I don't think that's legally binding.



Honestly though I'm kinda on the fence about any director's cut. It wouldn't be the first time someone said one thing and did another, but I feel whether we get another cut or a ton of DVD extra deleted scenes that the theatrical cut will still be the one we got and what the DCCU uses going forth.

 

[Venom 1988]

Having just seen the movie, I think this love sick puppy dressed in ugly gangster garb was not the Joker. I'm not sure how much story was missing from the cuts, but what they left it gave us the worst on screen version of the Joker, and one of the worst versions in general.

He had not got one memorable or menacing moment. I wouldn't be at all scared to be left in a room with this guy. Just kiss his bling rings on his hand and you're fine. He was completely unnecessary to the plot. The back story with Harley was rushed and didn't feel organic at all. There was no sense of anticipation for the character to return when he wasn't on the screen, in fact I forgot about him when he wasn't on screen. That says a lot considering I was watching Harley most of the time.

They butchered the Joker/Harley relationship. Not just from Joker's perspective of his sole goal being to simply be reunited with her. But also from Harley's perspective. When Enchantress showed what each of the Squad wanted most in the world, they showed Harley envisioning her looking normal, in a normal house, with normal looking babies, and married to a tender loving normal looking Jared Leto.

That left an awful taste in my mouth. It implies Harley doesn't love Joker exactly the way he is and would rather he be normal than a freaky clown. When Harley fantasizes about settling down with Joker, this is the sort of thing she should be seeing;

Ayer has not got a clue about the Joker, or the Joker/Harley relationship. Just awful. Leto was totally forgettable.

Was waiting for what your thought were gonna be. I'll be watching this tonight.

 

[FunkMiller]

Reading the deleted Joker scenes, this IS the Joker. He would have beat Heath easily in my mind with those scenes. Why I'm so excited to see where he goes from here. He was the clown prince of crime.



Call it the Joker Cut. You get a heck of a lot of money with it labeled as that.

You read stuff about deleted scenes, and think that means his Joker is better than Ledger's?

Okay......

 

[harlequinade]

I liked Jared's interpretation of the character better than Ledger's. But Ledger's performance is one of the greatest ever, Jared has potential but this was...cameo

 

[bapi]

Ayer's cut would be basically 'alternative' and that's something what studios don't like. If they release it and it's much better then they'll look really stupid. Plus TC should be their DCCU canon so if in director's cut this J/HQ relationship is totally different...

I think BvS basically added subplots and some bits but it didn't really change characterizations or who appears in what scenes. This one seems more delicate. Ayer would probably remove most of songs they used too.

 

[Kyle]

You read stuff about deleted scenes, and think that means his Joker is better than Ledger's?

Okay......

No. Already from what I saw he already had potential. Heath I absolutely never saw coming close to Hamil and we've seen everything from him. From just seeing a short amount from Leto, I can say what I never could for Heath - he can reach Mark Hamil levels. My only problem was him not hitting Harley. Heath to me, while the best to that date was a huge fall away from the comics and Mark. Leto from what I saw could potentially reach that.

 

[bapi]

No. Already from what I saw he already had potential. Heath I absolutely never saw coming close to Hamil and we've seen everything from him. From just seeing a short amount from Leto, I can say what I never could for Heath - he can reach Mark Hamil levels.

I'm not sure why so many people love Hamill's extremely cartoonish Joker. He's fine for a 90s animated series but why would anyone want to see it in a live action movie 25 years later? Hmm.

 

[The Joker]

Was waiting for what your thought were gonna be. I'll be watching this tonight.

My advice; go in with rock bottom expectations for this pitiful excuse for the Joker.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Hey ya can't win 'em all, I loved Leto's Joker.

 

[Kyle]

I'm not sure why so many people love Hamill's extremely cartoonish Joker. He's fine for a 90s animated series but why would anyone want to see it in a live action movie 25 years later? Hmm.

Because he was the Joker. A scary psychopath who perverts innocence. He turns to toys, amusement parks and toy factories as his hide aways. Batman takes the scary and shows the light in it. Joker takes the good and makes it a nightmare. Why an anarchist who cracks jokes was never the Joker to me, should have been a million times darker. He should be someone we imagine in nightmares, Heath wasn't. To me while better than Nicholson far over rated. Should have been pushed further. 'The Killing Joke' once again proves why there's one and only one Joker. Heath never scared me, even in the slightest. Mark and Leto, felt chills.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Hey ya can't win 'em all, I loved Leto's Joker.

You stop that immediately.

 

[dark_b]

i think this was the original cut
-flashback with Harley and Joker in the car. when batman is on the rooftop Harley tells the Joker that she can not swim. the scene while short makes it very clear that Joker drives the car in the river and left her there just so he could get away from batman.
-Joker in the apartment. he ask for Harley like she is a thing and not a person. like he needs her.
a small detail. there are baby clothes on the floor. Harley has a vision that she has two kids with him. what if Harley was pregnant and lost her baby? In his aparment he has everything that he needs. weapons,knifes,computer,jester suit for Harley and baby clothes. hey this is a movie and there are no coincidences.

-Harley's origin flashback. you can see that WB tryed to hide with editing how Joker tryed to manipulate her in a more aggressive way to jump.
-Helicopter scene. we will never know but i think there is a chance he pushed her out of the helicopter. while sitting in the rain she removes her pudding choker. in the movie its presented like she thinks he died and is sad . and because of that she would remove the choker?
-this scene was filmed. its on the stairs where they defeated Enchantress. he has a burned face because of the helicopter crash. the scene looks like the joker tells the squad bye bye and escapes. so this is another scene where the Joker on purpose left Harley behind.

IMO the original cut was faithful to the relationship from the cartoon and comics. The joker was more evil and more selfish. but WB changed it.

 

[hellblazer103]

Because he was the Joker. A scary psychopath who perverts innocence. He turns to toys, amusement parks, and toy factories as his hide aways. Batman takes the scary and shows the light in it. Joker takes the good and makes it a nightmare. Why an anarchist who cracks jokes was never the Joker to me, should have been a million times darker. He should be someone we imagine in nightmares, Heath wasn't. To me while better than Nicholson far over rated. Should have been pushed further. 'The Killing Joke' once again proves why there's one and only one Joker.

1.) Wearing the uniform of a nurse, one who helps people, in order to sneak into a hospital and blow it up isn't a perversion of innocence?

2.) "Heath's Joker wasn't dark enough..." Yeah, okay.

3.) You mention The Killing Joke when that comic was one of the primary inspirations for Heath's Joker.

 

[Greens]

You stop that immediately.

What movie is your avatar from?

 

[Astro13Zombie]

What movie is your avatar from?

 

[The Joker]

1.) Wearing the uniform of a nurse, one who helps people, in order to sneak into a hospital and blow it up isn't a perversion of innocence?

Or dressing up as a Cop to assassinate the Mayor.

3.) You mention The Killing Joke when that comic was one of the primary inspirations for Heath's Joker.

Most definitely;

Except Joker broadened his horizons in TDK and didn't just try and break one man, he tried it on ferries full of people, and Dent of course (and succeeded).

 

[FunkMiller]

My advice; go in with rock bottom expectations for this pitiful excuse for the Joker.

Some will no doubt despise me for saying this, but Ledger's Joker would eat Leto's alive.

 

[Kyle]

1.) Wearing the uniform of a nurse, one who helps people, in order to sneak into a hospital and blow it up isn't a perversion of innocence?

2.) "Heath's Joker wasn't dark enough..." Yeah, okay.

3.) You mention The Killing Joke when that comic was one of the primary inspirations for Heath's Joker.

Yeah, not dark enough. Villains have been wearing costumes for ages to sneak into places. So that sets that Joker up different how exactly? They had a chance with the bus, but there should have been DEAD KIDS on that bus. Yeah he wasn't dark enough, my opinion deal with it or what are you one of those insecure people who gets scared any time someone doesn't agree with them? You liked it, good for you - I didn't. Used as inspiration but didn't deliver on the chills Mark gave the material, Heath just wasn't scary. He was an anarchist in a clown costume that tried too much to ground the Joker and in the process got away from what makes him scary. I can't see that Joker taking thrills in a giant piano. Mark and Leto so far I can see that. I can see them killing kids and enjoying it. You say "that's not Joker!" we have a completely different understanding.

 

[Greens]

Some will no doubt despise me for saying this, but Ledger's Joker would eat Leto's alive.

Based on what we have now... agreed. In the future... who knows.

 

[The Joker]

Some will no doubt despise me for saying this, but Ledger's Joker would eat Leto's alive.

Cesar Romero would eat him alive, or feed him to his giant clam

 

[Leenie]

Some will no doubt despise me for saying this, but Ledger's Joker would eat Leto's alive.

110% accurate. No question.

 

[Kane52630]

Cesar Romero would eat him alive, or feed him to his giant clam

Right before he challenges him to a surf board competition.

 

[idiot09]

We cant really compare Leto and Ledgers Joker because a lot of the greatness of Ledger's Joker came from the absolutely brilliant writing.I think performance wise they were both different and interesting takes.Very eager to see how Leto does with better script.

 

[Greens]

Right before he challenges him to a surf board competition.

That was the post-credits scene they cut.

 

[hellblazer103]

Yeah, not dark enough. Villains have been wearing costumes for ages to sneak into places. So that sets that Joker up different how exactly? They had a chance with the bus, but there should have been DEAD KIDS on that bus. Yeah he wasn't dark enough, my opinion deal with it or what are you one of those insecure people who gets scared any time someone doesn't agree with them? You liked it, good for you - I didn't. Used as inspiration but didn't deliver on the chills Mark gave the material, Heath just wasn't scary. He was an anarchist in a clown costume that tried too much to ground the Joker and in the process got away from what makes him scary. I can't see that Joker taking thrills in a giant piano. Mark and Leto so far I can see that. I can see them killing kids and enjoying it. You say "that's not Joker!" we have a completely different understanding.

this alone is ten times more intimidating than the entirety of Leto's screentime.

https://youtu.be/dHhZtBDtqxo