Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - Part 15

[Astro13Zombie]

Beautiful

 

[BatSpider]

I would love a movie that has the same vibe/atmosphere as that strip club/gold room scene did. It was "so intense!"

 

[tanita_mors]

Beautiful

a friend i went with is positively in love with jared as the joker. she wants to go and see it again just for his 10 or so minutes of screen time.

 

[Quasimod0]

To me, this Joker was off-putting in a bad way, both in his look and his performance. Ledger and Nicholson were magnetic and really fun to watch. This Joker felt like a weird creep and I wouldn't really wanna watch him for a whole movie. He was not scary or threatening. That's just how I feel, unfortunately. I had really high hopes for Leto.

 

[DeadStroke]

The make-up is the same, but the lighting and color grading are different. I agree it looks better.

Still think he looked great in the Comic Con trailer. Seems that was a different color grade as well.

 

[DeadStroke]

"I spoke to a writer and we discussed David Bowie a bit, not necessarily the music of David, but his class, his elegance, his timelessness," Leto told NME. "I don't wanna say who the guy was, but he's a famous writer in the world of DC. Bowie was definitely one of the people we spoke about."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/jared-letos-joker-was-inspired-by-david-bowie

I'm guessing he's referring to Grant Morrison.

 

[metaphysician]

Somebody - I presume Ayer - sat down and seriously thought that this would be a good motivation for the Joker to have in a movie. The Joker.

Nah, if I had to make a guess, it was the WB execs. It sounds like exactly the kind of thing a risk-averse executive focus group would decide to change to make it "lighter".

Ayer may have had Joker pursuing Harley Quinn, but at least he originally had the relationship be genuinely screwed up and abusive ( and apparently ending with Joker ditching her and everyone with a grenade? ).

 

[tanita_mors]

Does that mean that in his cut the ending was different, or did he still break into Bellereve and rescued her ??? Because that would have been really schizophrenic, then again it would work with their whole love/hate relationship.

 

[Guts]

Somebody - I presume Ayer - sat down and seriously thought that this would be a good motivation for the Joker to have in a movie. The Joker.

Nah, if I had to make a guess, it was the WB execs. It sounds like exactly the kind of thing a risk-averse executive focus group would decide to change to make it "lighter".

Ayer may have had Joker pursuing Harley Quinn, but at least he originally had the relationship be genuinely screwed up and abusive ( and apparently ending with Joker ditching her and everyone with a grenade? ).

Yeah, one of the deleted scenes said that Joker pushes her out of the helicopter before it was shot down.

 

[Smilodon]

Does that mean that in his cut the ending was different, or did he still break into Bellereve and rescued her ??? Because that would have been really schizophrenic, then again it would work with their whole love/hate relationship.

I think we can assume that the rescue was part of the reshoots in order to fix the whole, abusive angle of their relationship to something more vanilla and less offensive to the world.

 

[tanita_mors]

maybe. i can't remember how the movie ends in those early reports before the re-shoots.

 

[metaphysician]

Does that mean that in his cut the ending was different, or did he still break into Bellereve and rescued her ??? Because that would have been really schizophrenic, then again it would work with their whole love/hate relationship.

Well, the one theory I saw is that the original ending was basically a giant three way fight between the Enchantress and her mooks, Joker and *his* mooks, and the Squad. . . and there was no "conquer the world" element, just Enchantress wanting to be free, the Joker wanting to make chaos, and the Squad trying to not-die.

 

[tanita_mors]

no, i mean the very end. they do end up back in prison, i just don't remember if he breaks her out of if she stays with the rest. the fact is, suicied squad needs harley's star power, i doubt the sequel would work without her. she and the joker could be the targets in it if it ever gets made.

 

[Jekecy]

To me, this Joker was off-putting in a bad way, both in his look and his performance. Ledger and Nicholson were magnetic and really fun to watch. This Joker felt like a weird creep and I wouldn't really wanna watch him for a whole movie. He was not scary or threatening. That's just how I feel, unfortunately. I had really high hopes for Leto.

Leto's talented and committed enough that I'm willing to give him another shot with a different story/director. As much as I was off-put by his performance here, the editing and lack of character did him no favors.

There's still lots of potential without changing a single thing.

 

[idiot09]

no, i mean the very end. they do end up back in prison, i just don't remember if he breaks her out of if she stays with the rest. the fact is, suicied squad needs harley's star power, i doubt the sequel would work without her. she and the joker could be the targets in it if it ever gets made.

No the very ending i.e the prison escape is the same in both cuts I believe.

 

[Quasimod0]

Leto's talented and committed enough that I'm willing to give him another shot with a different story/director. As much as I was off-put by his performance here, the editing and lack of character did him no favors.

There's still lots of potential without changing a single thing.

I'm definitely interested to see him give it another shot. It just didn't work for me in this particular movie. Maybe with some more focus he'd be better, but as of now I'm not sold.

 

[Guts]

No the very ending i.e the prison escape is the same in both cuts I believe.

The shot of the prison wall exploding was also in the comic con trailer from last year. I guess it also goes with Margot's comments about her being frustrated to see that a character like Harley is still obsessed and always goes back to him even though he abuses her.

 

[Guts]

Well, the one theory I saw is that the original ending was basically a giant three way fight between the Enchantress and her mooks, Joker and *his* mooks, and the Squad. . . and there was no "conquer the world" element, just Enchantress wanting to be free, the Joker wanting to make chaos, and the Squad trying to not-die.

I think that is probably true. One of the deleted parts was Katana looking at her sword after taking a soul into it and I guess those monsters that Enchantress makes have no souls so maybe it was after she killed some of Joker's men.

 

[tanita_mors]

that would have been to much for the GA. he manipulates her to fall in love, electroshocks her, makes her kill someone in cold blood, slaps her, goes after her in the acid bath, they make out, he kills someone out of jealousy, leaves her to drown, looks for her the entire movie, pushes her out of the helicopter, fights the skward and enchantress for her, throws a bomb at everyone to escape and then breaks her out of prison. makes my head spin just writing it all out. imagine watching all that and not know what the hell is going on. it's all classic joker, but my god....

 

[Etienne]

I can't quite put my finger on what bothers me the most about Letoker, maybe it was the growling, the non threatening raspy voice, or just bad editing. All I know is that this version of the Joker was lacking what I feel every incarnation of the character should have, and that's presence.

For as cool as it was would the movie have suffered if it was removed? Not at all. The Joker ended up taking up a lot of space in the runtime and nothing more. It's a shame too because he's a dynamic character that should have had more to do.

What really bugged me was no one else on the Suicide Squad nor the government cronies ever really acknowledged the Joker as a problem. There was a weird disconnect between his existence and the rest of Task Force X. Almost like they were in separate movies.

Bingo! In a movie like this with so many wildcard villains, The Joker has to be the baddest of them all, the most threatening even if he's not apart of the Suicide Squad. The criminal underworld certainly knew about him but beyond that he's not really a real threat. I would have liked Waller to at least make note of him somehow.

 

[MasterChief2829]

 

[harryoscop]

That's actually quite terrifying

 

[tanita_mors]

where the frame from ??? it's clearly from the cut chase scene with joker/harley.

 

[DeadStroke]

That's actually quite terrifying

That actually looks very Joker.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Too dark for the kiddies, was it?