Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - Part 15

[The Joker]

The scene with him laughing in his circle of knives and **** reminded me of the pretentious BS that Snyder tries to pass off in his movies as "creative" and "deep."

It was just the Joker laughing around knives. So he's crazy? Yeah, got that. It didn't develop his character any. It was just weird.

That was a major issue with this Joker. They were blatantly trying way too hard to make him seem edgy and scary, and worst of all failing miserably. All those quick cuts, and pinky glowing lighting, and blurry imagery of him like in the hurt you really really bad scene with Harley. It was like 'Ooooh look how crazy this Joker is with all this trippy imagery and lighting'.

Somebody - I presume Ayer - sat down and seriously thought that this would be a good motivation for the Joker to have in a movie. The Joker.

If it was then it proves Ayer has no grasp on the character at all. Joker wouldn't be pining for Harley, or putting time and effort into hunting her down unless he wanted something off her.

But this was played simply as him wanting his gf back. Joker was neutered into a love sick puppy.

It nonetheless is one note and safe. Neither which the Joker should be.

Exactly. Not to mention flies in the face of how Joker treats Harley.

To me, this Joker was off-putting in a bad way, both in his look and his performance. Ledger and Nicholson were magnetic and really fun to watch. This Joker felt like a weird creep and I wouldn't really wanna watch him for a whole movie. He was not scary or threatening. That's just how I feel, unfortunately. I had really high hopes for Leto.

I agree. Not a single iota of menacing vibe off him. Not one memorable moment. No wow factor. He was just....there. This was not a screen time issue because everyone here agreed that a lack of screen time is not an issue to provide a memorable good performance, as Lecter's 15 minutes in The Silence of the Lambs was frequently referenced.

But Leto didn't deliver anything memorable in any of his scenes. The quality just wasn't there.

Disagree. Joker is supposed to be funny and charismatic. That's part of the reason why he's resonated with so many people, and why he's considered to be one of the greatest villains of all time.

Joker is definitely meant to be funny. Whether its some camp humor like pulling a long barrel gun out of his pants like Nicholson, or more dark humor like the pencil trick in TDK. Or just being generally quirky funny and witty e.g.

Gambol: "You think you can steal from us and just walk away?"
Joker: "Yeah"

Bruce: "Let me tell you about this guy I know, Jack. Mean kid, bad seed, hurt people"
Joker: "I like him already"

Letoker was completely unfunny, and his attempts at being witty fell flat. "Ooooh this big hunka hunka wants to meet you, Harley". Groan.

 

[DeadStroke]

Yeah, Joker may look like a clown but by rights he shouldnt really be funny; I mean, according to TKJ he supposedly sucked when he was a stand-up comedian. Anywhoo, I liked this movie version. He's back to being a crime boss again; only a highly charismatic super-villain crime boss who's less Al Capone and more a virtual force of nature.

sounds good.

I think Leto's Joker voice is somewhat based on James Cagney from his gangster films in the 30s/40s.

I remember an interview where he said it'll seem like the Joker is a lot older than you think.

 

[Brian Braddock]

There were a few line deliveries that reminded me of Cagney.

 

[Bats123]

Letoker was completely unfunny, and his attempts at being witty fell flat. "Ooooh this big hunka hunka wants to meet you, Harley". Groan.

Not gonna lie, he sounded like Jim Carrey there...

 

[Chip Chipperson]

If someone ever remakes 'The Mask,' Jared Leto should be the top choice for that role

 

[tanita_mors]

i hope not. it was one of my favorite movies as a kid and then i watched a few years back as an adult, and .... that doesn't hold up at all. no need for a remake.

 

[gwynplaine]

There were a few line deliveries that reminded me of Cagney.

There also was the same kind of glee as Paul Muni in the original Scarface when he was shooting the machine gun. I could also maybe see a Fred Astaire vibe in the way he looked and moved in the "Alex Ross tuxedo."

 

[Timebomb]

That was a major issue with this Joker. They were blatantly trying way too hard to make him seem edgy and scary, and worst of all failing miserably. All those quick cuts, and pinky glowing lighting, and blurry imagery of him like in the hurt you really really bad scene with Harley. It was like 'Ooooh look how crazy this Joker is with all this trippy imagery and lighting'.



If it was then it proves Ayer has no grasp on the character at all. Joker wouldn't be pining for Harley, or putting time and effort into hunting her down unless he wanted something off her.

But this was played simply as him wanting his gf back. Joker was neutered into a love sick puppy.



Exactly. Not to mention flies in the face of how Joker treats Harley.



I agree. Not a single iota of menacing vibe off him. Not one memorable moment. No wow factor. He was just....there. This was not a screen time issue because everyone here agreed that a lack of screen time is not an issue to provide a memorable good performance, as Lecter's 15 minutes in The Silence of the Lambs was frequently referenced.

But Leto didn't deliver anything memorable in any of his scenes. The quality just wasn't there.



Joker is definitely meant to be funny. Whether its some camp humor like pulling a long barrel gun out of his pants like Nicholson, or more dark humor like the pencil trick in TDK. Or just being generally quirky funny and witty e.g.

Gambol: "You think you can steal from us and just walk away?"
Joker: "Yeah"

Bruce: "Let me tell you about this guy I know, Jack. Mean kid, bad seed, hurt people"
Joker: "I like him already"

Letoker was completely unfunny, and his attempts at being witty fell flat. "Ooooh this big hunka hunka wants to meet you, Harley". Groan.

That was one of my big problems. The quick cuts and the frenetic imagery to try and hit us over the head that this Joker is trippy and insane. That and the hammy performance was just too way over the top.

 

[Wildcard]

sounds good.

I think Leto's Joker voice is somewhat based on James Cagney from his gangster films in the 30s/40s.

I remember an interview where he said it'll seem like the Joker is a lot older than you think.

Yeah, which is why I thought it makes sense for him to have the tattoos and what not. The Joker has always taken cues from the gangsters of the current era he was in. No different here, really.

 

[MasterChief2829]

Not gonna lie, he sounded like Jim Carrey there...

I blame that on Ayer, pretty dumb line

 

[RadioSha]

I liked the Joker in this movie

Beef? Beeeeeeeeeef.

 

[Guts]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/jared-letos-joker-was-inspired-by-david-bowie

I'm guessing he's referring to Grant Morrison.

Jared doesn't need to be coy about what DC writer he talked to. I think last year Grant said he had a meeting with Jared.

 

[The Joker]

I'd love to hear what Morrison thinks of this neutered puppy dog Joker. He gave his opinion on Ledger back in 2008, so I hope he does here, too.

 

[Penguin]

Joker is definitely meant to be funny. Whether its some camp humor like pulling a long barrel gun out of his pants like Nicholson, or more dark humor like the pencil trick in TDK. Or just being generally quirky funny and witty e.g.

Gambol: "You think you can steal from us and just walk away?"
Joker: "Yeah"

Bruce: "Let me tell you about this guy I know, Jack. Mean kid, bad seed, hurt people"
Joker: "I like him already"

Letoker was completely unfunny, and his attempts at being witty fell flat. "Ooooh this big hunka hunka wants to meet you, Harley". Groan.

Exactly! It wouldn’t be the Joker if he wasn’t funny; it’s a fundamental part of the character.

 

[Guts]

I really do hope they put those scenes back in the movie so Joker isn't just some guy in love.

 

[The Shape]

I liked the Joker in this movie

Beef? Beeeeeeeeeef.

How dare you.

 

[Timebomb]

Let's just put this 9 minutes of Joker behind us. Forget about it, let him swim with the fishes see.
Change him out for a different actor in the solo movie and get rid of the tattoos and grill . Please. We can move beyond this. Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[RadioSha]

Ledger's Joker is scarier.

Leto's Joker seems to be more dangerous. This seems like the kind of guy who'll do unholy things to your family. And he's got an agent and a coordinated gang of goons. I like his modern gangster aspect, and it really does feel like he's got a major hold of Gotham.

They're both different and have their own psychologies/ideologies. Ledger's is more of an anarchist psychopath with antisocial personality disorder. Leto is definitely a paranoid schizophrenic megalomaniac.

 

[RadioSha]

Let's just put this 9 minutes of Joker behind us. Forget about it, let him swim with the fishes see.
Change him out for a different actor in the solo movie and get rid of the tattoos and grill . Please. We can move beyond this. Move along, nothing to see here.

No, Leto was fine. We didn't even get a chance to see him in full yet. You should fall in line.

 

[DaJanksta]

I ****ing loved the Joker so much. Took me by surprise because I didn't expect to. Actually liked the film a lot more than bvs. The whole crowd in my theater last night was really into the film. Everyone seemed to be loving it when we were all walking out. Tons of fun.

 

[The Joker]

Exactly! It wouldn’t be the Joker if he wasn’t funny; it’s a fundamental part of the character.

Let's just put this 9 minutes of Joker behind us. Forget about it, let him swim with the fishes see.
Change him out for a different actor in the solo movie and get rid of the tattoos and grill . Please. We can move beyond this. Move along, nothing to see here.

This is a universe where Harley is supposedly crazier and more fearless than the Joker

 

[Guts]

This is a universe where Harley is supposedly crazier and more fearless than the Joker

It did seem that way after how Joker was edited to be more in love.

 

[Timebomb]

No, Leto was fine. We didn't even get a chance to see him in full yet. You should fall in line.

Leto was forgettable. Coloring a guys hair green does not make him the Joker. I don't need to see anymore of him.

 

[tanita_mors]

pu**y-whipped

 

[samsnee]

This Joker also seemed more trained in weapons and combat. Like I can't see Ledger and definitely not Nicholson showing up in tactical gear storming a prison. They would send people in first and just show up in normal clothes.