Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - - Part 16

[Chip Chipperson]

He has made gritty and realistic films yes, but I don't think Ben would make radical changes to a character like the Joker just for the sake of trying to distance it from past iterations. Talented filmmakers have the ability to make changes to iconic characters that audiences can get behind. I love Ben, but he hasn't taken on any stuff like this that involves actual source material, all his directorial efforts have been original ideas. I think he knows the kind of s**t he would take if he came up with what we got. I feel like he is more likely to play it safe in that regard, yet make tasteful tweaks that the audience can get on board with.

 

[Boom]

Oh man, this is gonna be a fun year or two of discussion.

 

[harlequinade]

I think she's right in this. Multiple people have confirmed that Ayer would let Leto "do his thing" by filming a lot of takes, letting him improvise, make small changes to the scenes. In the editing room, you get a whole lot of takes but not one consistent performance. It's a hodgepodge a skilled editor can overcome, but add the not so favorable reaction to Joker's abuse of Harley and they probably decided to gut his scenes as much as possible. Joker still needed to be in the movie, but the absolute minimal amount.

It's a combination of Ayer not controlling the movie enough and WB controlling the movie too much.

Ayer just comes off as weak to me. He was talking about that condom business and how mortified it was, well then shut it down. Tell Leto to chill. It's like he was intimidated by him and I've never heard of Jared being difficult to work with, he did 2 movies with Fincher who is notorious for his many takes etc. and there were no problems. Ayer should have done something and not let Jared run around like God.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Oh man, this is gonna be a fun year or two of discussion.

I have a feeing we're going to be getting a lot of interesting behind the scenes stuff regarding the batman solo and Jared Leto's Joker, but I welcome the healthy discussion.

 

[Greens]

Ayer just comes off as weak to me. He was talking about that condom business and how mortified it was, well then shut it down. Tell Leto to chill. It's like he was intimidated by him and I've never heard of Jared being difficult to work with, he did 2 movies with Fincher who is notorious for his many takes etc. and there were no problems. Ayer should have done something and not let Jared run around like God.

I'm not sure if it's weak, it's just the wrong approach. He probably thought that with a chaotic and unpredictable character as the Joker it would be good to give Leto a lot of freedom. The reason Leto said they shot enough footage for a Joker movie is not that they shot a lot of scenes, it's that they shot 10 versions of each scene.

 

[Boom]

Ayer just comes off as weak to me. He was talking about that condom business and how mortified it was, well then shut it down. Tell Leto to chill. It's like he was intimidated by him and I've never heard of Jared being difficult to work with, he did 2 movies with Fincher who is notorious for his many takes etc. and there were no problems. Ayer should have done something and not let Jared run around like God.

Affleck doesn't strike me as the kind of filmmaker that'll put up with that ****.

I imagine he and Leto will have a lengthy conversation about any future collaboration. Put their cards in the table and see where they stand.

This is again operating under the assumption that the Joker is even in the solo film.

 

[Greens]

Oh man, this is gonna be a fun year or two of discussion.

Imagine if the Blu-ray comes out and Leto's scenes are weak. We'd get two years of "Will Affleck be able to redeem Leto?" think pieces.

 

[harlequinade]

Affleck doesn't strike me as the kind of filmmaker that'll put up with that ****.

I imagine he and Leto will have a lengthy conversation about any future collaboration. Put their cards in the table and see where they stand.

This is again operating under the assumption that the Joker is even in the solo film.

Yeah no way Batfleck would let Jared run around with condoms and cupcakes on that set

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Affleck doesn't strike me as the kind of filmmaker that'll put up with that ****.

I imagine he and Leto will have a lengthy conversation about any future collaboration. Put their cards in the table and see where they stand.

This is again operating under the assumption that the Joker is even in the solo film.

If Ben is only doing one solo movie as we have speculated, it'll more than likely feature Joker in some capacity, you have to figure.

But yeah, stuff like Jared's extreme method ways aren't gonna fly with Ben, I can already tell. That's why it's going to be a very interesting year or 2 on this board.

 

[DeadStroke]

I think she's right in this. Multiple people have confirmed that Ayer would let Leto "do his thing" by filming a lot of takes, letting him improvise, make small changes to the scenes. In the editing room, you get a whole lot of takes but not one consistent performance. It's a hodgepodge a skilled editor can overcome, but add the not so favorable reaction to Joker's abuse of Harley and they probably decided to gut his scenes as much as possible. Joker still needed to be in the movie, but the absolute minimal amount.

It's a combination of Ayer not controlling the movie enough and WB controlling the movie too much.

Their biggest mistake was trying to make the Joker more than a cameo. So much so that they edited his role down to near cameo status.

Harley's backstory is 30 mins worth of back story, but they don't want the film centered on her backstory. Its hard to advance in the story with so much fleshed out about her past.

They want the Joker involved in the plot, but then dismiss him in the most needless of ways.

They should have went about the Joker like Civil War did with Spiderman. Say little about him, show very little of him (in terms of promotion).

They wanted to milk "The Joker" and in some ways it cost them...

 

[Eddie Dean]

I will bet $100 Leto will not return.

 

[Boom]

I will bet $100 Leto will not return.

Who would you want?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

if they had withheld everything except Jared's casting announcement and only showed him at the end of the movie, I guarantee everyone would have been begging to see more and the hype for the solo bat film would've been through the roof (even more so than it already is.)

Looking back, that's exactly how they should have done it.

Sure it takes the harley origin stuff out of play, but I could've waited to see it in another movie.

 

[Greens]

Their biggest mistake was trying to make the Joker more than a cameo. So much so that they edited his role down to near cameo status.

They could have written and shot two really good, lengthy scenes with Joker and have that be the end of it. Now, his screen time is smeared over the movie with weird cuts all throughout. In that sense, he was doomed from the start.

 

[Greens]

if they had withheld everything except Jared's casting announcement and only showed him at the end of the movie, I guarantee everyone would have been begging to see more and the hype for the solo bat film would've been through the roof (even more so than it already is.)

Looking back, that's exactly how they should have done it.

Sure it takes the harley origin stuff out of play, but I could've waited to see it in another movie.

Yup. In a way, her alluding to Mr. J without actually showing him would have built the anticipation even more.

But that's alternate universe stuff. The movie happened, and now they have to make the best of it.

 

[DeadStroke]

They could have written and shot two really good, lengthy scenes with Joker and have that be the end of it. Now, his screen time is smeared over the movie with weird cuts all throughout. In that sense, he was doomed from the start.

Well said.

He's in and out of the for 7 minutes in a 2 hour movie.

Also just filming two lengthy scenes would have shut Leto's trap about how much he had to commit for this role. That backfired on him.

But yea that was the way they should have went with his character.

Gives just enough of a glimpse for what we could see down the road. I think Spiderman was only in Civil War two scenes as well.

 

[Greens]

Well said.

He's in and out of the for 7 minutes in a 2 hour movie.

Also just filming two lengthy scenes would have shut Leto's trap about how much he had to commit for this role. That backfired on him.

But yea that was the way they should have went with his character.

Gives just enough of a glimpse for what we could see down the road. I think Spiderman was only in Civil War two scenes as well.

It's pretty interesting that both BvS and SS seem to be movies that were overwritten from the start. Way too much material to cram into a movie that's mandated to be under 2 and a half hours.

 

[Slade W]

After seeing the movie a second time, I am starting to think that the deleted scenes will not improve much. I still want to see them though. From what we saw in the movie, he was a silly, paper-thin and one-dimensional character. Both the acting and writing was not good enough.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Who would you want?

Walton Goggins would be my first choice. Leonardo DiCaprio as something that would never happen. Michael K. Williams as something that would never really happen.

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[Knightfall]

Affleck doesn't strike me as the kind of filmmaker that'll put up with that ****.

After having watched the behind the scenes of "The Town" I don't get that logic at all. Affleck seems too passive aggressive to be trying to confront someone like that. He's a decent director but honestly I think he's incredibly overrated both in directing and in his Bruce/Batman performances. Here's hoping if he directs a solo Bat film.. He recasts Batman! Yeesh he's bad..In my opinion of course


And *Eddie Dean* Dicaprio is really not that kind of actor. People keep trying to force character acting on him and it's not his strong suit at all. Doesn't help that he sounds the same in every damn role he's ever done since he was 16. His voice still hasn't reached puberty...

 

[DeadStroke]

if they had withheld everything except Jared's casting announcement and only showed him at the end of the movie, I guarantee everyone would have been begging to see more and the hype for the solo bat film would've been through the roof (even more so than it already is.)

Looking back, that's exactly how they should have done it.

Sure it takes the harley origin stuff out of play, but I could've waited to see it in another movie.

Empire Magazine said the same thing. Said the theater would have erupted if they played it out this way. Also the Joker story wouldn't have detracted away from the squad. Could have used those 7 mins or so on other characters. Just let the Joker show up the last 10 seconds.

It's pretty interesting that both BvS and SS seem to be movies that were overwritten from the start. Way too much material to cram into a movie that's mandated to be under 2 and a half hours.

Yep.

In such a rush to catch up with Marvel...

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I really liked leto in the role. He needed way more to work with, but i thought he brought his own unique take on joker. I just want him to have a larger role and smile/laugh more. I think this joker really just suffered from a poor script ans bad edits. No need to recast. Leto obviously loves the character so I think him returning is likely but he'll probably need some contract renegotiations and the right material to work with.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Ayer just comes off as weak to me. He was talking about that condom business and how mortified it was, well then shut it down. Tell Leto to chill. It's like he was intimidated by him and I've never heard of Jared being difficult to work with, he did 2 movies with Fincher who is notorious for his many takes etc. and there were no problems. Ayer should have done something and not let Jared run around like God.

Ayer can't direct traffic.

 

[harlequinade]

Slayleto strikes again. He is now saying all of the Joker scenes were shortened https://youtu.be/RhekOrMuTdg?t=3m5s