Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - - Part 16

[Greens]

I should probably not continue this in the Joker thread. Its going to be interesting to see who they cast as Poison Ivy. Usually Ivy is hotter than Harley so its going to be very tough to outdo that now Margot's in the role.

Wonder if they ever touch on a love triangle.

Bisexual Harley? You really think WB will allow that

 

[KillerWolf]

I should probably not continue this in the Joker thread. Its going to be interesting to see who they cast as Poison Ivy. Usually Ivy is hotter than Harley so its going to be very tough to outdo that now Margot's in the role.

Wonder if they ever touch on a love triangle.

I'd appreciate if this doesn't get to be their main criteria when casting the part. Actually, if we get Ivy, I'd like her to be older with more subdued personality, as it would offer a more interesting dynamic between the two. Also, this Harley is already too sexualized as it is, they could at least avoid doing that with Ivy as well.

 

[harlequinade]

Bisexual Harley? You really think WB will allow that

Hm, I think it's possible, actually. They would face more fury if they didn't than if they did

 

[tanita_mors]

yeah, ivy would need to be older, more mature imo. maybe have that classical allure, like hitchcock's cold blonds - only a cold redhead, unless you mess with plants or harley - then a firy redhead emerges. and she needs to despise joker with a passion a 1000 burning suns.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, that's what I had in mind... that film noir, Jane Greer kind of allure.

 

[DeadStroke]

I'd appreciate if this doesn't get to be their main criteria when casting the part. Actually, if we get Ivy, I'd like her to be older with more subdued personality, as it would offer a more interesting dynamic between the two. Also, this Harley is already too sexualized as it is, they could at least avoid doing that with Ivy as well.

Oh don't get me wrong. The acting is most important. Just saying Ivy being so beautiful made her even more seductive than Harley ever was.

However, with the backlash about Harley sexualized (even though I didn't get that vibe while watching the movie. Seemed she used it manipulate people) I totally get where you're coming from. Don't want to go through this again.

 

[auditor]

Bisexual Harley? You really think WB will allow that

They probably would think it makes her seem cooler

 

[DeadStroke]

Comment on youtube about Joker/Harley chemical wedding.

Best scene in the movie. Joker's speech about desire becoming surrender becoming power is an interesting window into his mind and how he views the world. I think the Joker sees allowing yourself to want to surrender to the insane contempt he has for the world is, from his viewpoint, a liberating experience. The power one gains from surrendering your sanity is that you're no longer constrained by the rules. You're now free to do as you please, consequences by damned. He thinks his insanity is power in and of itself. An interesting aside: in the movie novelization Joker originally planned to walk away and let Harleen die in the vat of chemicals. He viewed her as a useful tool that had become a nuisance. However, for some explained reason he changed his mind and begrudgingly jumped in to save her - she can't swim, after all. That's why he grunts in irritation just before he leaps. Some have suggested he does so out of some inner turmoil, i.e., an inkling of love in his dark heart. I'm betting even the Joker doesn't know why he did it.

 

[KillerWolf]

Oh don't get me wrong. The acting is most important. Just saying Ivy being so beautiful made her even more seductive than Harley ever was.

However, with the backlash about Harley sexualized (even though I didn't get that vibe while watching the movie. Seemed she used it manipulate people) I totally get where you're coming from. Don't want to go through this again.

Yeah, I got what you meant. Also, I don't mind Ivy being attractive or even seductive (in that cold, film noir way ), I just don't want them to go for blatant sexualization. With this Harley around, it is even more important to tone down seductive aspect of the character.

Well, I reckon it's pretty easy to see that this Harley is closer to "Arkham" games one than pre-New 52 comics one (don't know how they handle her in New 52) in this sense. They are definitely not shying away from depicting her as sexy and even going for gratuitous shots every now and then.

 

[Jekecy]

She looks stunning. Really hate they cut out the therapy stuff. Her with the glasses just does something to me

She definitely looked sexy, but I was not a fan of how willing she was to beckon at Joker’s needs.

Joker literally asks for a machine gun and the next scene is his goons shooting Arkham up. The hell?

 

[Greens]

She definitely looked sexy, but I was not a fan of how willing she was to beckon at Joker’s needs.

Joker literally asks for a machine gun and the next scene is his goons shooting Arkham up. The hell?

Pretty sure that stuff was supposed to be longer.

 

[KillerWolf]

She definitely looked sexy, but I was not a fan of how willing she was to beckon at Joker’s needs.

Joker literally asks for a machine gun and the next scene is his goons shooting Arkham up. The hell?

I reckon that they got plenty of sessions already and she has fallen for him in the process. Notice how she immediately says "anything", before correcting herself.

As we all know, they cut too many of these scenes.

 

[Wildcard]

She definitely looked sexy, but I was not a fan of how willing she was to beckon at Joker’s needs.

Joker literally asks for a machine gun and the next scene is his goons shooting Arkham up. The hell?

A big example of how they edited out far too much.

 

[The Joker]

She definitely looked sexy, but I was not a fan of how willing she was to beckon at Joker’s needs.

Joker literally asks for a machine gun and the next scene is his goons shooting Arkham up. The hell?

Yeah they rushed over the Harley back story way too much. It was never presented as organic or believable that she turned from psychiatrist into head over heels in love psychopath.

 

[Guts]

The b roll footage on youtube has a some lines from the therapy scene that weren't in the movie so they probably cut a bit out of that scene.

 

[DeadStroke]

I also liked the line "Professor???!! Could you pick up the pace."

 

[Greens]

The b roll footage on youtube has a some lines from the therapy scene that weren't in the movie so they probably cut a bit out of that scene.

That was cool to see. It's only about two or three lines before he mentions the machine gun but we rarely get the chance to peek behind the curtain when it comes to Joker. There is zero Jack footage and WB keeps Ledger's footage in a vault.

 

[LoganGambit87]

yeah, ivy would need to be older, more mature imo. maybe have that classical allure, like hitchcock's cold blonds - only a cold redhead, unless you mess with plants or harley - then a firy redhead emerges. and she needs to despise joker with a passion a 1000 burning suns.

i think charlize theron could pull that mature,classical beauty,alluring seductive vibe

 

[Jekecy]

Yeah they rushed over the Harley back story way too much. It was never presented as organic or believable that she turned from psychiatrist into head over heels in love psychopath.

It was one of the things I was interested in seeing explored at least a little bit. I can’t say if I ever completely bought into the original Timmverse concept of her simply “falling” in love. Especially when she’s a renowned (?) psychiatrist tasked with personally caring for Gotham’s most notorious psychopath killer.

If there were some inklings of a couple screws loose already, maybe. But I would like to see it. The teased electroshock scene in the trailers had me wondering whether this was a sane Harley completely twisted and turned by Joker.

But alas, nothing but a montage of criminalized love-birds.

I also liked the line "Professor???!! Could you pick up the pace."

If i didn’t know better I could’ve sworn that was Ledger talking. I wish Leto would keep the same nasally tone. As much as it apes Ledger, it’s better than the occasionally deep voice he used (Hunka-hunka!) which at times came off like a bad Elvis impression.

 

[Greens]

Joker concept art

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/jared-leto-joker-suicide-squad-concept-art

 

[Angel0fDeath]

^ Should've used that purple suit.

 

[Kane52630]

Joker concept art

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/jared-leto-joker-suicide-squad-concept-art

Was Joker going to copy Finn Balor?

 

[NosfeRomas]

I love the Black Lodge slippers !

 

[tanita_mors]

yeah, the purple suit look fantastic.

 

[KillerWolf]

Hope they'll give him this suit in Batman solo.

By the way, while I appreciate the lack of "damaged" tattoo, for some reason he barely looks like Joker here, all I see is Jared Leto.

What a difference a lipstick can make, huh?