Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 6

[Boom]

I sincerely doubt a tattoo is going to serve a story purpose of any kind.

A characterization purpose? Maybe. Or maybe it's purely aesthetic and won't be addressed at all. Who knows?

But I think it's safe to say that his forehead ink isn't going to end up as some plot point. I genuinely cannot think of any such purpose. Perhaps the more creative of you can spitball some ideas.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The more i look at the joker pic, the less i see the facial tatts. And I'll notice them even less so when he's in motion.

 

[MrsKent26]

I hardly notice them. My focused is pulled to those crazy eyes and unfortunate teeth.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I sincerely doubt a tattoo is going to serve a story purpose of any kind.

A characterization purpose? Maybe. Or maybe it's purely aesthetic and won't be addressed at all. Who knows?

But I think it's safe to say that his forehead ink isn't going to end up as some plot point. I genuinely cannot think of any such purpose. Perhaps the more creative of you can spitball some ideas.

"Damaged", is a keyword for something of importance that only he and Harley know...the ink is more than just for aesthetic purposes to mock incarceration...they hold red herrings to the actual truth that is right under everybody's noses...that the the code word to disabling a nuclear bomb that Joker is hiding, is right on his forehead...only people miss it because of the only obvious reason why he does have it - because he's a damaged nut...

"All this searching, and the answer was right on his forehead, in front of our eyes!"

 

[Jekecy]

...I would actually find that amusing.

 

[Rodrigo90]

...I would actually find that amusing.

It's something he would do as well

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I hardly notice them. My focused is pulled to those crazy eyes and unfortunate teeth.

Both features that i love on this joker.

 

[AnneFan]

I sincerely doubt a tattoo is going to serve a story purpose of any kind.

A characterization purpose? Maybe. Or maybe it's purely aesthetic and won't be addressed at all. Who knows?

But I think it's safe to say that his forehead ink isn't going to end up as some plot point. I genuinely cannot think of any such purpose. Perhaps the more creative of you can spitball some ideas.

"In prison, a man will do almost anything to keep his mind occupied."

 

[MrsKent26]

Both features that i love on this joker.

As do I. He looks like a nut job and I love it. His look is an odd mix of homeless, dirty, trendy, clown, and scary.

 

[QueenChaos]

I don't understand that, an actor's performance doesn't change the way they look. As I said before, Leto and Robbie's performance might overshawdow how they look but they'll still look like crap in the end, that won't change.

I don't think they look like crap.

What it all comes down to there is preference. Some of us don't think it looks crap, some of you do. That's cool. Fun for the whole fam!

What's the storyline again?

You sure seem to know everything about the DCCU so I'll ask this:

what's the plot of all the movies?

Pretty much, this.
I am guessing the style here suits the tone and plot. On that thought, boy would I love to know the plot! When do y'all think that will come? OFFICIALLY I mean? So long a wait..

Anyway.. I'm one of those fans that has been.. iffy, about some things, but overall, I can see the direction they may be going with and I like imagining what that is!
I think while we know pretty much NOTHING it's more fun to imagine than to judge. Even the look, even the look.

But if people want to stop at the look, I get that too. It's just a bit sad knowing I'm enjoying the ride and some of my fellow fans are already displeased and ready to go home.
If I could give you a big hug that would solve it all, I would.. it would probably have to be a hug that came with transformative costume powers for Mr.J and Harley. Unfortunately I don't have the technology for that.. or I just refuse

 

[Gamma Goliath]

As do I. He looks like a nut job and I love it. His look is an odd mix of homeless, dirty, trendy, clown, and scary.

Add gangster and dangerous to that list and thats exactly how i feel.

 

[DOBSON10]

What's the storyline again?

I'm not the one talking about the tattoo's having "context" changing the way they look. I'm just pointing out there should be no context to why he has tattoo's.

 

[DOBSON10]

You sure seem to know everything about the DCCU so I'll ask this:

what's the plot of all the movies?

I never said anything about the plot, I didn't bring up the conversation of the tattoo's serving a purpose in the plot to provide "context" that will make them look better or understand them better. Call someone else out about the plot, I was talking specifically about what the characters look like until the context reasoning was brought up again. I've said several times now that I'm talking about the look of the characters, and that I think Leto and Robbie have great potential otherwise, just think they look like crap. I did say that I don't see any reason for them to serve a purpose to the plot, because they are just tattoo's, there shouldn't be plot points wasted on them to "add context", as I said, he has them, don't need to know why. I also never said any of this was anything other than my opinion, several times (something that should never have to be pointed out in the first place, should be obvious)

Maybe try following the conversation.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I'm of the philosophy that the less said of Joker's background the better.

I don't think he's a character that has to explain his dress or style. He just is.

I'm not a big fan of the tattoos but I'm not sure some story context for them is a positive?

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I have a couple problems with this, I keep seeing people mention "context" possibly making the tattoo's "better", I disagree. First, no amount of context, whether it be shallow or deep reasoning, will ever make me like the face tattoo's. They're just ridiculous and completely unnecessary no matter what the explanation is. I've seen tons of theories on the damaged tattoo and they're all just as pointless as the tattoo itself.

But even more importantly, if they spend time trying to explain the Jokers tattoo's, then something is wrong to me. That worries me about the writing of this movie, it's a completely pointless storyline that really adds nothing and is completely unnecessary. All those reasons you just speculated on, well, I don't care or think they should waste time on something like that. There are much better things to focus on. Outside of the possible Robin tattoo, which could be some sort of a reminder/trophy for the Joker's killing of one of Batman's sidekicks, there is no reason they should be wasting any time explaining tattoo's. The rest of them are so dumb that they don't deserve an explanation. If the guy has tattoo's, he has tattoo's, I don't freaking care why. In the TV show "Prison Break" explaining the tattoo's made sense, for the Robin tattoo, spend a small scene explaining that, fine, that makes sense but the rest of the tats, there is no reason I can think of that's interesting enough to waste time on them. I don't need context for something that's so pointless to begin with.

Maybe he got the tattoo's to make fun of prison culture, or because he thinks they're funny, or because he's in love with himself, or because Harley likes to doodle, guess what, don't care. It's a stupid plot point they shouldn't waste time on. Giving the Joker tattoo's doesn't make the character more visually interesting to me and to top it off, the tattoo's they gave him are stupid and lack purpose (again, outside of the Robin tat). The character of the Joker has a vast amount of interesting details to expand on without adding something as pointless as why he has tattoo's.

I get what you mean.

But at the same time TDK spent a notable amount of time on his scars. Did you think that was pointless and a waste of time?

(I just realized I'm surprised I haven't seen any "You wanna know why I got these tattoos?" or "You wanna know why my teeth are metal?" jokes)

 

[matt47]

I get what you mean.

But at the same time TDK spent a notable amount of time on his scars. Did you think that was pointless and a waste of time?

(I just realized I'm surprised I haven't seen any "You wanna know why I got these tattoos?" or "You wanna know why my teeth are metal?" jokes)

That was different though. He was coming up with random origins of his scars. He never gave us a full blown, this is how I become me, story.

 

[Greens]

The more i look at the joker pic, the less i see the facial tatts. And I'll notice them even less so when he's in motion.

I don't look at the facial tattoos, either. I guess it's not that much of a distraction for me.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

That was different though. He was coming up with random origins of his scars. He never gave us a full blown, this is how I become me, story.

I wasn't saying this Joker needs a full blown 'this is how I became me story' either (not that I'd have a problem with that). My point was that the story spent time on some of Joker's visual elements (some of which deviate from the classic look) for a narrative purpose. Same could apply for Leto's Joker.

And regarding the argument about whether we should get the true explanations behind Joker's look, then you could argue that they shouldn't explain the reason for anything, the white skin, etc, which TDK and many other Batman stories actually did give us.

 

[DOBSON10]

I get what you mean.

But at the same time TDK spent a notable amount of time on his scars. Did you think that was pointless and a waste of time?

There is actually a story behind how you get scars, the actions that led to them. There is no story behind "why I got this smiley face tat on my arm, why it says HaHaHa on my chest". I don't need to know the plot to know spending time on why he has the tattoo's would be pointless. I don't think they will try to "add context" to the tattoos, they are just there, like them or not.

Anyway, I think I've said enough about it. I don't like the costumes but hopefully I'll like the performances. I have alot of faith in Leto and Robbie, hopefully the decision making and dialogue for the characters matches their talent.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I don't think they will try to "add context" to the tattoos

Ah, k. Well I'm gonna wait to see how they come across in the movie.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I expect an explanation to the (apparent) robin on his right arm. Just some form of wicked dialogue to explain his murder of Robin. Might lead into other explanations and interesting stories. Might not

 

[Spider-Aziz]

People still talk about his tattoos?
I'd love to hear they were made by a man who could control his tattoos, and he sliced him as one good work of art deserves another.

 

[Greens]

There is actually a story behind how you get scars, the actions that led to them. There is no story behind "why I got this smiley face tat on my arm, why it says HaHaHa on my chest"

You don't know this. Dislike whatever you want, but we don't know this until we've seen the movie.

 

[DOBSON10]

You don't know this. Dislike whatever you want, but we don't know this until we've seen the movie.

As I said earlier, if that is a Robin tattoo, that one could deserve a scene describing it, because much like the scars in TDK, it has a story behind it. The rest of the tattoos, not so much. The rest are pretty self-explanatory.

Outside of the Robin tattoo, I don't expect to see them explain his tattoos. I do expect to hear Ayer talk about them in an interview at some point because of the backlash, a reporter is going to ask the question eventually about why, but I assume the answer will be "tattoos are a big part of world culture, it seems like almost everyone has one now, so we wanted to update these characters look to reflect the time and the costumes and tattoos are part of that". I don't think there is a big story behind it, he thought it was a good addition and thought the ones they chose look cool.

Anyway, I really do want to move on from this topic because it just is what it is at this point, the tattoos aren't going anywhere I'll just have to learn to ignore them as best I can.

 

[Da-Scribe]

As I said earlier, if that is a Robin tattoo, that one could deserve a scene describing it, because much like the scars in TDK, it has a story behind it. The rest of the tattoos, not so much. The rest are pretty self-explanatory.

Outside of the Robin tattoo, I don't expect to see them explain his tattoos. I do expect to hear Ayer talk about them in an interview at some point because of the backlash, a reporter is going to ask the question eventually about why, but I assume the answer will be "tattoos are a big part of world culture, it seems like almost everyone has one now, so we wanted to update these characters look to reflect the time and the costumes and tattoos are part of that". I don't think there is a big story behind it, he thought it was a good addition and thought the ones they chose look cool.

Anyway, I really do want to move on from this topic because it just is what it is at this point, the tattoos aren't going anywhere I'll just have to learn to ignore them as best I can.

Just say you don't like the design. That's fine. Say you don't think they'll play into the plot, that's fine. But when you say that there's no possible context for them, that they're a waste of screentime, that none of that tattoos sans the potential Robin one have any meaning...well then you're making actual claims about the plot of the film. The plot that you know nothing about.

Seriously, you're actually saying that scars have stories and tattoos don't. That's just ridiculous.