Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 7

[dario2739]

Yeah. Joker looks rubbish. I don't personally buy the Heath Ledger argument at this stage. I think more people were on board with his look as we saw more of it. It was largely the first couple of shots and the argument about 'perma-white' that there was such a furore at the time. Right now this looks like a pretty good look at Leto's Joker. He's still going to have the tattoos, he still looks weird without eyebrows and I'm not liking his lipstick either. I don't think he's going to look like a great iteration of Joker.

Fingers crossed his performance can make me forget about the look even if it doesn't look great on film, but I just can't jump on the blind faith in Leto bandwagon. No offence to those who do have faith in him, but it's entirely possible for even very talented actors to misjudge their performance and end up with something awful.

Personally I still don't really like Ledger's Joker 'look' ...not completely.
The scars to the mouth were fine, as was the red lipstick - but I felt he looked too scruffy... especially his hair – looked like it needed a good wash, and the Joker I know from the comics is a narcissist who wouldn't be seen dead dressed like that.
Ledger's strength as the Joker, was his performance – now that was fantastic.

So... Leto... I think he looks more like the comic book Joker we all love – without the tattoos he'd have been damn near perfect. His outfit is not accurate, but at least he does look 'preened' which is more in-keeping with Mr. J, plus this is one scene out of the movie – we don't know what other costumes he'll be wearing or the context of this scene... so let's just wait and see shall we

 

[AnneFan]

Can't recall who, but I think there were a couple of people who were condescending to people who didn't think the Joker tats were just a publicity stunt/alternate design for the 75th anniversary.

I always thought the '75th anniversary celebratory tattoos' idea was ridiculous.

Some people didn't accept the character had been officially revealed (just because they didn't like what they saw) when he obviously had been.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Personally I still don't really like Ledger's Joker 'look' ...not completely.
The scars to the mouth were fine, as was the red lipstick - but I felt he looked too scruffy... especially his hair – looked like it needed a good wash, and the Joker I know from the comics is a narcissist who wouldn't be seen dead dressed like that.
Ledger's strength as the Joker, was his performance – now that was fantastic.

So... Leto... I think he looks more like the comic book Joker we all love – without the tattoos he'd have been damn near perfect. His outfit is not accurate, but at least he does look 'preened' which is more in-keeping with Mr. J, plus this is one scene out of the movie – we don't know what other costumes he'll be wearing or the context of this scene... so let's just wait and see shall we

That's asking a bit much for 'round here.

 

[Greens]

I thought it was a valid theory, but we couldn't know one way or the other until confirmation like the set pics we got this week.

No need to be condescending one way or the other.

 

[The Infernal]

Personally I still don't really like Ledger's Joker 'look' ...not completely.
The scars to the mouth were fine, as was the red lipstick - but I felt he looked too scruffy... especially his hair – looked like it needed a good wash, and the Joker I know from the comics is a narcissist who wouldn't be seen dead dressed like that.
Ledger's strength as the Joker, was his performance – now that was fantastic.

So... Leto... I think he looks more like the comic book Joker we all love – without the tattoos he'd have been damn near perfect. His outfit is not accurate, but at least he does look 'preened' which is more in-keeping with Mr. J, plus this is one scene out of the movie – we don't know what other costumes he'll be wearing or the context of this scene... so let's just wait and see shall we

That's fair enough. Nothing wrong with that opinion either. It's a shame that some posters on this section of the forum seem intent on policing opinions and trying to shame others for not liking something.

Personally I still wouldn't like Leto's looks, even without the tattoos. It's not about his clothing for me. I'm actually fine with what I've seen of the clothing from the set pics.

 

[regwec]

On the outfit: I love the classic purple tails as much as anyone, but it should be acknowledged that it is effectively period costume. Along with The Penguin, The Joker was born in what was destined to become a very iconic supervillain suit, but which were really just "clothes". Certainly, they were garish and eccentric for their time, but they remain influenced by pre-war fashions, nonetheless.

I really like seeing The Joker in an appropriately showy, vulgar ensemble that happens to throw back to the 2000's via the 80's, as opposed to the 30's-40's.

 

[Greens]

On the outfit: I love the classic purple tails as much as anyone, but it should be acknowledged that it is effectively period costume. Along with The Penguin, The Joker was born in what was destined to become a very iconic supervillain suit, but which were really just "clothes". Certainly, they were garish and eccentric for their time, but they remain influenced by pre-war fashions, nonetheless.

I really like seeing The Joker in an appropriately showy, vulgar ensemble that happens to throw back to the 2000's via the 80's, as opposed to the 30's-40's.

That's a good point. His traditional garb is old-fashioned. Nolan took the iconic look and modernized it just enough. Ayer is going even further with that.

 

[steve4991]

I still think the best looking thing of Leto was that bootlegged gif of his cell phone pics/video when he was wearing the white suit and laughing. The way his eyebrow muscles bent downwards with his laughter was perfect.

 

[Boy Scout]

That's a good point. His traditional garb is old-fashioned. Nolan took the iconic look and modernized it just enough. Ayer is going even further with that.

I'd still eventually like to see the purple suit, though.

 

[The Joker]

Thank you for providing me an example of the type of behavior I absolutely won't allow on here. Having different opinions is fine but the minute one feels the need to name call is where I will simply hand out an infraction.

There has been multiple warnings and many have chosen to ignore said warnings. From now on it's an immediate infraction and then a ban until the film comes out.

Not in the mood for repeating myself for well over a year.

Thank you

..and wandered into the hallways of Cash Money Records.

Can't recall who, but I think there were a couple of people who were condescending to people who didn't think the Joker tats were just a publicity stunt/alternate design for the 75th anniversary.

There was. I had several debates with people (won't name any names for the sake of peace) who believed those tattoos were not going to be part of his final look.

 

[Consona]

So, can we post these pictures?

 

[lujho]

I don't recall anyone other than The Guard claiming as a certainty that the tattoos were definitely just a 75th anniversary thing. Some of the rest of us thought it might be possible.

I don't mean on here, I mean web-wide.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't recall anyone other than The Guard claiming as a certainty that the tattoos were definitely just a 75th anniversary thing. Some of the rest of us thought it might be possible.

I hoped that was the truth.

 

[Naked Shia]

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I agree.

He could be a great Joker.

 

[Greens]

He could play Leto's Joker in a flash forward.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

He looks like Arkham City Joker in the last image.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I have an idea I know everyone is going to hate, and if anyone can remember anything that was rumored or even confirmed that runs counter to this idea please let me know.


Okay, we seem to be assuming a lot right now about this version of the Joker and his relationship with Batman. Some of us suspect the teeth are because Batman beat him half to death. The idea that Joker is in prison or will be a Hanibal Lector type character in the film has been floated, as well that he may sprung by Harley at some point, many theories. Many assume Batman put him away and that he more or less will mirror TDKReturns Joker in that without Batman to play with (assuming a less active Batman) that he just settles into a life of incarceration and is a bit blank until Batman's big public battle with Superman, which jump starts Joker again. What if a lot of that is wrong?

What if this Joker was never put away and has managed to stay out of Gotham and out of sight of the Dark Knight? What if he's just been living the high life, spending a fortune he's amassed? Fast cars, flashy clothes, partying in far flung places, coming back to the States occasionally to see if Batman is stil around, and finding no trace of the Caped Crusader he just carries on. A Joker, in a sense if you will, that has lost his way. He's kinda turned into the common *****e criminal that Ledger's Joker so disdained, and his arc in the film is that something plot specific that involves the Squad and Harley lights the fire in his belly to once again become the anarchic, nihilistic Clown Prince Of Crime.


Yeah, I can already hear the chorus of, "That could never happen, he's obsessed with Batman, and Batman would never allow that, he'd find him..." Which are all good points and sure, keeping with the character. But we don't have all the info, and I think some of what I am thinking could explain a lot, including the tattoos, the expensive car, the club ready clothes and on and on. Sort of a Joker that's let himself succumb to common everyday decadence, that before he would have disdained, and which he has to escape. It could be that what ever the Squad is involved in piques his interest and sets him back on the road to "greatness" or it could be that the Squad gets Batman's attention and that snaps him back to his old self. I don't know, but in a film based around villains, featuring one of the greatest villains, I think it makes sense for them to have their own journeys and arcs where there is change from the start of the story to the finish for the characters and what better story for the biggest villain in the film than a "comeback"?

 

[The Endless]

I really like what i've seen... apart from the "damaged" tattoo.

This Joker is clearly that whole "YOLO" lifestyle turned up to crazy levels. I bet he does bare amounts of cocaine and MDMA. Has flashy cars and jewellery. ****s like an animal with stunning women all around the world. He's living the high life and he doesn't give a ****. Like a charismatic crime kingpin who is untouchable.

Before people say that doesn't fit the Joker... why not? Jack's Joker was perfect for the 80s/90s. He was vain as hell and used other peoples vanity and greed against them with his plots. Ledger's Joker was the ultimate urban terrorist... fitting for the "war on terror" era where people were paranoid and debating whether to give up certain freedoms and morals for safety.

Now Leto's Joker... the ultimate excessive, sociopathic, psychotic party boy who cannot be stopped. Like a rockstar/gang banger. He drives around in a purple Lambo, is dripping in bling, has customized bejeweled handguns. Probably some kind of drug baron and crime lord (his drugs are probably poisoned). Wouldn't surprise me if he is active on social media, positing selfies of himself with his victims, having millions of followers on Twitter and Facebook. He's our eras absolute worst nightmare. And it is absolutely fitting with the Joker.

 

[Greens]

 

[Travesty]

 

[Matt.S99]

I love the way you think!
I love that the Joker can be this character of social commentary about like you said, each eras worst nightmare. The Joker is almost like this character that shows what happens when you take something not necessarily "bad" (being a little vein is fine. Being a bit of a rebel is cool. Being some fun party goer is nice) and taking it to an extreme level and seeing how those things can quickly turn bad. And how it can consume you.

 

[The Endless]

I love the way you think!
I love that the Joker can be this character of social commentary about like you said, each eras worst nightmare. The Joker is almost like this character that shows what happens when you take something not necessarily "bad" (being a little vein is fine. Being a bit of a rebel is cool. Being some fun party goer is nice) and taking it to an extreme level and seeing how those things can quickly turn bad. And how it can consume you.

Thanks!

I just don't understand how people can say "that isn't Joker!" Joker is one of the most mercurial comic book characters ever. Even more so when it comes to the movie adaptations. I think what they are going for with Leto's Joker is perfectly in line with how the others have been portrayed.

 

[Matt.S99]

These characters always tend to somewhat represent the real world of the time period they're in.
The next incarnation of Joker Will surely be different than this one.

I too, could do without the tattoos, but I guess it kind of adds to this persona of this specific Joker. And I'm okay with that.

 

[The Endless]

Yea i can understanding people disliking it for sure. I dislike the "damaged" tattoo on his forehead. But again i suspect it's more of an ironic thing. Using the Joker character to hold up a mirror to these youngsters who feel the need to have their feelings and emotions tattood on themselves. This Joker is like a twisted take on the "YOLO" generation where excess and hedonism is all that matters.

I wouldn't be surprised if this Joker is just as controversial as Ledger's with people becoming obsessed with him and misinterpreting the message, thinking that this is glorifying that whole lifestyle. Add in the abusive and deranged relationship with Harley, where one minute he's beating her then the next he's whispering sweet nothings in her ear and kissing her. I think Ayer, Leto and co know this though and are totally playing it up to the extreme.