Jean/Logan: The Evolving Relationship.

[Pizzaboy1138]

in her fury she apparently killed Scott, but she let Logan live!

Actually I don't think she let him live. He would have died if he couldn't have healed himself.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I wonder why Jean ...well when she walked down the stairs, I mean she looked really happy to see him back. Then she walks over to him ... and she's biting her lower lip ( I think) anyway... I always wondered about that scene. "You'll still be here when we come back...unless you plan on running off again."

I guess I could find a few reasons to stick around...

and she gives him that smiley look...or should I say, She was blushing? hehehe. What a flirt. Jean is a flirt.

though...sometimes when I think of Jean and Phoenix as one...her character arc becomes quite interesting especially in terms of all these emotions that are built up inside her but Jean is holding back her wildside (whatever u wanna call it) cause she well... again -shrugs- but she cares about Logan in a way. I mean she welcomed him and didn't mind that Logan went with them on their first mission. ... "LOGAN"... she got all worried...hehe...actually whats funny was her reaction when the claws poked through the metal of statue of liberty, nearly stabbing her. lol... oi my god... -pauses- holy smokies... Jean does get stabbed by those claws... Now thats foreshadowing...me thinks.

Good thing I picked up on that... holy smokies.

 

[Pizzaboy1138]

You're joking, right?

 

[xwolverine2]

when the claws poked through the metal of statue of liberty, nearly stabbing her. lol... oi my god... -pauses- holy smokies... Jean does get stabbed by those claws... Now thats foreshadowing...me thinks.

Good thing I picked up on that... holy smokies.

your a uniquely funny person dod

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Don't get me wrong...but man...It kinda clicked. lol ... .... her expression was priceless.. LOL ... those claws were quite close to her face. ouch...

Here... I shortened it so it makes sense

remember in x1...when Logan is sliding down the side of statue of Liberty and cut to Jean hearing the claws skidding down the side and then all of the sudden 3 pointy sharpy claws poke through near her face...LOL ... her reaction...was priceless.

 

[undomiel]

Actually I don't think she let him live. He would have died if he couldn't have healed himself.

The reason I don't think so is because Phoenix is way too powerful. But we were having a really interesting discussion about it over in the other thread. Some people think it must have been good Jean holding back Phoenix. Others think maybe Phoenix wasn't as intent on killing him as the others because he didn't have anything to do with her forced-control past which she associates with Xavier and Co.

 

[undomiel]

I wonder why Jean ...well when she walked down the stairs, I mean she looked really happy to see him back. Then she walks over to him ... and she's biting her lower lip ( I think) anyway... I always wondered about that scene. "You'll still be here when we come back...unless you plan on running off again."

I guess I could find a few reasons to stick around...

and she gives him that smiley look...or should I say, She was blushing? hehehe. What a flirt. Jean is a flirt.

though...sometimes when I think of Jean and Phoenix as one...her character arc becomes quite interesting especially in terms of all these emotions that are built up inside her but Jean is holding back her wildside (whatever u wanna call it) cause she well... again -shrugs- but she cares about Logan in a way. I mean she welcomed him and didn't mind that Logan went with them on their first mission. ... "LOGAN"... she got all worried...hehe...actually whats funny was her reaction when the claws poked through the metal of statue of liberty, nearly stabbing her. lol... oi my god... -pauses- holy smokies... Jean does get stabbed by those claws... Now thats foreshadowing...me thinks.

Good thing I picked up on that... holy smokies.

I think the best part is in X1, when she's taking off Logan's bandages and he wakes up and it takes her by surprise, and she just says, "Hey!" in that breathless sort of way with that big smile on her face. As far as I'm concerned, there was no hiding that she had feelings of affection for him.

 

[XCharlieX]

Seems to me Jean Grey is in love with Scott and Phoenix is in love with Wolverine.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

hmm what about the bedroom scene in x1? She seemed really nice to show Logan around and his room ... she also read his mind and saw some of his past... Sometimes I wonder about that scene...she looked shocked and worried...

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

your a uniquely funny person dod

I am? ... hmmm

 

[undomiel]

hmm what about the bedroom scene in x1? She seemed really nice to show Logan around and his room ... she also read his mind and saw some of his past... Sometimes I wonder about that scene...she looked shocked and worried...

Lol...yes, but what is it that you are wondering about? For my part, yes, definitely I think it was another one of those moments that reveal she's developing an emotional attachment to him. And remember the extra footage? It shows her asking Xavier what he thinks about Logan, after she'd read Logan's mind. She said something about Logan having so much violence in his past, but that there was something very honorable about him. Then she looks all uncomfortable for having said that, like she said too much and it was revealing her true feelings.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I was referring to the glimpses of his past that she saw when she was reading his mind...

 

[undomiel]

I was referring to the glimpses of his past that she saw when she was reading his mind...

Oh, that -- yes, well I think she was shocked and worried. I think seeing that causes her to have compassion for him that some of the others don't. It's all working toward that emotional bonding with him.

 

[vinegar_q]

so are u guys saying that the reason why she feels emotionally attracted to logan because of his painful past?? wouldn't that be really risky to like someone because u sympathize them. I am supportive of j/l's relationship, but i really never understood what the emotional attraction between them is. is it because logan is able to see the parallel of their split personalities?? like logan vs berserker wolverine and jean vs phoenix/dar phoenix??

 

[undomiel]

so are u guys saying that the reason why she feels emotionally attracted to logan because of his painful past?? wouldn't that be really risky to like someone because u sympathize them. I am supportive of j/l's relationship, but i really never understood what the emotional attraction between them is. is it because logan is able to see the parallel of their split personalities?? like logan vs berserker wolverine and jean vs phoenix/dar phoenix??

I'm not saying she's attracted to him because of his painful past; I'm just saying because she has a glimpse of it, she's able to see him for more than just a wild guy with an attitude, which is how most of the others perceive him. It's emotionally bonding to know deep things about a person, especially a person you're already attracted to. And love does sympathize. If she pities him the horrors of his past, it only shows she cares.

As for what the emotional attraction between them is -- well, that's kind of like asking "Why do people fall in love?" Who knows? They just do. Something just clicks into place, and there you have it. I don't think there has to be a "reason" per se. Some people have said that Logan fell for Jean because she unconsciously reminds him of a grown-up version of his childhood sweetheart, which I think is touching and sweet. I think, for Jean's part, she's a "good girl" falling for a "bad boy", and I love a good opposites-attract romance!

But I also think yes, they do have a connection because they both have a "dark side", if you will. Logan can relate to some part of her that Scott can't, and I think both Jean and Logan sense that, even though they have no conscious awareness of what it is until X3.

 

[D-scythe]

But I also think yes, they do have a connection because they both have a "dark side", if you will. Logan can relate to some part of her that Scott can't, and I think both Jean and Logan sense that, even though they have no conscious awareness of what it is until X3.

If you think Phoenix is Jean's dark side, um, you're wrong. Again, she's schizophrenic - does it make sense to determine the personality of a person based on actions they do when they're off their knocker? Didn't think so.

 

[undomiel]

If you think Phoenix is Jean's dark side, um, you're wrong. Again, she's schizophrenic - does it make sense to determine the personality of a person based on actions they do when they're off their knocker? Didn't think so.

Again, nowhere has it been declared that Jean was "schizophrenic". You are simply assuming that without any basis in fact.

 

[D-scythe]

Again, nowhere has it been declared that Jean was "schizophrenic". You are simply assuming that without any basis in fact.

Fine, let's say you're right. She may not be schizophrenic, but do you have any indication that Phoenix is actually a part of Jean mentally? Absolutely not, since Jean isn't even aware of what Phoenix is doing. It doesn't matter which way you look at it, Jean was not completely sane in X3.

And you cannot judge a person/determine a person's personality based on their insane actions.

 

[undomiel]

Fine, let's say you're right. She may not be schizophrenic, but do you have any indication that Phoenix is actually a part of Jean mentally? Absolutely not, since Jean isn't even aware of what Phoenix is doing. It doesn't matter which way you look at it, Jean was not completely sane in X3.

And you cannot judge a person/determine a person's personality based on their insane actions.

Thank you for saying I'm right -- it's kind of you. Anyway, Jean may not even be Jean in this story.

But as for "judging" a person based on "insane" actions...well, now we would have to get into a deep philosophical discussion to delve into that. After all, what really is "insanity"? Remember, the world did not always conceive of it as we do today. And if a person is indeed insane, is that not still who that person really is, insanity and all?

 

[The Batman]

Undo, are you suggesting that people in a relationship dont lust after other people?

Will and Jada Smith both tell each other about certain celebrities they'd want to have sex with. Just because you're in a relationship dosent mean you find other people attractive.

 

[Ballistic Liz]

I've always liked Wolverine/Jean more than Scott. Even after reading like way too many comics.

And, sadly I didn't fel anything when Scott died...


*I'll only read Logan/Jean fan fic.*


BTW I'm sure the general public will like Logan/Jean more, but that's mostly because Scott/Jean was somwhat lacking, at the very least they should have been way more couplie inj X1.

*ps yup I'm still alive, saw X3 twice opening weekend, but pretty much have a full time job and no interenet makes me one sad girl*

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Personally, I think Logan really needs to find himself his own girl rather than try to steal everybody else's! I love the character to death, but Jean in my eyes was and always will be Scott's true love. I mean Wolverine loves her, but I just think Jean is not his soul mate. If they do adapt parts of Wolverine's Origin miniseries, the only reason Wolverine is attracted to her is because she somewhat resembles Rose, who loved someone else. Plus there's the subliminal guilt factor that attracts Wolverine to Jean because he had accidentally killed Rose. So in Jean he'd be trying to resurrect that which he had wanted with Rose, which is not very healthy to me.

 

[PowersOfMind]

I agree Jean is not Logan's soulmate but I dont think he was trying to steal her. Maybe in X1 and parts of X2 but at the end of X2 he said to Scott that Jean chose him and he respected that decisions.

 

[The Batman]

Personally, I think Logan really needs to find himself his own girl rather than try to steal everybody else's! I love the character to death, but Jean in my eyes was and always will be Scott's true love. I mean Wolverine loves her, but I just think Jean is not his soul mate. If they do adapt parts of Wolverine's Origin miniseries, the only reason Wolverine is attracted to her is because she somewhat resembles Rose, who loved someone else. Plus there's the subliminal guilt factor that attracts Wolverine to Jean because he had accidentally killed Rose. So in Jean he'd be trying to resurrect that which he had wanted with Rose, which is not very healthy to me.

well, he was going in the right track with mariko, but she died on him.

sadly, the comics have revived this love triangle. in the comics, logan like jean, but respected scott enough to let him and jean be.

 

[D-scythe]

Thank you for saying I'm right -- it's kind of you. Anyway, Jean may not even be Jean in this story.

But as for "judging" a person based on "insane" actions...well, now we would have to get into a deep philosophical discussion to delve into that. After all, what really is "insanity"? Remember, the world did not always conceive of it as we do today. And if a person is indeed insane, is that not still who that person really is, insanity and all?

Um, what? Let's go with your reasoning here (which is not mine, btw) - let's say Jean is insane. Yes, being insane is part of being Jean, but can you really determine what Jean wants/feels by her insane actions?

Your saying that yes, being insane is a part of Jean, but how does that prove she loves Logan just because her other "half" lusts deeply for him? Even though insanity is a part of the person, you can't use it to define the person's wants/needs/loves/etc. based on their insane actions.

For example, take a normal guy, he snaps/gets knocked off his knocker and kills someone. Why do you think he can plead insanity in a court to avoid the murder charge? It's because everyone recognizes that the person (or at least a part of the person) is insane, but he cannot be judged by his actions when he is insane. Get it?

If someone says Jean does love Logan because Phoenix lusted for him, than the logical extension of that rationale would be that NOBODY can plead insanity.

And really, I honestly do expect Logan/Jean to be more popular at this point. X1 and X2 set that up, and X3 just solidified it.