The Dark Knight Rises Jeph Loeb defends robin

[BubbaGump]

I don't care what Jeph Loeb defends. He's a mediocre writer at best.

 

[CieloAzul]

WHAT's SO WRONG w/ making THE DARK KNIGHT less accessable ?????

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[Gilpesh]

okay fair enough, but it still needs to loose the stigma (ALL COMICS DO) so that when anyone says BATMAN, adults don't say something like "OH THAT's SO CUTE" or "AWWW that's so adorable, [insert name here] likes superheroes"

Awwww, Bats N' Hornets has a man crush on Batman and Robin... That's so cute.

adults need to recognize all comicbooks as dangerous (KINDA LIKE THEY DID IN THE 50's w/ crime & horror comics)

Then guess what... they'll go after them again.

 

[Caladbolg]

I think this shows that LOEB, being in comics himself knows a lot more about comicbook characters than some FASCIST filmmaker ever could....

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[BubbaGump]

I think this shows that LOEB, being in comics himself knows a lot more about comicbook characters than some FASCIST filmmaker ever could....

And Nolan, being in film, knows a lot more about adapting existing material than some terribly cliched and flawed writer ever could.

Respectable opinion from Loeb.

Just let me know when he's actually directing a movie of Batman with all the work and adaptation problems it implies.

Thank you.

so why can't we have a nolan batman with a robin who balances him out ?


he can still be angrier, but Robin can be pretty dark angry too (OKAY SO NOT FM angry)

i think the problem is that THE ONLY REASON THESE MOVIES ARE RATED pg13 is because ultimately BATMAN (as well as all comics) are seen as for children....

WE NEED 1 movie where the interpretation of Batman and Robin would be so "ADULT" (not pornographic) that parents wouldn't want to associate their children w/ superheroes

BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU FANBOYS HAVE READ @ least one comic in your life.... do you honestly think they are for KIDS?????

WHAT's SO WRONG w/ making THE DARK KNIGHT less accessable ?????

 

[BubbaGump]

i think a lot of batstories could easily be rated R.... especially the ones dealing w/ pedophelia and more adult themes...

one example of an adult themed story ARKHAM ASYLUM

A bat-flick dealing with pedophelia will really rake in the dough.

okay fair enough, but it still needs to loose the stigma (ALL COMICS DO) so that when anyone says BATMAN, adults don't say something like "OH THAT's SO CUTE" or "AWWW that's so adorable, [insert name here] likes superheroes"

You've had this experience...?

i think that when you see a 40 year old man reading a Batman or Robin comic, most folks will either ignore him or not take him seriously.... thinking: Isn't he a little old for that ???

that scares me a bit, because i will probably still read when i turn 40....

Well superheroes being kid stuff is engrained in our culture. In its essence it still is, no matter how "adult" or "mature" the companies these days make it.

Reading comics as you get older isn't neccesarily a bad thing. It's just a part of us that never grew up. Superhero comics are fun and enjoyable. But justifying them and convincing yourself they're serious "adult" literature is delusional. Well, they are to a point (DKR, TKJ--as "mature" as you can get with Batman comics) but a superhero comic coming close to something like Crime and Punishment or the Great Gatsby is just a fanboy dream (arguably even Watchmen). At the end of the day, they're just stories of escapism with muscled men wearing tights and flying around in capes.

It's the truth. Accept it. But that doesn't make them any less enjoyable.

 

[GL1]

Jeph Loeb makes a good point. Robin is a deep, potentially very dark character. For Bale and Nolan to purposefully ignore that is... ignorant. I could understand if they were 'I don't see a way to work him in now...' or 'we've already got Gordon and Alfred doing all the stuff Robin normally does' or whatever... but the 'no Robin' bandwagon is, to me, a wholly ignorant mindset.

Robin hasn't been used to 'lighten up' or 'accessiblize' Batman in many years, and yet he's remained more relevant than most of the DC Universe. For someone to say that Robin's only purpose is to lighten up Batman for kids... well... it's just plain old incorrect, even if you are a big hollywood star, talented movie director, or longtime comic book fan. You can still be absolutely wrong.

 

[NoirMan82]

Jeph Loeb makes a good point. Robin is a deep, potentially very dark character. For Bale and Nolan to purposefully ignore that is... ignorant. I could understand if they were 'I don't see a way to work him in now...' or 'we've already got Gordon and Alfred doing all the stuff Robin normally does' or whatever... but the 'no Robin' bandwagon is, to me, a wholly ignorant mindset.

Robin hasn't been used to 'lighten up' or 'accessiblize' Batman in many years, and yet he's remained more relevant than most of the DC Universe. For someone to say that Robin's only purpose is to lighten up Batman for kids... well... it's just plain old incorrect, even if you are a big hollywood star, talented movie director, or longtime comic book fan. You can still be absolutely wrong.

I'll co-sign to that. Nolan is a great director and person, I love the guy, but he isn't god and authority on the Batman universe. He's fallible and in some cases, wrong.

 

[The Shadow]

Yes, in many cases he's fallible. When Bob Cane and Bill Finger first created Robin. Finger compared Batman to Sherlock Holmes. He said he needed a Watson. That was robin. And robin is very important in the Batman franchise. Nolan would be wise to keep this into consideration. I'm not saying I want a robin that goes, "golly gosh gee-wilakers Batman, holy fiendish flapjacks!!!" I just want to see some form of a robin in the near future, to stay true to the comics.

 

[El Payaso]

Nolan is a great director and person, I love the guy, but he isn't god and authority on the Batman universe. He's fallible and in some cases, wrong.

Of course. We have the fight scenes in Batman begins as a proof.

Yes, in many cases he's fallible. When Bob Cane and Bill Finger first created Robin. Finger compared Batman to Sherlock Holmes. He said he needed a Watson. That was robin. And robin is very important in the Batman franchise. Nolan would be wise to keep this into consideration. I'm not saying I want a robin that goes, "golly gosh gee-wilakers Batman, holy fiendish flapjacks!!!" I just want to see some form of a robin in the near future, to stay true to the comics.

Batman dioesn't need necessarily a Watson. And if he does, he has Alfred, Gordon, Dent and Rachel. All far more credible characters.

 

[The Shadow]

Batman dioesn't need necessarily a Watson. And if he does, he has Alfred, Gordon, Dent and Rachel. All far more credible characters.

I think the creator and co-creator of Batman, would know if Batman needs a sidekick, better than nolan or Bale.

 

[El Payaso]

I think the creator and co-creator of Batman, would know if Batman needs a sidekick, better than nolan or Bale.

If they had to direct a real action movie about Batman they'd know better. If for Bob Kane, Batman can kill.

 

[The Shadow]

Whatever. But, he's still a very important part of the Batman noir.

And I still feel he needs to be in an upcoming film for the story to progress.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

I agree with everything you said Shadow....

Robin is needed.

I mean if Robin can be considered throw away @ times (AND YES HE CAN... BELIEVE ME i've written fan fictions w/ batman alone before) & a lot of my favorite stories showcase Batman alone,

BUT TOO MANY FANS ACT AS IF THE CHARACTER DOESN'T OR NEVER DID EXIST... that is ignoring BATMAN mythology

 

[The Shadow]

Exactly. I can somewhat understand why they want to act as if he never existed. The sixties series and then Chris O'Donnel playing him. But, with the right consideration and talent, they can make this work for the best. Then they can move on to other things like Nightwing, Jason todd/a death in the family, tim drake, knightfall etc. Nolan wants Batman to be a loner and he's gonna have to face it....Batman's not a loner.

 

[Lightning54SC]

Robin is batmans light as his villains are the dark... robin keeps batman from stepping over the edge. I liek the idea fo Grayson being very young and running around Wayne Manor lie 8 year old cuz of his family being murdered and having Bale adopt him and patting him on the head at times and messing his hair up and getting into trouble with alfred... im ok with that after that i dont want it

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Exactly. I can somewhat understand why they want to act as if he never existed. The sixties series and then Chris O'Donnel playing him. But, with the right consideration and talent, they can make this work for the best. Then they can move on to other things like Nightwing, Jason todd/a death in the family, tim drake, knightfall etc. Nolan wants Batman to be a loner and he's gonna have to face it....Batman's not a loner.

Too often fans see Robin from the tv show or movies & that isn't necessarily Robin... i mean there is a reason why Tim Drake's comics are so much darker than the Robin of the 50's - 60's.... and for some reason, the live-action films haven't gotten past Dick Grayson.... I think there is a serious effort to keep Robin light & not seroius. Why do you think Jason Todd never made it into the animated series????

Robin is batmans light as his villains are the dark... robin keeps batman from stepping over the edge. I liek the idea fo Grayson being very young and running around Wayne Manor lie 8 year old cuz of his family being murdered and having Bale adopt him and patting him on the head at times and messing his hair up and getting into trouble with alfred... im ok with that after that i dont want it

Robin is Batman's light, but since the nineties, Tim Drake has been pretty dark himself... I like your idea about a young Grayson... but I think there could be a definate progression into a brooding Robin

 

[The Shadow]

Yes. If you get Dick Grayson,then the movies can evolve into bigger and better things. And more opportunities will be open Batman-wise. Let's face it, Batman can't truly move on without a robin. Eventually they'll need Robin...................The Shadow Know!

 

[NoirMan82]

Yes. If you get Dick Grayson,then the movies can evolve into bigger and better things. And more opportunities will be open Batman-wise. Let's face it, Batman can't truly move on without a robin. Eventually they'll need Robin...................The Shadow Know!

That's what've been saying. Robin is just a progression point in Batman story. Period.

 

[nightwing2010]

totally agree ,even at the citizen's of batman viral even the other night, many fans were saying they want robin to show up in a nolan batfilm, and how annoyed they were at Christian Bale's Idiotic comments, stating how immature and tactless it was for bale to make a statement like that, and how muchs of a hypocrite he comes off as for stating his fave comics is Dark victory wich is very robin centric, and has robin's Origin, yet saying he'll quit if robin shows up? WTF? it was funny because there were Many pro Robin fans at the Citizens of Batman Event!t:

 

[Comics N' Toons]

I agree

 

[nightwing2010]

Jeph Loeb makes a good point. Robin is a deep, potentially very dark character. For Bale and Nolan to purposefully ignore that is... ignorant. I could understand if they were 'I don't see a way to work him in now...' or 'we've already got Gordon and Alfred doing all the stuff Robin normally does' or whatever... but the 'no Robin' bandwagon is, to me, a wholly ignorant mindset.

Robin hasn't been used to 'lighten up' or 'accessiblize' Batman in many years, and yet he's remained more relevant than most of the DC Universe. For someone to say that Robin's only purpose is to lighten up Batman for kids... well... it's just plain old incorrect, even if you are a big hollywood star, talented movie direc, and still has robintor, or longtime comic book fan. You can still be absolutely wrong.

thank you GL exactly my point, that nonsense excuse, about robin lighteneing the tone up, currentley in the comics batman IS as DARK as EVER! and still has Robin, Batgirl etc, so it can be done!!

 

[Lightning54SC]

id rather have Azrael then Robin

 

[nightwing2010]

id rather have Azrael then Robin

Azrael is a nothing throw away Character, that no one outside of us comic fanboys know, Robin is part of LEGEND and batman myth! besides the knightfall storyline, which included Robin and Nightwing! who gives two craps about Azreal!

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Azrael ????????????

compared to robin, he was a minor character

your only talking about someone who was around for a brief period in the 90's