WHAT's SO WRONG w/ making THE DARK KNIGHT less accessable ?????
okay fair enough, but it still needs to loose the stigma (ALL COMICS DO) so that when anyone says BATMAN, adults don't say something like "OH THAT's SO CUTE" or "AWWW that's so adorable, [insert name here] likes superheroes"
adults need to recognize all comicbooks as dangerous (KINDA LIKE THEY DID IN THE 50's w/ crime & horror comics)
I think this shows that LOEB, being in comics himself knows a lot more about comicbook characters than some FASCIST filmmaker ever could....
I think this shows that LOEB, being in comics himself knows a lot more about comicbook characters than some FASCIST filmmaker ever could....
Respectable opinion from Loeb.
Just let me know when he's actually directing a movie of Batman with all the work and adaptation problems it implies.
so why can't we have a nolan batman with a robin who balances him out ?
he can still be angrier, but Robin can be pretty dark angry too (OKAY SO NOT FM angry)
i think the problem is that THE ONLY REASON THESE MOVIES ARE RATED pg13 is because ultimately BATMAN (as well as all comics) are seen as for children....
WE NEED 1 movie where the interpretation of Batman and Robin would be so "ADULT" (not pornographic) that parents wouldn't want to associate their children w/ superheroes
BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU FANBOYS HAVE READ @ least one comic in your life.... do you honestly think they are for KIDS?????
WHAT's SO WRONG w/ making THE DARK KNIGHT less accessable ?????
i think a lot of batstories could easily be rated R.... especially the ones dealing w/ pedophelia and more adult themes...
one example of an adult themed story ARKHAM ASYLUM
okay fair enough, but it still needs to loose the stigma (ALL COMICS DO) so that when anyone says BATMAN, adults don't say something like "OH THAT's SO CUTE" or "AWWW that's so adorable, [insert name here] likes superheroes"
i think that when you see a 40 year old man reading a Batman or Robin comic, most folks will either ignore him or not take him seriously.... thinking: Isn't he a little old for that ???
that scares me a bit, because i will probably still read when i turn 40....
Jeph Loeb makes a good point. Robin is a deep, potentially very dark character. For Bale and Nolan to purposefully ignore that is... ignorant. I could understand if they were 'I don't see a way to work him in now...' or 'we've already got Gordon and Alfred doing all the stuff Robin normally does' or whatever... but the 'no Robin' bandwagon is, to me, a wholly ignorant mindset.
Robin hasn't been used to 'lighten up' or 'accessiblize' Batman in many years, and yet he's remained more relevant than most of the DC Universe. For someone to say that Robin's only purpose is to lighten up Batman for kids... well... it's just plain old incorrect, even if you are a big hollywood star, talented movie director, or longtime comic book fan. You can still be absolutely wrong.
Nolan is a great director and person, I love the guy, but he isn't god and authority on the Batman universe. He's fallible and in some cases, wrong.
Yes, in many cases he's fallible. When Bob Cane and Bill Finger first created Robin. Finger compared Batman to Sherlock Holmes. He said he needed a Watson. That was robin. And robin is very important in the Batman franchise. Nolan would be wise to keep this into consideration. I'm not saying I want a robin that goes, "golly gosh gee-wilakers Batman, holy fiendish flapjacks!!!" I just want to see some form of a robin in the near future, to stay true to the comics.
I think the creator and co-creator of Batman, would know if Batman needs a sidekick, better than nolan or Bale.Batman dioesn't need necessarily a Watson. And if he does, he has Alfred, Gordon, Dent and Rachel. All far more credible characters.
I think the creator and co-creator of Batman, would know if Batman needs a sidekick, better than nolan or Bale.![]()
Exactly. I can somewhat understand why they want to act as if he never existed. The sixties series and then Chris O'Donnel playing him. But, with the right consideration and talent, they can make this work for the best. Then they can move on to other things like Nightwing, Jason todd/a death in the family, tim drake, knightfall etc. Nolan wants Batman to be a loner and he's gonna have to face it....Batman's not a loner.
Robin is batmans light as his villains are the dark... robin keeps batman from stepping over the edge. I liek the idea fo Grayson being very young and running around Wayne Manor lie 8 year old cuz of his family being murdered and having Bale adopt him and patting him on the head at times and messing his hair up and getting into trouble with alfred... im ok with that after that i dont want it
Yes. If you get Dick Grayson,then the movies can evolve into bigger and better things. And more opportunities will be open Batman-wise. Let's face it, Batman can't truly move on without a robin. Eventually they'll need Robin...................The Shadow Know!
thank you GL exactly my point, that nonsense excuse, about robin lighteneing the tone up, currentley in the comics batman IS as DARK as EVER! and still has Robin, Batgirl etc, so it can be done!!Jeph Loeb makes a good point. Robin is a deep, potentially very dark character. For Bale and Nolan to purposefully ignore that is... ignorant. I could understand if they were 'I don't see a way to work him in now...' or 'we've already got Gordon and Alfred doing all the stuff Robin normally does' or whatever... but the 'no Robin' bandwagon is, to me, a wholly ignorant mindset.
Robin hasn't been used to 'lighten up' or 'accessiblize' Batman in many years, and yet he's remained more relevant than most of the DC Universe. For someone to say that Robin's only purpose is to lighten up Batman for kids... well... it's just plain old incorrect, even if you are a big hollywood star, talented movie direc, and still has robintor, or longtime comic book fan. You can still be absolutely wrong.
Azrael is a nothing throw away Character, that no one outside of us comic fanboys know, Robin is part of LEGEND and batman myth! besides the knightfall storyline, which included Robin and Nightwing! who gives two craps about Azreal!id rather have Azrael then Robin