The Avengers Jeremy Renner is Hawkeye! - Part 1

[Savage]

Well that's just you, man. Archery is one of those things that either you like or you don't. Just like some people don't like guns or some people prefer swords or prefer non-powered heroes to superpowered heroes.

I think every incarnation of Hawkeye has been awesome so far (except for maybe the 90s Avengers cartoon) and hope to see more of him. Maybe they'll even mention his circus background or a history with Taskmaster. Now there's an assassin I'd like to see on the big screen. Maybe as a Hydra agent to counter SHIELD's Hawkeye. It'd be cool if they were former partners, even, or had a history before that (like growing up in the circus or student-teacher).

It'd be a great way to sneak in Avengers moves too like Cap's fighting style and his moves with his shield or Black Widow's luchador type of fighting. Taskmaster may not be an Avengers level threat but he'd be a big deal for guys like Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick fury, and even Captain America.

 

[antonydelfini]

This is from his interview 1 year ago.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...feige_says_hawkeye_black_widow_own_solo_films

"There's no definitive plans, but we have started talking and talking with Scarlett about what a Widow movie could be," he said. "Internally we've also started thinking what a 'Hawkeye' movie could be, how we could continue to explore the organization [which Samuel Jackson's Nick Fury leads] S.H.I.E.L.D, which has a pretty big part in 'Thor,' smaller parts in the two 'Iron Man' films and has a giant part in 'The Avengers.' [So it's like], what would a stand-alone "S.H.I.E.L.D." be like? It all goes back to the comics. Sometimes the answer is -- when looking at a certain run of issues -- 'no way' and sometimes the answer is 'maybe, let's continue to explore it' and certainly with Hawkeye and Black Widow those are two that we're exploring."

This is from his interview 1 year ago. With the box office doing great, this could really happen. Kevin Feige is a genius. Please make the SHIELD movie free from super powered guys. It has to be Marvel's espionage franchise.

 

[Raiden]

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...feige_says_hawkeye_black_widow_own_solo_films

"There's no definitive plans, but we have started talking and talking with Scarlett about what a Widow movie could be," he said. "Internally we've also started thinking what a 'Hawkeye' movie could be, how we could continue to explore the organization [which Samuel Jackson's Nick Fury leads] S.H.I.E.L.D, which has a pretty big part in 'Thor,' smaller parts in the two 'Iron Man' films and has a giant part in 'The Avengers.' [So it's like], what would a stand-alone "S.H.I.E.L.D." be like? It all goes back to the comics. Sometimes the answer is -- when looking at a certain run of issues -- 'no way' and sometimes the answer is 'maybe, let's continue to explore it' and certainly with Hawkeye and Black Widow those are two that we're exploring."

Kevin Feige is a genius. Please make the SHIELD movie free from super powered guys. It has to be Marvel's espionage franchise.

Oh yeah, I'd love to see a SHIELD movie featuring both BW and Hawkeye, or spin them off to their own solo movies. Marvel just has to make sure to surround these movies with good filmmakers so they won't end up with an Elektra on their hands.

 

[RockSP]

I'd rather see Hawkeye and Black Widow in a SHIELD movie over solo flicks.

 

[Mars452]

Well given all the tech SHIELD has, I don't discount that they have great medical staff. So that's entirely plausible, since post battle neither of them really had that many scars/bruises as such. Either they heal really quickly, or SHIELD has access to a medical tricorder or two....

And then Nick Fury's adjutant/chief lieutenant/executive officer catches shrapnel from a frag grenade and ends up wearing that battle damage for the rest of the movie. You'd think a possible concussion and brain hemorrhage or a severely frakked up ankle would be harder to fix up than a superficial cut. (Although, I suppose, there's triage or Hill turning away the medics, but still, as I understand it the proper treatment for a guy who's banged his head against a big metal thing very hard is to sit his ass down and watch for a day or so to make sure he doesn't fall into a coma, not to let him run off into a war zone.)

Yeah those BW guns looked 'puny'.

They really were. According to IMFDB BW was using 9mm Glock 26s, which are the subcompact version of the Glock 17 Hill and halfall of the NYPD were using. God knows why she picked that gun. Were ScarJo's hands too small? She's running around in a skintight catsuit, she sure as hell isn't going to be worried about concealment.

 

[flickchick85]

I'd rather see Hawkeye and Black Widow in a SHIELD movie over solo flicks.

My ideal scenario would be to have BW and Hawkeye be a part of Cap 2. I know that goes against the "non-superpowered" people wish that some of you have, but it could still largely be an espionage movie, and Cap's not THAT super-powered that he wouldn't fit in with the day-to-day SHIELD operations, so it wouldn't be too different. Besides, we already know Cap's gonna be working for SHIELD in Cap 2, so it's already kind of a SHIELD movie by default. Just makes sense, imo.

At any rate, I like the 3 of them together. Hawkeye and BW make a great team, sure, but so did BW and Cap in Avengers, and didn't Hawkeye see Cap as something of a mentor in the comics? The way I see it, there's a great dynamic to be explored between all 3 of them.

 

[Hawkingbird]

I'd like to see him in the next Cap movie. I really want to see his petty arguments with Steve!

 

[TheHawkeye]

And then Nick Fury's adjutant/chief lieutenant/executive officer catches shrapnel from a frag grenade and ends up wearing that battle damage for the rest of the movie. You'd think a possible concussion and brain hemorrhage or a severely frakked up ankle would be harder to fix up than a superficial cut. (Although, I suppose, there's triage or Hill turning away the medics, but still, as I understand it the proper treatment for a guy who's banged his head against a big metal thing very hard is to sit his ass down and watch for a day or so to make sure he doesn't fall into a coma, not to let him run off into a war zone.)

They may have fixed the more serious damage, but Hill turned away medics (as we've seen) there were likely people with more serious injuries than hers, so she could've gotten them to fix the more serious injuries just so that she's able to do stuff.

Maybe Barton has a really hard head? We didn't see any bruises and such after the fight (at least none that I've seen). Or he not a fan of medics, and if he's told to sit his ass down and wait, he'd just ignore it, he sort of seems like the type. Would've loved to see a scene like that, but it wasn't essential to the movie as such. Especially given the scene he and BW just had about going out and fighting those things.

They really were. According to IMFDB BW was using 9mm Glock 26s, which are the subcompact version of the Glock 17 Hill and halfall of the NYPD were using. God knows why she picked that gun. Were ScarJo's hands too small? She's running around in a skintight catsuit, she sure as hell isn't going to be worried about concealment.

I would've thought with the arsenal SHIELD likely has, couldn't they at least give her one of those big ass guns? But then, you know, she made do with what she had and utilized her hand-to-hand skills quite well.

 

[TheHawkeye]

My ideal scenario would be to have BW and Hawkeye be a part of Cap 2. I know that goes against the "non-superpowered" people wish that some of you have, but it could still largely be an espionage movie, and Cap's not THAT super-powered that he wouldn't fit in with the day-to-day SHIELD operations, so it wouldn't be too different. Besides, we already know Cap's gonna be working for SHIELD in Cap 2, so it's already kind of a SHIELD movie by default. Just makes sense, imo.

At any rate, I like the 3 of them together. Hawkeye and BW make a great team, sure, but so did BW and Cap in Avengers, and didn't Hawkeye see Cap as something of a mentor in the comics? The way I see it, there's a great dynamic to be explored between all 3 of them.

Good points. Cap's not THAT super-powered, he's just a soldier on steroids, he can still get injured quite badly. We've seen it happen in the movie.
It would be nice to bring in HW and BW into Cap 2. Maybe TPTB will do that once they see how popular Black Widow and Hawkeye are with the fans.

out of everyone there, him and BW need more development as characters.

 

[Mars452]

They may have fixed the more serious damage, but Hill turned away medics (as we've seen) there were likely people with more serious injuries than hers, so she could've gotten them to fix the more serious injuries just so that she's able to do stuff.

Maybe Barton has a really hard head? We didn't see any bruises and such after the fight (at least none that I've seen). Or he not a fan of medics, and if he's told to sit his ass down and wait, he'd just ignore it, he sort of seems like the type. Would've loved to see a scene like that, but it wasn't essential to the movie as such. Especially given the scene he and BW just had about going out and fighting those things.

It's not a matter of how hard the skull is, because the skull is irrelevant. The problem is that big squishy mass of tissue inside the skull, which is important. And many brain injuries are caused by the brain impacting the inside of the skull (or kinetic energy not being absorbed by the skull), natural cushioning be damned.

Head trauma, period, is cause for concern. That was a lot of head trauma.

I would've thought with the arsenal SHIELD likely has, couldn't they at least give her one of those big ass guns? But then, you know, she made do with what she had and utilized her hand-to-hand skills quite well.

Seriously, if BW was taking Chintauri mooks down with rounds from her 9mm peashooters, the National Guard or the SHIELD response troops which sadly never got deployed would have rolled over Loki's invasion force in short order. But still, she could've grabbed an assault rifle or something. Doesn't help that ScarJo looked downright silly holding two Glock 26s like she did. Seriously, Johansson, ask Cobie Smulders for the guy who taught her how to hold a gun, because you're doing it wrong (although I'm a little biased, because I think dual wielding guns is stupid). Hell, SLJ looked like he was doing it right. The should have had an inhouse technical advisor somewhere.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, because when the planet is getting invaded by a hostile alien force, SHIELD is totally gonna pull some occupational health and safety clause on Hawkeye.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'd like to see him in the next Cap movie. I really want to see his petty arguments with Steve!

Yeah he could work in the next Captain America movie! t:

 

[TheHawkeye]

Yeah, because when the planet is getting invaded by a hostile alien force, SHIELD is totally gonna pull some occupational health and safety clause on Hawkeye.

Point, besides if he *wanted* to go, doubt anyone would've stopped him. Pretty sure he was feeling guilt over what he did whilst being mindf***ed by Loki.

It's not a matter of how hard the skull is, because the skull is irrelevant. The problem is that big squishy mass of tissue inside the skull, which is important. And many brain injuries are caused by the brain impacting the inside of the skull (or kinetic energy not being absorbed by the skull), natural cushioning be damned.

Head trauma, period, is cause for concern. That was a lot of head trauma.

Not disagreeing there, lot of head trauma there for sure. maybe SHIELD docs are especially good at fixing that sort of trauma quick considering the....business SHIELD is in?

Seriously, if BW was taking Chintauri mooks down with rounds from her 9mm peashooters, the National Guard or the SHIELD response troops which sadly never got deployed would have rolled over Loki's invasion force in short order. But still, she could've grabbed an assault rifle or something. Doesn't help that ScarJo looked downright silly holding two Glock 26s like she did. Seriously, Johansson, ask Cobie Smulders for the guy who taught her how to hold a gun, because you're doing it wrong (although I'm a little biased, because I think dual wielding guns is stupid). Hell, SLJ looked like he was doing it right. The should have had an inhouse technical advisor somewhere.

Yeah she did look silly holding two Glocks, I laughed out loud when we see all of them assembled in a circle, camera pans around as they all get ready and she just cocks her gun. like, REALLY? you're going to kick alien ass with THAT?! Good luck! But we can see later she was using the Chitauri's staff weapons against them. Either after she's ran out of bullets or found out that "DUH, guns are useless against aliens" Remember she's never fought aliens before, so it's not like she will know for sure guns won't work on them. (although it's a logical deduction)

Dual wielding guns is done only because it looks cool, it's actually a very ineffective use of weapons. I think Mythbusters also did an episode on some of the gun-wielding techniques a while ago.

 

[Scarlettess]

saw Avengers again last night, I love Hawkeye in this, not really a fan of his comic counter-part (well apart from when Cap died and he started to take on the leader role) though did anyone feel like maybe quite a few scenes of his were cut? Like I remember Joss saying he cut like 30 minutes and it was alot of Cap, but I'm wondering if alot of it was also Hawkeye.

 

[TheHawkeye]

^ Agreed. Yes, Joss mentioned he had to cut out a good chunk as the original final cut ended up being over 3 hours. But it WILL be on the BluRay/DVD so, it's all good. fingers crossed there will be more Hawkeye scenes there.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

He would have had to cut at least 45 mins if it was over 3 hours. And are you sure it will be on the Blu-Ray? Whedon also said no matter what gets cut, his final cut of the film is the definitive cut and he hates all that directors cut stuff. I wouldn't get my hopes up, as awesome as it would be.

 

[TheHawkeye]

^ he did mention in an interview ( http://collider.com/joss-whedon-the-avengers-2-sequel-interview/160713/ ) that there will be 30 minutes of extra footage on there. Obviously , i can't say for certain what will be on the BluRay, but I hope they announce it soon.

This cut of the film worked; no slow and boring parts. Anything extra is good to have/see, but it's not highly essential to the movie. You know like they could've shot scenes with Hawkeye and Fury, or when Fury finds out Caulson's gone, or some scenes with Loki and Hawkeye whilst Hawkeye was under Loki's control; or the Cap getting used to "modern life" but frankly, none of these are highly essential to keep the plot moving, as such.

 

[Drizzle]

I'd rather see Hawkeye and Black Widow in a SHIELD movie over solo flicks.

Agreed. I want to see an all-encompassing SHIELD movie featuring Fury, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Hill as the core characters. Plenty of flashbacks too to give us insight to their backgrounds. Flashbacks would also be an opportunity for Coulson to come back in some form. As much as I love Fury, BW and Hawkeye, I'd prefer to see them work as a team rather than each of them have their own solo films.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'd rather see Hawkeye and Black Widow in a SHIELD movie over solo flicks.

My ideal scenario would be to have BW and Hawkeye be a part of Cap 2.

I could go either way here. I wouldn't be that excited over either one having a solo pic tbh

 

[Lobo]

I'd definitely love to see a movie about when Shield sends Hawkeye to kill Natasha and instead he recruits her. As I was googling Hawkeye villains the other day, Crossfire would be an ideal villain and Counterpoint to Clint IMO.

 

[C. Lee]

I'm just remembering back to the guy who did an extensive essay on how bad the director was, and how bad of an actor Renner was because in some of the pics released before the movie came out his eyes didn't line up exactly with where the arrows were pointed.....then think about how cool scenes in the movie were when Hawkeye is looking in completely opposite direction of where he shoots.

 

[Drummerdude7]

The scene with Hawkeye shooting down a Chitauri without even looking was just pure win.

 

[TheHawkeye]

The scene with Hawkeye shooting down a Chitauri without even looking was just pure win.

Yes! First time i saw this at the premiere, the whole theater clapped and went "WHOO!"

and he did that whilst having a conversation with the other Avengers. all casual like...

that scene just cemented his badassed-ness, IMO.

 

[TheHawkeye]

I'm just remembering back to the guy who did an extensive essay on how bad the director was, and how bad of an actor Renner was because in some of the pics released before the movie came out his eyes didn't line up exactly with where the arrows were pointed.....then think about how cool scenes in the movie were when Hawkeye is looking in completely opposite direction of where he shoots.

Yeah so Hawkeye's archery technique is dodgy (Renner talked about that in an interview, he actually learned how to use a bow and everything, but the movie called for superhero type moves, so yeah... that happened. ) And who cares if arrows don't line up with his eyes! The guy who did that essay should've done one on a documentary of archery not on a movie based on a comic book. geez

 

[zentype]

A friend was at the red carpet premiere and asked Renner about it. He told her (off the record) that he'd seen my article and that I was absolutely right, he had no training and didn't know what he was doing. You can bet they will hire a coach for the sequel. You can also bet it won't be me, since I was a jerk to him in public.

Please tell me you weren't a jerk to him because he didn't get his archery form right in the movie.. That wasn't the reason right?

I have to say, I enjoyed your articles and learned quite a bit from them. I haven't held my bow in years. But agree with others that it shouldn't interfere with the enjoyment of the movie. Though I *don't* agree if you were personally attacked here because of it. It is after all just an opinion. People should just take it as that.

Me being in tech, see fake, laughingly, bad computer hacking attempts on TV and movies all the time. I just chuckle and move on. Same with engineers who don't fail to enjoy Iron Man because there's no way you can have thrusters that fit in boots and gloves, etc. I just take it for what it is: fiction.

Anyway back to my original point, why were you a jerk to him? Was he being cocky, rude to you, etc. (If so, I don't blame you) Or was it something more.. nit-picky? You seemed to take special pride in being a jerk towards him. I'd hate to think it was because of his form, because if that was why.. then maybe those who accused you of being overly anal were right --sorry to say.

Care to share? I'm curious.