The Rise of Skywalker JJ Abrams is Writing and Directing Episode IX

[Iceman]

As far as the new canon my favorite book so far has been Lords of the Sith. The only other one I haven't read yet that I REALLY want to is Dark Disciple. It sounds so good.

DD has been mentioned in every recommendation post to ma haha. Is LotS a one off or part of a series?

 

[guitarsingerguy]

DD has been mentioned in every recommendation post to ma haha. Is LotS a one off or part of a series?

It's a one off, and it's a fascinating look inside Vader's thought process and how he truly still thinks what he's doing is right.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

DD has been mentioned in every recommendation post to ma haha. Is LotS a one off or part of a series?

Lord of the Sith is a one off novel with a rather glorious Sith action scene.

 

[Iceman]

Ah right, thanks guys. Another one for the list!!

 

[Marvolo]

Id recommend A New Dawn if you like Rebels. I enjoyed that one. Its not one of the standout books but it tells how Kanan met Hera and their first "job" together. Plus its got an over the top sadistic cyborg human as the villain.

 

[Doctor Jones]

When ever Doctor Jones claims it is just about understanding his views or he isn't trying to win arguments I always remember him actually getting mad at people for enjoying this past Celebration. He is here to do battle over these movies, and I don't know why.

No, that's what you were all telling yourselves what it was. I was irritated that people at the Celebration just take these things at face value. They're indicative of what's wrong with a lot of the fandom right now. A mass that just sees that it's SW so nothing is wrong with it. I wasn't mad that they enjoyed it as a Celebration for the SW films. I don't have a problem with people enjoying them. It's when people just blindly love them and don't engage in criticism is when it annoys me. It's possible to still love these movies and admit their faults and there are. But many people just can't do that. This is an emperor has no clothes scenario.

If you actually read my posts and understand what I'm saying, you'd know I'm not just here to do battle with these movies. Because you've seen me SO MANY times in these threads over the past year disrupting your delicate discussions. But bunch me in with Grootster who tries to argue box office facts. Whatever makes you feel right. I'm looking at these movies on their own terms.

I'm not getting into a tedious, circular discussion where you're going to try to prove me wrong and convince yourself that you're right. Or post a snarky gif or funny picture to counter me. Whatever makes you feel good. Or maybe we can actually have a discussion if I like TLJ when it comes out, which I sincerely hope I do. Goodbye.

 

[I Am The Knight]

 

[Man in the Suit]

In my fantasy world for TLJ, Luke turns evil (if not play with it) Rey is a botched clone of Luke that came from the DNA in his hand, Poe is killed, Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren forge their own path in the force that's very new along with Rey who joins him after seeing he was right, the First Order was a huge smokescreen for Snoke and ala The Winer Soldier, it all goes down so we can get rid of all the damn Empire aesthetic, and we know his true plan and where he comes from, Luke is trapped in between The Force like Cooper in the Black Lodge, the Resistance is no longer the Resistance. The idea of the New Republic being the new status quo was something that should have remained.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Id recommend A New Dawn if you like Rebels. I enjoyed that one. Its not one of the standout books but it tells how Kanan met Hera and their first "job" together. Plus its got an over the top sadistic cyborg human as the villain.

Oh I forgot all about A New Dawn. It was pretty good. It certainly looks at Kanan differently...at least in the beginning. Thinking of a Jedi being a bartending drunk brawler just put a smile on my face for some reason.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, that's what you were all telling yourselves what it was. I was irritated that people at the Celebration just take these things at face value. They're indicative of what's wrong with a lot of the fandom right now. A mass that just sees that it's SW so nothing is wrong with it. I wasn't mad that they enjoyed it as a Celebration for the SW films. I don't have a problem with people enjoying them. It's when people just blindly love them and don't engage in criticism is when it annoys me. It's possible to still love these movies and admit their faults and there are. But many people just can't do that. This is an emperor has no clothes scenario.

If you actually read my posts and understand what I'm saying, you'd know I'm not just here to do battle with these movies. Because you've seen me SO MANY times in these threads over the past year disrupting your delicate discussions. But bunch me in with Grootster who tries to argue box office facts. Whatever makes you feel right. I'm looking at these movies on their own terms.

I'm not getting into a tedious, circular discussion where you're going to try to prove me wrong and convince yourself that you're right. Or post a snarky gif or funny picture to counter me. Whatever makes you feel good. Or maybe we can actually have a discussion if I like TLJ when it comes out, which I sincerely hope I do. Goodbye.

Yeah. Well, people can read for themselves.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=527365&page=34

It really does seem to bother you that people really enjoy new Star Wars and I think that is sad. Why can't people just want to consume Star Wars as a whole and enjoy it? If they don't see a problem, why is it a problem for you? It is their entertainment. You couldn't wait to rush here to make sure everyone knows JJ is going to be a problem.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I now understand the defense of Lucas' "vision" for the prequels.

 

[Mask&Cape]

I'm usually optimistic about movies but I have to admit to a little disappointment and concern about Abrams coming back for IX.

I'm a big fan of the man and TFA was fantastic - great story, great characters and great action - but there were a lot similarities to ANH. It wasn't a carbon copy like some claim but Jakku should have been an urban wasteland not a desert, the Resistance base was just Yavin and the "Resistance" should actually have the Republic military not an excuse to have the Rebellion back - at the very least the script could have stated it was a clandestine branch of the military. Starkiller Base was not a Death Star rehash like some claim, but every superweapon is allows going to get that comparison.

Star Wars needs some of fantastical environments like those Lucas created for the Prequels and like those we get in Guardians of the Galaxy or Valerian. I want cities and space stations and man eating plants ( ) to go along with scenes being shot in the real world. The reason the original trilogy was set in the outskirts of the galaxy was because that was where the Rebels stood the best chance of success and because the state of technology at the time couldn't give a good "civilised world". I'm worried that Abrams takes this "grounded" malarky too far and wouldn't give us a world like Christopsis, Dathomir or Xander or a Battle of Mon Cal.

I was hoping that Rain Johnson would take the job or at least be one of the writers. I'm avoiding actual spoilers but everything else coming from cast, crew and the sizzle reel is showing that Johnson really gets everything and is a real collaborator.

If not Johnson then Kennedy should have tried to poach Matt Reeves from The Batman. Those Apes movies are just fantastic.

I'm not "anti-Abrams" - far from it - but I'm just concerned that he is more preoccupied with the way movies are made than with Star Wars itself. I hope that at Christmas 2019 I'm embarrassed to have doubt the man. :P

 

[Mask&Cape]

Yeah. Well, people can read for themselves.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=527365&page=34

It really does seem to bother you that people really enjoy new Star Wars and I think that is sad. Why can't people just want to consume Star Wars as a whole and enjoy it? If they don't see a problem, why is it a problem for you? It is their entertainment. You couldn't wait to rush here to make sure everyone knows JJ is going to be a problem.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with fans just enjoying Star Wars with a critical eye and just because it is Star Wars.

Nothing wrong with not loving every bit of it just for the sake of it.

The only thing wrong are those people who are just negative in general.

 

[Marvolo]

In my fantasy world for TLJ, Luke turns evil (if not play with it) Rey is a botched clone of Luke that came from the DNA in his hand, Poe is killed, Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren forge their own path in the force that's very new along with Rey who joins him after seeing he was right, the First Order was a huge smokescreen for Snoke and ala The Winer Soldier, it all goes down so we can get rid of all the damn Empire aesthetic, and we know his true plan and where he comes from, Luke is trapped in between The Force like Cooper in the Black Lodge, the Resistance is no longer the Resistance. The idea of the New Republic being the new status quo was something that should have remained.

I'm not saying these things needs to happen (though that'd be nice!). It's just illustrating my point. I won't come down on the movie if these things won't happen, I'll judge it on its own merits, but my point is I'd like to see stuff like this!

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'll make this perfectly clear. There is only one goddamned clone made from Luke's severed hand, and his name is Luuke Skywalker. He died for our sins at Mount Tantiss.

 

[Broseph44]

Doctor Jones back at it again Wow, unreal.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'll make this perfectly clear. There is only one goddamned clone made from Luke's severed hand, and his name is Luuke Skywalker. He died for our sins at Mount Tantiss.

At the hands of the most amazing ginger.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Canon or Legends, she's certainly one of the best female characters the franchise has.

 

[Mask&Cape]

At the hands of the most amazing ginger.

Hux wasn't in that story.

Canon or Legends, she's certainly one of the best female characters the franchise has.

I've never under people's fascination (if that is the right word) with Mara Jade. She was a one dimensional character who motives and actions made no sense. Plus, the Thrown trilogy ended by showing her as a very weak minded person - she couldn't overcome Palpatine's last command by her own will power - having her free herself by killing any Luke Skywalker was itself daft. And marriage more bizarre still.

 

[Sithborg]

Canon or Legends, she's certainly one of the best female characters the franchise has.

It is entirely up on who is writing her, though. Even Zahn, the last few times he wrote her, did a horrible job.

Still, letting Traviss kill her was a low blow.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It is entirely up on who is writing her, though. Even Zahn, the last few times he wrote her, did a horrible job.

Still, letting Traviss kill her was a low blow.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I've never under people's fascination (if that is the right word) with Mara Jade. She was a one dimensional character who motives and actions made no sense. Plus, the Thrown trilogy ended by showing her as a very weak minded person - she couldn't overcome Palpatine's last command by her own will power - having her free herself by killing any Luke Skywalker was itself daft. And marriage more bizarre still.

I think that's a fairly broad statement, and not one I particularly share. But speaking for the Palpatine thing, I wouldn't consider her weak by not being able to cast off decades of supernatural influence from what is basically the franchise's equvilant to Satan. I'd argue the fact that she never gave into it despite not being a properly trained Jedi would imply the opposite.

It is entirely up on who is writing her, though. Even Zahn, the last few times he wrote her, did a horrible job.

Still, letting Traviss kill her was a low blow.

That's the same with any character though, it always depends on the actual storyteller to make the character and story work. Lord knows I've read plenty of stories that misused Vader. And as much as I might hold Zahn in high esteem, Allegiance and Choices of One weren't great books and I very much got the impression that they were half-hearted efforts. The concept of Robin Hood-esque Stormtroopers going on missions with Mara was incredibly uninteresting.

Though, I feel like a lot of the EU around those last few years took a nose dive of quality, Traviss/Denning's whole thing with Jacen and Legacy of the Force being one of the more serious offenders. Luceno's Plagueis was probably the last "great" novel to come out before the Disney deal, at least in my opinion.

 

[Lencho01]

'Star Wars' Director Drama: How J.J. Abrams Jilted Paramount for 'Episode IX'

 

[Marvolo]

Pulling Abrams away from a star wars job is probably like trying to pull a rawhide from a rabid mastiff.

 

[Mask&Cape]

I think that's a fairly broad statement, and not one I particularly share. But speaking for the Palpatine thing, I wouldn't consider her weak by not being able to cast off decades of supernatural influence from what is basically the franchise's equvilant to Satan. I'd argue the fact that she never gave into it despite not being a properly trained Jedi would imply the opposite.

Satan can't force a person to do something against their will. He whispers and corrupts but the decision is yours.

Strength comes from resisting evil and choosing your own path. Mara is not able to this unless she gives in and obeys Palpatine.

Plus, the notion of killing something that looks like Luke satisfies the voice in her head is just silly. She knows it isn't him so why is that enough?

Setting that aside, her character up to that point and in the books that followed was nothing special or original.

I've never been a Boba Fett superfan either - he did nothing and had little personality - but I can get how fans got into the character because he looks cool and is mysterious. Personally, he only became interesting in AotC and Clone Wars.

I just don't get what it is about Mara though? Why do you she is "one of the best females"?

I know the list isn't very long them but honestly Mara Jade won't even be at the bottom. I'd put Guri on it and I don't like the idea of robots in people suits. In film and TV, it is just lazy and penny pinching and not an artistic decision or other cliches excuse.