The Dark Knight Joker's origin

[Ronny Shade]

problem: Joker already exists by the end of BB.

 

[raybia]

problem: Joker already exists by the end of BB.

No, I meant a flashback to Mr. and Mrs. J. Kerr on their wedding night. t:

 

[L0ngsh0t]

remember, at the end if Batman Begins, the joker had already a double homicide record, and was already leaving joker cards at the scene of his crimes...leaves me to beleive that he doesnt need an origin, because he already is the joker before The Dark Knight even begins

This is true

just let him be, I agree, he is already there

 

[Fatal Hilarity]

This may have been considered or done but how about The Joker telling his story while he is on trial? Maybe as a way to gain the hearts of the jury by showing what terrible things have happened to cause his insanity. This way the origin doesn't have to be in TDK at all or at least not until the very end. His telling of the story could possibly clarify some confusing bits that had accured during the film..... or have the entire movie be a narration by the Joker telling his story (TDK) to the Jury. Scratch that....

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

To quote myself a while back in the sequel's thread...


"I'd like to see the Joker on trail at the beginning of the third movie and then introduce the Killing Joke orgin but not making it clear if it's the truth or not. Joker scars Dent,escapes and is hunted by Two Face.Batman then has to deal with capturing both villians."

 

[batman7289]

seein kerr would rock

 

[Motown Marvel]

problem: Joker already exists by the end of BB.

not necessarily. a killer who uses a joker calling card exists.....it doesnt mean he's the joker yet. i think it'd be nice if the calling card is used by the red hood gang. red hood gang picks up a desperate and failing comedian to help pull a job for quick cash, batman comes....etc....

 

[StorminNorman]

not necessarily. a killer who uses a joker calling card exists.....it doesnt mean he's the joker yet. i think it'd be nice if the calling card is used by the red hood gang. red hood gang picks up a desperate and failing comedian to help pull a job for quick cash, batman comes....etc....

If the Joker is not THE JOKER at the end of Batman Begins then the Dark Knight is crap. Period. You can not have a killer use the Joker card as a calling card and then BECOME the Joker after a freak accident.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Yeah. You use a joker as a calling card and then you just happen to be horribly disfigured to look exactly like a clown? nuh uh.

 

[Motown Marvel]

If the Joker is not THE JOKER at the end of Batman Begins then the Dark Knight is crap. Period. You can not have a killer use the Joker card as a calling card and then BECOME the Joker after a freak accident.

wow. really? so, no matter how good DK ends up being, you'll consider it total crap if the joker doesnt exist already?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

wow. really? so, no matter how good DK ends up being, you'll consider it total crap if the joker doesnt exist already?

Haha nice, thats what talking in absolutes gets you Norman, yeah, what if its best movie ever, and it is unanimously award the best movie on the planet by 4 billion people in the world, the first award of its kind ever, they name it the NolansKnight award because the movie is so ****ing good, what if it cures cancer? But there is just one problem...the Joker doesn't exist at the end of BB


I do agree its not the best way to go, but if the moive cures cancer, I think I could be swayed into thinking its not complete crap

 

[Ronny Shade]

He was saying that the plot contrivances that would necessarily come from the Joker not existing at the end of BB would more than likely create gaping holes in the plot structure and therefore drastically weaken the impact and quality of the film.

 

[Cosmic]

I hope to see the Joker as a mysterious, diabolically evil character. I think they should avoid explaining or revealing too much.

 

[Ronny Shade]

join us, brother!

 

[Eastwood]

i think the joker should have a origin no flash backs a real origin and show how he turns into the joker i don't want him to start the movie looking like the joker

 

[StorminNorman]

i think the joker should have a origin no flash backs a real origin and show how he turns into the joker i don't want him to start the movie looking like the joker

But according to Batman Begins - he is the Joker already.

 

[DeFett]

I wonder how much time has passed from the Train wreck to the meeting on the roof?

For some reason I always get the feeling that a couple of months have passed as Gordon is promoted, and talks about escalation, haven't found Crane yet?

The reason I ask because I wonder if they will try and tie in The Jokers origin with the fear gas plaguing The Narrows.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Also, Stormin', you and I have talked about TDK staying a Batman movie and I think if Nolan showed Joker's origin from the beginning of this movie to explain it would put Nolan back in place as Burton did with the first Batman movie being a Joker movie. I personally wouldn't mind it bc I like the explanations of villains becomming villains but it could overshadow Batty.

 

[Ibn]

I really want joker's origin in the movie. Not flashback but in the movie itself. Batman fights this guy but he fell into a vat of chemicals. Then he becomes the joker. That would give more reasons for the joker to hunt and kill batman. All this destroying the city stuff is boring. The joker could hold rachael hostage as a trap to kill batman but he ends up shooting rachael after the plan foiled.

Thank God I'm not alone.

 

[Ibn]

I wonder how much time has passed from the Train wreck to the meeting on the roof?

For some reason I always get the feeling that a couple of months have passed as Gordon is promoted, and talks about escalation, haven't found Crane yet?

The reason I ask because I wonder if they will try and tie in The Jokers origin with the fear gas plaguing The Narrows.

YOOOOOO!!! Did you do that avatar? THAT **** IS CRAZY!

 

[Miranda Fox]

I wonder how much time has passed from the Train wreck to the meeting on the roof?

For some reason I always get the feeling that a couple of months have passed as Gordon is promoted, and talks about escalation, haven't found Crane yet?

The reason I ask because I wonder if they will try and tie in The Jokers origin with the fear gas plaguing The Narrows.

It would be as good as any. Who knows what happened to those people - it's hardly a stretch that some chemical plant worker fell in to the basin while under the influence of it. Also, it's possible Batman may never find out who he is and the whole Narrows being lost situation makes that feasible - I doubt anyone knows how many people are missing in there, never mind their names.

IMO, the fact the Joker didn't show up till after this is a big clue.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I wonder how much time has passed from the Train wreck to the meeting on the roof?

For some reason I always get the feeling that a couple of months have passed as Gordon is promoted, and talks about escalation, haven't found Crane yet?

The reason I ask because I wonder if they will try and tie in The Jokers origin with the fear gas plaguing The Narrows.

Batman and Gordon obviously hadn't seen each other since the train part. The narrows situation was still obviously unresolved. It couldn't have been too long.

 

[Ronny Shade]

IMO, the fact the Joker didn't show up till after this is a big clue.

Year One ends almost exactly the same way. Does that mean Joker is an estranged Falcone henchman?

 

[Miranda Fox]

Year One ends almost exactly the same way. Does that mean Joker is an estranged Falcone henchman?

Fine, Mr. Nitpicky. But I stand by what I said.

 

[Ronny Shade]

It's possible. I just worry about Fear gas turning into the "meteor-rock" of this franchise. Though I doubt it will.