The Dark Knight Joker's origin

[Miranda Fox]

It's possible. I just worry about Fear gas turning into the "meteor-rock" of this franchise. Though I doubt it will.

Oh god no...

I take it back. Anything but that.

I still like Smallville though...

 

[Ronny Shade]

Yeah, but the thing is, Smallville kinda sucks. I love it, but it kinda sucks.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Yeah, but the thing is, Smallville kinda sucks. I love it, but it kinda sucks.

Lol, yeah, no arguments here. I think if they didn't have such an awesome Lex in Michael Rosenbaum, I wouldn't bother.

Anyway, if the rooftop scene was a few months after, then my theory dies. Maybe that's just what we were supposed to think, hence the ambiguity of 'how long after.'

 

[Ronny Shade]

not necessarily. I mean imagine if you were disfigured and turned into an evil clown. Would you really do an armed robbery/double homicide right away? It might take you a few months to work through your issues and realize you're completely insane.

 

[Miranda Fox]

not necessarily. I mean imagine if you were disfigured and turned into an evil clown. Would you really do an armed robbery/double homicide right away? It might take you a few months to work through your issues and realize you're completely insane.

Very true.

Here's an idea - what if his disfigurement happened before, say, Bruce came back? If the Joker really is out for revenge, could've just being biding his time.

Which raises another question - was the armed robbery random or could there have been a reason or even just a cover to kill? With the Joker, the former is most likely, but I can't help but wonder.

 

[Ronny Shade]

He was probably robbing the place so he could make joker toxin and when nobody laughed at his joke, he shot them.

 

[Miranda Fox]

He was probably robbing the place so he could make joker toxin and when nobody laughed at his joke, he shot them.

Now, that? Would be wicked!

 

[Ronny Shade]

I'm open to co-writing if the Nolans ever call me.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I'm open to co-writing if the Nolans ever call me.

If they don't, it's a crime!

 

[COMPO]

Very true.

Here's an idea - what if his disfigurement happened before, say, Bruce came back? If the Joker really is out for revenge, could've just being biding his time.

Which raises another question - was the armed robbery random or could there have been a reason or even just a cover to kill? With the Joker, the former is most likely, but I can't help but wonder.

Maybe, so he can have a cut on the arms deal?

 

[strider]

Maybe, so he can have a cut on the arms deal?

I really dont think Joker will be "disfigured" or look like a stupid crazy clown....theatrics said Gordon, meaning to me that he's using a type of custom/disguise but underneath he's quite cunning and normal looking. I think he's going to be involved/against some how with the mob which always leads to Batman. I dont even think he cares all that much about bats at the end of BB. He will when Bats starts to get more involved in catching him.

I think Ledger is reading the Killing Joker just to get some decent ideas on the Joker. I dont think they will use TKJ for plot ideas....If the Joker is to be more like the his first two comic appearances then I hope he's a good fighter/brawler/theif and can hold his own vs Bats.

 

[cryptic name]

I really dont think Joker will be "disfigured" or look like a stupid crazy clown....theatrics said Gordon, meaning to me that he's using a type of custom/disguise but underneath he's quite cunning and normal looking. I think he's going to be involved/against some how with the mob which always leads to Batman. I dont even think he cares all that much about bats at the end of BB. He will when Bats starts to get more involved in catching him.

I think Ledger is reading the Killing Joker just to get some decent ideas on the Joker. I dont think they will use TKJ for plot ideas....If the Joker is to be more like the his first two comic appearances then I hope he's a good fighter/brawler/theif and can hold his own vs Bats.

christ, i hope not. nolan can't be pretentious enough to think he can make such a horrible change

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I really dont think Joker will be "disfigured" or look like a stupid crazy clown....theatrics said Gordon, meaning to me that he's using a type of custom/disguise but underneath he's quite cunning and normal looking. I think he's going to be involved/against some how with the mob which always leads to Batman. I dont even think he cares all that much about bats at the end of BB. He will when Bats starts to get more involved in catching him.

I think Ledger is reading the Killing Joker just to get some decent ideas on the Joker. I dont think they will use TKJ for plot ideas....If the Joker is to be more like the his first two comic appearances then I hope he's a good fighter/brawler/theif and can hold his own vs Bats.

If Joker didn't have the disfigured look than what would he be? Some sexually confused killer who likes to wear white makeup and lipstick and dye his hair grass green? Because I sure as hell do not want to see that.

It'd better be the chemical plant skin alteration or else Nolan has lost a fan.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I imagine the reason Gordon referred to his theatrics is because when somebody sees a guy who looks like a clown, they will naturally assume it's makeup not 'it's chemical burns.' I don't see why that remark has been interpretated as 'he's going to wear makeup!!!!11one'

It also could be something to do with the over the top way the victims were assaulted but, obviously, we won't know till 2008.

 

[DeFett]

It's possible. I just worry about Fear gas turning into the "meteor-rock" of this franchise. Though I doubt it will.

Yes, it does sound like that. It will be interesting thought if they pick up with The Narrows storyline maybe tie it into the capturing of Crane.

 

[Eastwood]

my origin would be having gordon telling batman about the joker

 

[L0ngsh0t]

My origin would have an alien spaceship land in the middle of gotham, and they open a slide door, standing in the middle of the door way is the Joker, then a giant boot is lowered, cranked back, and kicks him in the ass, and he falls out of the space craft.

 

[SilentType]

I think that they should go without an origin. It would be a good change of pace for a superhero movie. Plus, it allows you to ignore the entire "guy with makeup VS contrived chemical alteration" dilemma.

 

[Ronny Shade]

My origin would have an alien spaceship land in the middle of gotham, and they open a slide door, standing in the middle of the door way is the Joker, then a giant boot is lowered, cranked back, and kicks him in the ass, and he falls out of the space craft.

lol!

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Very true.

Here's an idea - what if his disfigurement happened before, say, Bruce came back? If the Joker really is out for revenge, could've just being biding his time.

Which raises another question - was the armed robbery random or could there have been a reason or even just a cover to kill? With the Joker, the former is most likely, but I can't help but wonder.

Makes sense about the origin happening before Bruce comes back and Batman comes to save Gotham.

However, I feel like he hasn't turned yet, even if The Joker card is there. Some serial killers have been known to leave their mark at the crime scene whether it be an item like a playing card or a rose, a piece of hair, or a note.

If Nolan was going to use "The Killing Joke" he'd have to either skip the whole origin and find different pages and panels to use, or he'd have to switch it where the origin happened long before Batman and Bruce, where Gordon was taking the place of Batman as the city's defender, but then blew it when he let the criminal jump into a vat of chemicals instead of arresting him.

 

[COMPO]

hey, what if we see joker changed into the Joker. But, beforet hat we see him wearing make up so taht he's like a clown. ANd when he falls on the vat of chemicals tehy all bleach to his skin and he goes insane.

 

[El Payaso]

^ Hehehe. Oh the irony.

 

[The Question]

Makes sense about the origin happening before Bruce comes back and Batman comes to save Gotham.

However, I feel like he hasn't turned yet, even if The Joker card is there. Some serial killers have been known to leave their mark at the crime scene whether it be an item like a playing card or a rose, a piece of hair, or a note.

If Nolan was going to use "The Killing Joke" he'd have to either skip the whole origin and find different pages and panels to use, or he'd have to switch it where the origin happened long before Batman and Bruce, where Gordon was taking the place of Batman as the city's defender, but then blew it when he let the criminal jump into a vat of chemicals instead of arresting him.

Or maybe he could just leave Batman out of it all together. Batman being there isn't completely necessairy for The Joker's origin.

 

[COMPO]

its necessary for their relationship.

 

[Crooklyn]

its necessary for their relationship.

....no, it's not.