Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

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[C. Lee]

And yet again........

This is the JUSTICE LEAGUE thread.....if you want to discuss SUICIDE SQUAD go to it's forum.

 

[idiot09]

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[Da-Scribe]

My bad. Was trying to make a larger point about studio meddling and connecting that to JL. Should've probably just gotten to the point in my original post haha. At any rate, I don't care if critics hate JL, but I do hope we as fans can enjoy it.

 

[idiot09]

My bad. Was trying to make a larger point about studio meddling and connecting that to JL. Should've probably just gotten to the point in my original post haha. At any rate, I don't care if critics hate JL, but I do hope we as fans can enjoy it.

Exactly.What we need now from the DCEU movies is the auidience and the fans should like it,and the BO should be good.That will ensure they keep making the movies the fans want and enjoy.Ive like MOS and BvS so far,and I will see SS tommorow.Hopefully the trend continues.What SS,WW and JL need is good audience reception and box office.Thats vital.

 

[Micromind]

What DC movies need is Quality Control at script stage, which is what Marvel Studios do. This will ensure that whole shooting process is completed smoothly and that final version of the movie is what general audience (and Critics) will find "palatable".

Edit: I guess this why Goff Johns is brought in, to make sure that the script stays close to the source material, that movies stay inter-connected and that moves do not stray too far from general audience's taste.

 

[Sleiek]

It's a fan art, but still what do you guys think about this look?

Looks like someone photoshopped Shockwave's gun and arm and it kinda fits albeit.

 

[LoganGambit87]

What DC movies need is Quality Control at script stage, which is what Marvel Studios do. This will ensure that whole shooting process is completed smoothly and that final version of the movie is what general audience (and Critics) will find "palatable".

Edit: I guess this why Goff Johns is brought in, to make sure that the script stays close to the source material, that movies stay inter-connected and that moves do not stray too far from general audience's taste.

the fact that SS had 6 weeks of scripting process is embarrassing harry knowles said it best SS is a 1st draft screenplay that they tried to complete as they began filming

for example josh boone who is directing x men new mutants was signed on to write the script in may 2015,handed in 1st draft October 2015,handed in 2nd draft in april 2016

but anyways i still have hope for JL

 

[Micromind]

the fact that SS had 6 weeks of scripting process is embarrassing harry knowles said it best SS is a 1st draft screenplay that they tried to complete as they began filming

for example josh boone who is directing x men new mutants was signed on to write the script in may 2015,handed in 1st draft October 2015,handed in 2nd draft in april 2016

but anyways i still have hope for JL

Iron Man's script (third act ?) was written on set, so..

If a script is rushed (or part of it is written on set) is not a 100 % guarantee that movie will suck but having a complete script which has gone through revisions, fine tuning and reviews is always a good thing.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah, the best Marvel film didn't even have a script. I'm not saying WB should just abandon scripts. Just saying that there's no definitive fix for what some deem problematic when it comes to WB. Too many moving parts and too much subjectivity.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah, the best Marvel film didn't even have a script. I'm not saying WB should just abandon scripts. Just saying that there's no definitive fix for what some deem problematic when it comes to WB. Too many moving parts and too much subjectivity.

Winter Soldier didn't have a script?

 

[Da-Scribe]

Winter Soldier didn't have a script?

Haha, fair enough.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Slightly different but George Miller didn't really have a script for Fury Road. Instead He used a bunch of Story Boards. It does make sense though, the plot itself is pretty basic as the movies a giant chase sequence. I think Tom Hardy only had like a dozen lines as well.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I believe that's how Spirited Away was crafted as well.

 

[idiot09]

I believe that's how Spirited Away was crafted as well.

My gf loves anime and animated films and its her favourite movie.I liked it as well but never got the hype.:P

 

[WoodyROM]

Slightly different but George Miller didn't really have a script for Fury Road. Instead He used a bunch of Story Boards. It does make sense though, the plot itself is pretty basic as the movies a giant chase sequence. I think Tom Hardy only had like a dozen lines as well.

I loved that movie, but I'll never understand how it became so critically acclaimed.

It's definitely a better idea to have your story figured out before filming begins, but like Da-Scribe said there's more than one way to do things (and more than one problem in their process).

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think ultimately, WB just needs to decide if it's going to have these films be truly director driven or not. You can't be halfway with that, otherwise they'll just keep getting films they don't actually want to release and they'll just keep cutting them to pieces. If they want to lead the charge with these movies, they need to be doing that from the jump. That's my top level view at least.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Looks like Zack and David went through the script and shooting phase thinking they with one movie in mind. But ended up being forced to edit it into another by WB.

Hopefully at least we don't have editing trouble with Justice League with Johns.

 

[_Superman_]

I think ultimately, WB just needs to decide if it's going to have these films be truly director driven or not. You can't be halfway with that, otherwise they'll just keep getting films they don't actually want to release and they'll just keep cutting them to pieces. If they want to lead the charge with these movies, they need to be doing that from the jump. That's my top level view at least.

Looks like Zack and David went through the script and shooting phase thinking they with one movie in mind. But ended up being forced to edit it into another by WB.

Hopefully at least we don't have editing trouble with Justice League with Johns.

And that's the sad part because in my opinion Superman v Batman: DOJ UE was probably the best comic book movie of the year and in my top 5 comic book movies and that movie was not done justice by the cuts made to it. That's why I fear for Justice League because I just think the WB is going to do the same thing again telling Snyder go and make your movie and then edit the hell out of it and once again try and make it a Batman movie when it wasn't supposed to be. SvB UE proved that.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I honestly think everything that happened with BvS motivated WB to start communicating more openly with fans. Basically, rather than try to surprise us they're just trying to be up front and open about what we're getting. At least for JL. We'll just have to wait and see if all that holds up.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I still think it's growth problems they should eventually overcome. I'm hopeful.

 

[Herolee10]

So I take it that a good portion of the fan base will not feel at ease about the dceu until we get at least one certified fresh film?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

3 movies in and a rocky reception for all of them isn't too comforting. I dont want hear anybout it being because its not the "marvel way" or formula or whatever, its such an overused excuse to have for lackluster superhero movies. Because marvel had to start somewhere and it could've easily gone bad for them as well. Its time for WB to take a long look at things and reevaluate what exactly they think they're doing.

 

[Legendver2]

And that's the sad part because in my opinion Superman v Batman: DOJ UE was probably the best comic book movie of the year and in my top 5 comic book movies and that movie was not done justice by the cuts made to it. That's why I fear for Justice League because I just think the WB is going to do the same thing again telling Snyder go and make your movie and then edit the hell out of it and once again try and make it a Batman movie when it wasn't supposed to be. SvB UE proved that.

Well, to be fair, the whole deal with BvS was that Snyder was promised a 3 hour film until WB had shaky nerves. You can't cut out 30 minutes of material and expect the story to flow coherently with a majority of audiences. If from the get go, WB was more upfront about what it wanted, and what limits to place on Snyder with Johns guiding the way, I think JL would end up with better results. And it does seem that JL (and maybe WW) will show the first signs of the benefits of the BTS changes in the DCEU heads.

So I take it that a good portion of the fan base will not feel at ease about the dceu until we get at least one certified fresh film?

I can care less about RT really, Transformers, X-Men, and most recently, Jason Bourne taught me that. What matters to me is these films making big BO. Although BvS fell short of the benchmark billion, the DCEU as a whole is making bank from just 2 films released so far (1.5b total). If SS makes more than 600m, they'd have already made about as much as 5 films of MCU Phase 1 before the Avengers, just to put it into perspective. Not 2 shabby with 3 rotten films. I know there will be those that will still say it could've been higher if the RT was fresh. Well I say to you, who cares. As long as the DCEU makes money regardless of RT, we'll get more DCEU films, and hopefully with the BTS changes, they'll make a film that the critics will finally like (hopefully WW).

I still think it's growth problems they should eventually overcome. I'm hopeful.

3 movies in and a rocky reception for all of them isn't too comforting. I dont want hear anybout it being because its not the "marvel way" or formula or whatever, its such an overused excuse to have for lackluster superhero movies. Because marvel had to start somewhere and it could've easily gone bad for them as well. Its time for WB to take a long look at things and reevaluate what exactly they think they're doing.

I think WB did do that with all the recent BTS changes. But as mentioned before, SS was already too far into being finish for any of these changes to take effect. What we're seeing with SS is the last remnants of the pre-Geoff Johns ran DCEU. From reports of Johns being involved with WW script since the beginning and before he was even promoted, I think WW will be the first film where we'll see at least some of the changes made taking effect, with JL being completely in the Geoff Johns "era" of DCEU.

To be quite frank, Jenkins, being THE female director to direct THE first female led superhero film, will probably protect her baby like a mama bear. And hopefully Johns will back her up in not letting studio meddling butcher her film.