Justice League Status Updates Thread - Part 1

[DoomsdayApex]

What does following Marvel Studios have to do with the unimpressive results?

Don't misconstrue my comment.

WB tried to make Green Lantern into Iron Man, and it failed. That was my point. Hal Jordan isn't Tony Stark.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

He wasn't at all like Downey's Stark in that movie. So I don't see how they were trying to mimic Marvel at all.

 

[Octoberist]

He wasn't at all like Downey's Stark in that movie. So I don't see how they were trying to mimic Marvel at all.

But I can see what WB trying to do. They were trying to get a quirky lead who has good comedic chops and can be an action hero. Different actor, sameish templete So I can see the mind frame of WB when they got Ryan Reynolds. But it didn't work.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

He wasn't at all like Downey's Stark in that movie. So I don't see how they were trying to mimic Marvel at all.

Really? You don't see how WB tried to use Iron Man's template for Green Lantern? That has been one of biggest criticisms from fans since it's release.

 

[Octoberist]

To me, it was evident what WB was trying to do with Green Lantern. Of course, it's not a carbon copy but if you're hyper-intiative enough, you can clearly see what kind of template they were going for, and it failed.

 

[lililatigresse]

He wasn't at all like Downey's Stark in that movie. So I don't see how they were trying to mimic Marvel at all.

Please, even Martin Campbell admited it. They were going for Iron Man.

 

[Raiden]

Please, even Martin Campbell admited it. They were going for Iron Man.

I think WB's plan was that, if GL performs well, they can use it to become the movie that spearheads the new DCU, but after it bombed they stayed hum on the subject...until The Avengers' record-breaking streak at the box office. Now they're probably trying to figure out a way to bring out JLA, either as a movie that makes its debut without any solo films as lead-in, or do it somewhat similar to what Marvel did with MCU with MOS, WW, and other movies.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I'm I worried about the potential for a rushed Justice League movie? Of course, but at the same time, I really DO want to see my favorite characters on the big screen.

I actually wouldn't mind if Man of Steel/the Batman reboot kickstarted a new shared universe... the only thing I'd be disappointed in is the lack of Christian Bale but hey.

Best of luck WB. At least they've decided to do something as opposed to sitting on a great property.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

i want a justice league so badly after the avengers but sadly i dont see it being any good, WB got the **** scared out of them with the avengers and now they are rushing around trying to push something unfinished out the door

i dont think they need to follow the marvel route by the letter but at least have some build up of the universe, but to do that we would need another batman reboot and another superman reboot after man of steel

cheers nolan

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Really? You don't see how WB tried to use Iron Man's template for Green Lantern? That has been one of biggest criticisms from fans since it's release.

You said "Hal Jordan isn't Tony Stark" and I said I didn't feel like Reynolds' Hal was like Downey's Stark. In fact I think one of the biggest drawbacks of Reynolds' Hal is they didn't let him chew the scenery a bit. He become the emo misanthrope, and he had the hero persona of Spider-Man. There was zero edge at all from his character. Tony has edge. Kind of the perpetual chip that makes him act like a pompous blowhard. Heck, even Affleck had more edge. They made Hal Jordan such a milksop.

I mean the plots are very similar though.

I mean just because Hal's a womanizer who is irresponsible isn't Tony Stark-ish, it's Hal Jordan-ish. That's Hal Jordan from day one basically.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

cheers nolan

What are you talking about?

Man of Steel and the Batman reboot could be part of a shared universe if WB wants.

Nolan will only be a producer of both films... and frankly I think Nolan is just generously giving WB his name to ****e out.

 

[protocida]

Iron Man didn't invent the "superhero movie that combines action and comedy" template. It just found the right balance between the two elements, and the right character to use that template.

And, by the way, how are people claiming the movie is being "rushed". The Script is in development for a year already, and that's it. We don't know when Warner wants to release it, we don't know how Warner wants to release it... For all intents and purposes, all we know is that, in the foreseeable future, there'll be a Justice League movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

GL's problem was it has a ton of people in the film that had no purpose. Tom Kalmaku was completely useless as a character in the movie. It's as if they said, "hey let's put this guy in because he's in the comic" and then gave him nothing to do but give Hal a ride from the crash site.

Amanda Waller was also badly handled. They set up this whole backstory for her and then they cut away from a scene where you don't really know if she was killed by Hammond.

Halfway through the movie we find out Carol, Hal and Hammond all grew up together (yeah I know this was in the extended cut), would have been nice to know.


If they were trying to make Hal into Tony Stark they completely failed because Stark is interesting, and the movie representation of Hal is boring compared to what he is in the comics.

 

[protocida]

I agree about Tom. But I believe there was more to Waller, originally. In the final cut, yes, she was a bit wasted, though I liked Angela Bassett's portrayal.

 

[EML420]

I still cant belive that Hammond was suppose to have grown up with Reynolds and Livleys characters he looked way older.

Im curious though if MOS had plans to tie into something bigger that they dont want people knowing.

 

[Raiden]

I agree about Tom. But I believe there was more to Waller, originally. In the final cut, yes, she was a bit wasted, though I liked Angela Bassett's portrayal.

I heard a rumor that originally they had intended Bassett's Waller to be DCU's own Nick Fury that would tied up all the movies together, but it looks like they dropped this idea after GL came out.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I heard a rumor that originally they had intended Bassett's Waller to be DCU's own Nick Fury that would tied up all the movies together, but it looks like they dropped this idea after GL came out.

Angela Basset wanted that. WB didn't.

 

[Dark Raven]

What are you talking about?

Man of Steel and the Batman reboot could be part of a shared universe if WB wants.

Nolan will only be a producer of both films... and frankly I think Nolan is just generously giving WB his name to ****e out.

And WB should do that. Even if Nolan has said that his Batman stands alone, they should convince him otherwise for the next phase. He's had a trilogy under his belt anyway.

If they don't make those two part of the shared universe, they'll have to start again from scratch, and that would take years. Even if the Man of Steel and The Dark Knight franchises haven't been built up as being part of a shared universe, that doesn't mean that WB can't change their game plan.

For that matter, they should also just use the Green Lantern movie and actor that they already have instead of getting a new one. I think that, once they see GL as part of this bigger team, audiences might be a little more forgiving of the GL movie and view it in a new light. Or if not a new light, then at least he'll already be out there and they can tweak his character just as Joss Whedon has done for Black Widow and even Hulk (which, although uses a different actor, is following on from TIH).

If WB use Man of Steel, The Dark Knight and the Green Lantern, then they've already got three under their belt, and they can just launch other movies like Wonder Woman and the Flash, or launch them after a JL movie comes out.

But if there's a complete reboot of those franchises, that means we have to wait for the current Man of Steel franchise to run its course, which will be years away for a Justice League movie.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

What are you talking about?

Man of Steel and the Batman reboot could be part of a shared universe if WB wants.

Nolan will only be a producer of both films... and frankly I think Nolan is just generously giving WB his name to ****e out.

nolan was the one to put a stop to the whole idea of a shared universe with his batman and when asked would it be introduced it in man of steel he was quoted as saying no and felt it hindered the movies

all dc movies stand as single series and have no connection. hence why if they did want to go the marvel route nearly all of the key players have to be completely rebooted

 

[protocida]

Man of Steel relies on the fact that Superman is the first superhero. With Batman being reintroduced in 2015, they could easily create a Movieverse if they wanted to. And, judging by the fact that The Flash started being commented by the writers again recently, and they tapped a new writer for Wonder Woman, that's their intent.

 

[Dark Raven]

Man of Steel relies on the fact that Superman is the first superhero. With Batman being reintroduced in 2015, they could easily create a Movieverse if they wanted to. And, judging by the fact that The Flash started being commented by the writers again recently, and they tapped a new writer for Wonder Woman, that's their intent.

But that could still work with the current Batman. Maybe by first "superhero" it means a) someone with super powers (which Batman doesn't have) and b) someone who works out in the open in broad daylight (which Batman doesn't).

Batman could be seen as more of a vigilante. So Superman would still be the first superhero and would be compatible with Nolan's Batman.

Honestly though, I'm not really fond of Nolan's Batman suit for a Justice League movie. I would even prefer the Burton suit. Actually, I'm not fond of the MOS Superman suit for a team movie either. Both Batman and Superman should wear something more classic when they unite on screen.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

nolan was the one to put a stop to the whole idea of a shared universe with his batman and when asked would it be introduced it in man of steel he was quoted as saying no and felt it hindered the movies

all dc movies stand as single series and have no connection. hence why if they did want to go the marvel route nearly all of the key players have to be completely rebooted

Please do a bit of research before blaming someone. Nolan didn't do anything. WB still could have gone along with another story but the writer's strike (and taxes in Australia) killed JL:M.

 

[roach]

why is everyone saying its gonna be rushed. The guy was hired a year ago to write the script.

 

[protocida]

Of course. But Nolan did openly object to having "his" Batman in Justice League: Mortal, and that damaged the movie.

 

[roach]

Of course. But Nolan did openly object to having "his" Batman in Justice League: Mortal, and that damaged the movie.

His Batman wasn't going to be in the movie....the role was recast and even had a different suit