Justice League Status Updates Thread

[ЯɘvlveR]

AS I said b4 I think OMACs would be the best

Set the story within the first 2 years of the super-powered beings appearing.

Have OMACs be a result of paranoia of superheroes. Waller and Lord helped have them built by CADMUS. But rather than have them be cyborgs, I say just have them be straight up robots, save for one. Have them have a colonel who commands them who is actually a guy in a modified, evolving suit.

Regular OMAC

The One OMAC Colonel

I think the OMAC technology could be from Martian Manhunter. J'onn came to earth years ago and was captured (sort of like the alien in Super 8). Through experiments, reverse engineering, and torture they find a lot about Martian tech, biology, etc. I think that gives J'onn a different reason than the reason that he would have for alien enemies.

J'onn calls for the heroes (like he did in the DCAU) to save him. That's what brings them together, saving J'onn. The thing that keeps them together are the OMACs

Long story, short the OMACs go rogue. No one hero can't stop them by himself/herself because there are too many. So they team up to take them out.

With OMACs:
-you dont run into the ideology difference of to kill or not to kill (I think WW and Aquaman are the only ones willing to kill) at least if you make most of them full robots
-you get an enemy where you can control their power. One thing I didnt like about the JL/JLU shows and other times when Batman teams up with other heroes. You can have it so that Batman can take on one while having Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and J'onn being able to fight multiples at one time
-you get to deal with the paranoia and distrust of Super beings
-you get something different from aliens. Who Superman fights already
-you get a cool looking villain. At least imo. I think OMACs look badass

I'd watch the **** out of this.

 

[Micromind]

OK I'm confused. WB/DC want to do JLA as a launching point for solo films, but Synder said Henry Cavill won't be Superman in a JLA film. Is Snyder's Superman in a separate universe like Nolan's?

Nolan wanted Batman to exist in a separate universe and same for Superman , since he is the producer of MOS and the director Zack Snyder is in agreement with him, Supes will most likely be kept in a separate universe. (Even Singer had kept his version of Superman in SR as a separate universe, where other DC heroes did not exist.)

[/B]

I been saying that for years now. General audience know who Superman, Batman, WW, Flash, GL and Aquaman are., so do not have to do solo films first. They could just introduce Hawkman and MM in the first JL film like what Avengers is doing with Hawkeye.

Yeah, I kind of agree with you there, Superman and Batman (even Wonder Woman) characters are well known and need no introduction, Green lantern is now in public awareness (even though the GL movie did bad numbers at Box office.) due to many animated movies, his own animated TV series and his comics.

So, Superman , Batman, wonder Woman and Green lantern need no introduction, only Flash needs his own origin movie so that five heroes team up movie - Justice League can be made. (WW can get a spin-off prequel movie afterwards, if JL proves to be popular.)

 

[MadVillainy]

Those are not the heroes I grew up watching. If they can't be trusted before they're a team, then they needed to put leashes when they become one.

Im confused by that because Superman wasnt/isnt trusted by Luthor, Batman wasn't trusted by everyone as seen in Batman: Year One/Batman Begins/TDK/Batman 89. And then as some have said in JL and JLU they aren't just trusted

Theyve never been just trusted during their early years or even their later years

[/B]

I been saying that for years now. General audience know who Superman, Batman, WW, Flash, GL and Aquaman are., so do not have to do solo films first. They could just introduce Hawkman and MM in the first JL film like what Avengers is doing with Hawkeye.

I think you should have solo films tho. I mean I havent seen Avengers and Im not doubting the reviewers but I feel that it helps more than hurts if the characters have been introduced in solo films.

But that's just my opinion

 

[Micromind]

How many reboot does a character actually need ?

batman's origins covered in Batman '89 (Flashback scenes), Batman Forever, Batman begins.

Superman's origins - in STM, SR(some childhood scenes), MOS.

Green Lantern - in GL 2011 movie, animated movies JL: The new Frontier, GL : First Flight.

I think that much intro to character is sufficient.

Other characters could have a spinoff movies later. (Except Flash.)

 

[protocida]

"The New Frontier" could work if they changed the setting to modern times and streamlined the story.

 

[Artistsean]

Reboots in movies are important. Because no matter how much we may think the public knows its very possible they do not. They may get names confused, think Captain America is part of DC films, not know who Hawkman is or things like that. They know who Superman and Batman are, and most likely know who Wonder Woman is. Maybe because of the recent film, they sort of know who Green Lantern is. But the animated movies don't help, its probably safe to assume the general audience has not seen them at all. But I think what they could do is show in each case, even Batman and Superman's very short recaps of who each character is, even work that into the story. This helps to show that they are solo heroes of epic proportions who are brought together by a gigantic problem. I don't think you have to show each origin, no need to show that Superman is the last son of Krypton raised on Earth, that Batman lost his parents and vowed to become a weapon against crime, that Flash was a CSI who got hit by chemicals and lightning and now can run fast, etc. I think all you have to show is that who they are, Flash is a Super Speedster. So show him saving the day in a short scene where he uses his powers in costume. Even Avengers will have to sort of introduce the characters in some small way, so maybe the JLA could just do that. It would have to depend on the story to determine how, but say Martian Manhunter brings the teams together because he knows of the coming threat. So you have a scene where Jo'nn mentally contacts them all and you see each saving the day in their own parts of the world in their own ways. When they get together maybe show GL and Flash already know each other, show that GL thought Batman had powers and they find out he doesn't but as the movie goes on we see he has more skill than the rest. Etc. If you want an example of how they could introduce all the characters maybe look at the New 52's introduction. They all get together not knowing one another and end up a team. Maybe during the movie there are even scenes of reporters talking about them because superheroes are a new thing and that would give exposition for who some of them are.
Its possible to have a JLA film without solo films leading into it, the trick would be not to have too much explanation like the first X-Men film.

The first movie could be about them saving the day and gaining the public's trust by the end of the movie, and the second could be they proving they deserve that trust and earn it. They save the day from an alien invasion in movie 1, movie 2 they show everyone it wasn't just a fluke. They are heroes and are here to stay.


Seems like everyone wants, or is willing to accept, the first movie being some sort of invasion by some sort of army or group that forces the JLA to band together.

 

[metaphysician]

Its also important to remember that recognition levels are always lower than comic book fans think they are. It doesn't matter how many comic book characters you recognize, if you've ever actually read a comic in the last 20 years, you aren't the GA. Even cartoons are only a mediocre source of GA recognition.

As for OMAC, again: the core theme of the *first* JLA movie should not be "mutant paranoia." Hell, the core theme of *any* JLA movie shouldn't be mutant paranoia.

 

[roach]

its not mutant paranoia...its normal paranoia...i can guarantee if a guy started flying around in a red cape people will be suspicious of him.....If I was doing this movie this would be a world where they didn't openly operate. Superman would save people but wouldn't stick around to give a speech. Batman is Batman. The big event would be what thrusts them into the public view. After they save the world from aliens/angels/demons/giant world conquering star fish...then they become famous celebrated heroes we all know and love....
....from here then you create solo movies. "You loved The Flash in JLA now see him in his solo film." I know there are no plans for a Hulk movie but when the public begins clamoring for more Hulk Marvel will reconsider.

 

[MadVillainy]

yeah as roach just said
1) It's not mutant paranoia
2) What do you think would happen if so many people with superpowers showed up. People would be suspicious that would be an interesting angle to explore. I mean if you don't think so fine, but you havent stated any reasons why you just said it's a "*bad idea for a JLA movie*"

 

[Artistsean]

its not mutant paranoia...its normal paranoia...i can guarantee if a guy started flying around in a red cape people will be suspicious of him.....If I was doing this movie this would be a world where they didn't openly operate. Superman would save people but wouldn't stick around to give a speech. Batman is Batman. The big event would be what thrusts them into the public view. After they save the world from aliens/angels/demons/giant world conquering star fish...then they become famous celebrated heroes we all know and love....
....from here then you create solo movies. "You loved The Flash in JLA now see him in his solo film." I know there are no plans for a Hulk movie but when the public begins clamoring for more Hulk Marvel will reconsider.

It is important to make the difference clear between public paranoia versus X-men mutant paranoia. Its possible to do this though.

They basically laid it all out in the New 52 JLA #1,

(SPOILERS AHEAD!)

Batman is running from the Cops who are hunting him down. the Green Lantern shows up and accidentally leads the cops there. The cops start firing on them both. They are vigilantes who work outside the law and have powers beyond our control. Then they find Superman. Green Lantern talks about the rumors that he is an alien. Superman attacks them and the cops then attack all three. The papers report about them on both sides, heroes and threats. In his own city the cops have a task force out to get the Flash. No one is clear is Batman is good, or bad, or what he is. Monster, demon, super being.
While they are fighting the threat, Darkseid, the news reports about them. But people are still unsure. But when they save the day the public loves them. Everyone cheers. The White House holds a public ceremony with all the media there covering it. They give all the heroes medals and ask them to stick around as a team. The team has to cut things short and save the day again, this time from Starro.
I get the feeling that this was set up to work as a basis for a JLA movie.

(Thats if they want to go that rout.)

 

[roach]

It is important to make the difference clear between public paranoia versus X-men mutant paranoia. Its possible to do this though.

They basically laid it all out in the New 52 JLA #1,

(SPOILERS AHEAD!)

Batman is running from the Cops who are hunting him down. the Green Lantern shows up and accidentally leads the cops there. The cops start firing on them both. They are vigilantes who work outside the law and have powers beyond our control. Then they find Superman. Green Lantern talks about the rumors that he is an alien. Superman attacks them and the cops then attack all three. The papers report about them on both sides, heroes and threats. In his own city the cops have a task force out to get the Flash. No one is clear is Batman is good, or bad, or what he is. Monster, demon, super being.
While they are fighting the threat, Darkseid, the news reports about them. But people are still unsure. But when they save the day the public loves them. Everyone cheers. The White House holds a public ceremony with all the media there covering it. They give all the heroes medals and ask them to stick around as a team. The team has to cut things short and save the day again, this time from Starro.
I get the feeling that this was set up to work as a basis for a JLA movie.

(Thats if they want to go that rout.)

thats how I'd do it

 

[MadVillainy]

that's how i'd do it too

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

an updated live adaptation of new frontier would have been a great way to introduce GL, WW,flash and MM. with the solo movies you could have gotten into the origins with flashbacks and whatnot.

how real was that line bats laid on j'onn?

And one other thing, I'm not sure what you are or where you come from. But my instincts tell me you're to be trusted. Make no mistake, I have a $70,000 sliver of a radioactive meteor to stop the one from Metropolis. All I need for you is a penny for a book of matches.

xD that was ether.

 

[Red Mask]

Im confused by that because Superman wasnt/isnt trusted by Luthor, Batman wasn't trusted by everyone as seen in Batman: Year One/Batman Begins/TDK/Batman 89. And then as some have said in JL and JLU they aren't just trusted

Theyve never been just trusted during their early years or even their later years

They were trusted when they were called the Superfriends. Batman was trusted in the 1970-80's cartoons. They were trusted when the Justice League show was called the Super Power Hour, the first time Cyborg was featured as a character. The Flash TV character was generally trusted by the public.

 

[roach]

They were trusted when they were called the Superfriends. Batman was trusted in the 1970-80's cartoons. They were trusted when the Justice League show was called the Super Power Hour, the first time Cyborg was featured as a character. The Flash TV character was generally trusted by the public.

all lame tv shows...all the more better to not do it like a show that featured the wonder twins and a space monkey

 

[The Guard]

It's fine that humanity would have some questions about the Justice League's powers, and that some might be a little paranoid. But I would prefer to see something a little different from X-Men, and see the Justice League trusted for the most part, and to see that trust tested via some event, and then them having to gain it back. The obvious way to do this would be something akin to Wonder Woman killing Max Lord, Superman or the Justice League on a mind controlled rampage, etc.

 

[metaphysician]

Distrust of superhumans is, by and large, not a strong theme in the DCU. Nor should it be; the setting is *supposed* to be brighter and more optimistic than Marvel. Yes, I know, the reboot seems to go for lots of fear and distrust. . . but that's part of why I think the reboot is a bad thing. Its DC aping Bad 90s Marvel.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

Why distrust the JL when they been around for years as solo heroes? Shouldn't the world be used to them and there powers by now?

 

[The Guard]

It's not so much as distrusting them as they are so much as it is recognizing that there could be a threat if they were controlled or went rogue.

It's a powerful idea. What if our protectors were corrupted, or turned on us, or were not in control?

 

[roach]

the distrust thing would be a logical response to superhumans...what makes it different is that they become celebrated at the end instead of constantly hated.

 

[roach]

Why distrust the JL when they been around for years as solo heroes? Shouldn't the world be used to them and there powers by now?

because they wouldnt be around for years in this...theyd be around for maybe a year and they wouldnt be acting openly

 

[Daniel Thompson]

But isn't the whole point of a JL film is having them when they are expierenced superheroes and not rookies? They should have years of expierence fighting crime under there belts before they all work as a team.

 

[roach]

not really...when they got together in the comics they weren't experienced heroes

 

[Artistsean]

They could always have the majority of the public trust them, then they could also show that there is a faction that is very very vocal and loud about their mistrust, and then also show that while some of the government trust them, many do not. And All the government, even those who trust them, are taking steps to ensure they can stop them if they need to.
So you have a loud faction of the public who don't trust them, while most of the public would, and the entire government is unsure of them.
They can show they aren't completely trusted without making it another X-Men film. Its possible. In the X-Men movies mutants were almost completely hatred and feared. There were no signs of mutant supporters. In the JLA film maybe all it would take is to show that not everyone fears them.

The problem is that when they were created way back when the characters were sort of simple good guys, they had no problems and they were good while the bad guys were just pure evil. "They were all sort of interchangeable." Was what one of my comic teachers said about them back then. It wasn't till Marvel started making their heroes have problems and character and then giving the bad guys real motivations and sympathy that things changed. DC did the same but they had already established their characters are being these trusted good guys.
DC's New 52 is trying to re-establish in their own realistic way the idea that if a team of powered beings, who know one had really seen before, Superman hadn't sat down with the media and gave an interview, popped up and began saving the day the media would label them as vigilantes, possible threats, maybe heroes but also ask can they be trusted, etc. The public wouldn't just automatically love and trust them without questioning them a little.

On a different note, Whedon gives his thoughts on how they could get the JLA film up and running:

Joss Whedon has an idea how to fix that stalled Justice League pic

http://blastr.com/2012/04/joss-whedon-tells-how-to.php

Fans of the Justice League have been waiting a long time to see the famous superhero team in action on the big screen—and we're still waiting. Warner Bros. has delayed the live-action film so many times that fans are losing hope of ever seeing it.
But fear not! The Avengers director Joss Whedon has an idea about what DC Comics and Warner Bros. are doing wrong, and how to fix it.
While Marvel's The Avengers is finally hitting the big screen in just a few weeks—with Warner Bros.' "rival" film The Dark Knight Rises following later in the summer—everyone may be asking themselves why on Earth DC Comics and Warner Bros. can't get their act together and finally make the darn movie!
So here comes Joss Whedon to the rescue, and he has some sage advice on how to proceed with a future Justice League movie:

It's enormously difficult to take very disparate characters and make them work. And DC has a harder time with it than Marvel because their characters are from a bygone era. Their characters were bigger than we were. They've amended that but Marvel really cracked the code in terms of 'Oh, they're just like us.' A dose of that sort of veracity that Marvel really started with Iron Man, I think you need to use that as a base.​

My thought is, since they aren't planning the make it all connected to their solo films like the Avengers maybe making it CG. A fully animated, Pixar quality, CG movie about the JLA. This would probably get the movie done much faster than trying to make a live action film. We could even get it done in two years or less. Just my own thoughts.

 

[roach]

i don't think people want to see this animated...we have enough of that..bring on live action