The Dark Knight Makeup?

[Doc Samson]

I like how you think.

I think it is possible to make his face permanetly scarred white. The hair and lips is pushing it, but if they wanted to explain the hair, it could just be that the roots got burned and the hair is gross and dead...so it grows in a dried out green colour. And his skin could be cocasion, and he just gets burned and it deforms the the skin.

The Joker is not THE JOKER if he is not perma-clown. If he is a psycho who paints himself to resemble a clown...than he is just a guy with facepaint. He is not THE JOKER, in my opinion. I think from the tone of his hair from that one picture...his hair almost looks like it was blonde or brown...and due to chemical damage it got burned out...and is gross and dead hair.

I think as long as he is PERMA-WHITE!!!...that is fine.

He can paint on the lipstick...that's fine with me...but I don't want him to be some guy with make up on.

I want him to be THE JOKER... the PERMA-CLOWN...prince of crime.

--dk7

^ I agree. That's one aspect of B89 I really liked, the fact that the Joker thought somehow powdering his skin to look less white made him look more regular, like that ridiculous smile didn't give him away. It was like his disquise of sorts, which was so preposterous that it made sense for him to try that.

 

[Sun_Down]

I think that's the whole point to the Joker that Nolan needs to bring across, that this guy is as much a mystery to Gotham as Batman is, if not more so.

Great point. Hell, it makes more sense than that whole "we used crappy editing during fight scenes because that's what it would be like to fight Batman" thing.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I like how you think.

I think it is possible to make his face permanetly scarred white. The hair and lips is pushing it, but if they wanted to explain the hair, it could just be that the roots got burned and the hair is gross and dead...so it grows in a dried out green colour. And his skin could be cocasion, and he just gets burned and it deforms the the skin.

The Joker is not THE JOKER if he is not perma-clown. If he is a psycho who paints himself to resemble a clown...than he is just a guy with facepaint. He is not THE JOKER, in my opinion. I think from the tone of his hair from that one picture...his hair almost looks like it was blonde or brown...and due to chemical damage it got burned out...and is gross and dead hair.

I think as long as he is PERMA-WHITE!!!...that is fine.

He can paint on the lipstick...that's fine with me...but I don't want him to be some guy with make up on.

I want him to be THE JOKER... the PERMA-CLOWN...prince of crime.

--dk7

Totally agree. I just find if Joker is powdering his face, applying eye-shadow, and lipstick on as well the "Batman is gay" people will come back with high heaven to assail "TDK." So, far Heath's Ledger doesn't seem like the perma-clown with the perma-smile we'd come to expect, he seems more of like a sexually-confused crossdresser who takes on the formity of a clown than of a woman. Which if that is the case than Nolan ****ed up big time.

We need the vat of chemicals because in every retelling of Joker's origin he has fallen in the vat and later reemerged as a change man. I mean there's got to be a reason why he pulled the bank heists, why he became Joker, what dove him off the deep-end to just want to turn people into smiling freaks.

If you just say, "He just likes being a clown and killing people" than it makes no sense, but if you make him where he can't stand his appearance at first, but then later accepts it and creates this persona for himself and wants everyone to share in his pain and insanity, then you got a bonafide villain that's worth the ticket-stub admission price.

I just really don't want Nolan to go off canon and bastardize Joker, because when you bastardize Joker to me it's like bastardizing Darth Vader, Hannibal Lecter, or other famous iconic villains the public knows and adores.

 

[hannya]

LMAO!!! How on earth does anybody "permanently" dye their hair green??? Hair grows, people! IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!

 

[nickyg641]

How on Earth does a microwave emitter evaporate the water within the sewers, while at the same time leaving the liquids inside people's bodies completely untouched?

It's a movie. That's how.

 

[Timstuff]

LMAO!!! How on earth does anybody "permanently" dye their hair green??? Hair grows, people! IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!

If the chemical cocktail permanently damaged his follicles, then it could start growing in green. It's never specified exactly what chemicals Joker was baptized in, and that's the part of the mythology that makes it possible for us to buy into it.

Personally, I don't think Nolan would spit in fans' faces by making a Joker who does not have permanently white skin, or hopefully even green hair. The red lips and black eyes can be explained as being makeup without much fuss IMO, but falling into a chemical vat is a major part of the Joker mythology, and I hope Nolan is enough of a fan not to tinker with that too much.

 

[TheBatman072]

If the chemical cocktail permanently damaged his follicles, then it could start growing in green. It's never specified exactly what chemicals Joker was baptized in, and that's the part of the mythology that makes it possible for us to buy into it.

Personally, I don't think Nolan would spit in fans' faces by making a Joker who does not have permanently white skin, or hopefully even green hair. The red lips and black eyes can be explained as being makeup without much fuss IMO, but falling into a chemical vat is a major part of the Joker mythology, and I hope Nolan is enough of a fan not to tinker with that too much.

Exactly.

 

[BatFan85]

I've got to believe his white skin isn't makeup. I think what we've seen so far of the Joker is his true white skin with the skin-colored makeup over that. The only "aspect" of the Joker that should be makeup is his red smile. How can that ever be permanent?

 

[Boom]

Taking a look at the IBIHDT picture...

The way Joker deliberately colored Dent's eyes and mouth make me wonder if perhaps Joker's lips and eyes have makeup on them, but the rest of his skin is bleached white. I think it'd be a fair compromise, because that's not at all unlike how Joker was in The Dark Knight Returs-- permanently white skin and green hair, with red lipstick-- and in this movie, black eyeliner as well. Expecting all of that to come from the chemical bath wouldn't quite be realistic, but the idea that his hair and skin color were changed, and then he dons the rest of the makeup as part of his persona, seems like a reasonable route to go.

You know, this is probably the most logical thing I've read regarding the topic .

 

[Captain Clown]

No he shouldn't wear makeup.

 

[TheBat812]

You know, this is probably the most logical thing I've read regarding the topic .

yup, i agree. I think this is how things will play out, but we could be wrong.

 

[Shoemeister]

Taking a look at the IBIHDT picture...

The way Joker deliberately colored Dent's eyes and mouth make me wonder if perhaps Joker's lips and eyes have makeup on them, but the rest of his skin is bleached white. I think it'd be a fair compromise, because that's not at all unlike how Joker was in The Dark Knight Returs-- permanently white skin and green hair, with red lipstick-- and in this movie, black eyeliner as well. Expecting all of that to come from the chemical bath wouldn't quite be realistic, but the idea that his hair and skin color were changed, and then he dons the rest of the makeup as part of his persona, seems like a reasonable route to go.

I've been entertaining the same idea lately. I think it's a logical assumption.

 

[itsthebatman]

You know, this is probably the most logical thing I've read regarding the topic .

That occurred to yesterday looking at the picture, but did I think to post it? No.
Now nobody will believe me.

 

[Cinemaman]

As long as he looks and acts like Joker iy doesn't bother me

 

[Steelsheen]

the only make-up i want to see on Joker would be the flesh colored one

..... and that he should use even sparingly.

 

[Orko Is King]

Taking a look at the IBIHDT picture...

The way Joker deliberately colored Dent's eyes and mouth make me wonder if perhaps Joker's lips and eyes have makeup on them, but the rest of his skin is bleached white. I think it'd be a fair compromise, because that's not at all unlike how Joker was in The Dark Knight Returs-- permanently white skin and green hair, with red lipstick-- and in this movie, black eyeliner as well. Expecting all of that to come from the chemical bath wouldn't quite be realistic, but the idea that his hair and skin color were changed, and then he dons the rest of the makeup as part of his persona, seems like a reasonable route to go.

I hope you're right.

 

[Killing Joke926]

Like I've said before, if you think about it, Joker isn't one to put on makeup. He's the kind of guy who gets thrown into a chemical bath by a couple of thugs (I think it would be cool if the gang was called "The Red Hood") with a Chelsea smile. In this case, Joker's lips would be red because of the blood carved onto his face and the green hair and white skin would be a reaction from the chemicals and syrums. As for the eyes, I think it just may be a digital shadow to make him look more grim and sinister; think about it, why would Joker want to make himself look like a racoon?

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

think about it, why would Joker want to make himself look like a racoon?

Why wouldn't he? We're not talking about a sane rational person here. We're talking about a complete nutcase and therefore all bets are off. We can't conclude he would do one thing or another with any certainty.

 

[Victarion]

People and their extreme sense of realism.

I don't care about the red lips so long as the hair is permanently green and the skin bleached skull white.

 

[Infinity9999x]

LMAO!!! How on earth does anybody "permanently" dye their hair green??? Hair grows, people! IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!

Say this with me "The Dark Knight is a comic book movie, not a documentary, or in any way shape or form based on real life. It is a movie based on a comic book character that dresses as a flying rodent to fight criminals. Again, this is a comic book movie."

 

[Mr. Socko]

Having the Joker put on makeup is completely bastardizing the character. In every origin of the Joker ever told, he always falls into a vat of chemicals, the result is permanent bleaching of his skin and green hair, and that is what completely drives him mad. Having him wear makeup would only make him just another thug who likes to play dress up. I voted "His smile can be painted, but the green hair and white skin must be permanent."

Lmao @ the fools saying perma-bleaching of his skin is not "realistic" so it can't be put in the film.

 

[hannya]

Say this with me "The Dark Knight is a comic book movie, not a documentary, or in any way shape or form based on real life. It is a movie based on a comic book character that dresses as a flying rodent to fight criminals. Again, this is a comic book movie."

Say with this me (but keep your hands to yourself this time): "I am a pompous twit who thinks putting my responses to other posts in bold font makes me appear authoritative and worldly".
There's comic-book stupid, and there's plain stupid-stupid.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Say with this me (but keep your hands to yourself this time): "I am a pompous twit who thinks putting my responses to other posts in bold font makes me appear authoritative and worldly".
There's comic-book stupid, and there's plain stupid-stupid.

If it actually happened in the comics, I think it falls in the comic-book stupid category.

 

[hannya]

If it actually happened in the comics, I think it falls in the comic-book stupid category.

I was referring to the poster as it happens, but thanks for caring

 

[dark_b]

OK, I just thoguth of something...how about they don't even tell us whether or not he's wearing makeup? I think it'd be cool to just make the judgement in our minds as to whether or not it's his actual skin/hair or if he does it to himself. I mean, it's not like the people of Gotham would know unless they tried to take a shower with him.

with the bank scene it would be hard right?