Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - Part 12

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A few weeks ago I became depressed from all the "failure" talk for MOS and I left. The reason I have come back is to ask for opinions on why you think this movie is doing so great OS. I remember hearing when SR came out that they tried to tone down or eliminate the Americanism of the movie; taking out The American way line. Then a few years ago in the comics Superman renounced his citizenship. But MOS is very American heavy. Did those involved with SR just misread the audience and thought foreign movie goers would be turned off?
 
Yeah, Fox has been on quite an upswing since that one ******* left.

I'm not sure how FOX is on an upswing. I mean, they're trying with Days of Future Past and The Wolverine coming out but they're not even out yet so who can say whether FOX's Marvel films are going up or down? At most, I'll give them credit for doing something while Warner Bros./DC continues to twiddle their thumbs.
 
I'm not sure how FOX is on an upswing. I mean, they're trying with Days of Future Past and The Wolverine coming out but they're not even out yet so who can say whether FOX's Marvel films are going up or down? At most, I'll give them credit for doing something while Warner Bros./DC continues to twiddle their thumbs.

The Wolverine started screenings this week. Reviews are embargoed for now, but the rumblings we've heard so far is that it's surprisingly good, and apparently has [BLACKOUT]a particularly kickass end-credits scene.[/BLACKOUT]

First Class was really good, so if they keep taking it in that direction it restores my faith in them a bit. I hope.
 
Whatever helps build momentum for DoFP. I never cared for the film or the character due to mostly oversaturation.
 
The Wolverine started screenings this week. Reviews are embargoed for now, but the rumblings we've heard so far is that it's surprisingly good, and apparently has [BLACKOUT]a particularly kickass end-credits scene.[/BLACKOUT]

First Class was really good, so if they keep taking it in that direction it restores my faith in them a bit. I hope.

We'll have to agree to disagree on X-Men: First Class. I certainly like moments of it and a few of the casting choices but it wasn't as huge a success as people think. Was it better than X3: The Last Stand? Yes. Still, it depends on how much of a fan you are of the other films and the source material and of FOX constantly ruining their own continuity.

As for The Wolverine, I've heard the rumor of that last scene. Without spoiling it or anything else, I'll just say that it's too little, too late for me at this point. Is it cool fan service? Sure. But Hugh Jackman has one foot out the door as far as him as Wolverine goes and his next stint as him has him going back in time anyway, so ...
 
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The Wolverine started screenings this week. Reviews are embargoed for now, but the rumblings we've heard so far is that it's surprisingly good, and apparently has [BLACKOUT]a particularly kickass end-credits scene.[/BLACKOUT]

First Class was really good, so if they keep taking it in that direction it restores my faith in them a bit. I hope.

Good isn't what I wanted to hear for movie.. I was hoping for epic... Seem like it should be a good flick and hopefully the wolverine movie we have been waiting for...
 
I know this is off topic, but I wast sure this was thread worthy:

There seems to be a lot of "hate" (for lack of a better word) towards MOS. I never really followed any other CBM this closely other than SR. But did Batman Begins get hated on as well. I see a few post on this board that BB was not well received at first. But after TDK, BB is getting much praise. Thats what Im hearing.

Is any truth to that? And do some think that MOS will be treated better with age, especially if sequel capitalized on its predecessor's story?
 
Good isn't what I wanted to hear for movie.. I was hoping for epic... Seem like it should be a good flick and hopefully the wolverine movie we have been waiting for...

The last Wolverine movie left a bad taste in my mouth so I didn't plan on seeing this one but the trailers really look good, so I think I'll risk it. Besides that, HJ works so hard to get in shape for these movies that I feel like I owe it to him as a CBM fan to show some support.
 
Good isn't what I wanted to hear for movie.. I was hoping for epic... Seem like it should be a good flick and hopefully the wolverine movie we have been waiting for...

Maybe we should be happy for a good Wolverine movie considering the other one was total crap. :)
 
WB was trying to launch two new franchises this summer. That's why Rim got the July date. They figured the Superman name and the quality of the film would carry it to good box office numbers.

Rim was always the long shot for them but they saw potential franchise with it so they tried to give it more help with that July spot.

It's not hard to see what WB tried to do. Now, Pacific Rim isn't that big a loss for the studio. They only funded 25%, so they'll probably get their money. It's Legendary Pictures that's going to take the hit for it...if it doesn't sing overseas.

Which still doesn't make sense to put PR ahead of MOS.

PR looks to be short lived (even given a good time slot), so if it were to change spot with MOS, it wouldn't have been hurt at all (since it's even more frontloaded than MOS).

And if MOS were to be in the July Spot, I am sure we'll see much longer legs for it (both domestic and worldwide), which could have an upside of 300M ww (if it was also promoted OS as well as PR was). Just my 2 cents. :oldrazz:

So, basically WB has an opportunity cost here... the bet on the wrong strategy...

Pacific Rim will probably break even after dvd sales but I doubt it gets a sequel.

And... the sequel shall be called... tadaa...

ULTRAMAN!
 
Maybe we should be happy for a good Wolverine movie considering the other one was total crap. :)
Well the first Wolverine movie was pretty good. Origins was crap and hey it's perfectly fine for this one to be good. So yeah I agree.
 
A few weeks ago I became depressed from all the "failure" talk for MOS and I left. The reason I have come back is to ask for opinions on why you think this movie is doing so great OS. I remember hearing when SR came out that they tried to tone down or eliminate the Americanism of the movie; taking out The American way line. Then a few years ago in the comics Superman renounced his citizenship. But MOS is very American heavy. Did those involved with SR just misread the audience and thought foreign movie goers would be turned off?

Explosions? Superheroes? Henry Cavill? Russell Crowe? Good marketing?
Who knows? :oldrazz: This happened with TASM and Fast 6 as well but they did worse domestically than MOS.
 
I know this is off topic, but I wast sure this was thread worthy:

There seems to be a lot of "hate" (for lack of a better word) towards MOS. I never really followed any other CBM this closely other than SR. But did Batman Begins get hated on as well. I see a few post on this board that BB was not well received at first. But after TDK, BB is getting much praise. Thats what Im hearing.

Is any truth to that? And do some think that MOS will be treated better with age, especially if sequel capitalized on its predecessor's story?

I remember not wanting to see Batman Begins because WB left me with 0 faith in the Batman cinematic franchise after the pieces of turds in Batman 1989 all the way to Batman and Robin. I had no idea who Christopher Nolan was, and quite frankly didn't give a **** about the Batman franchise, aside from the animated series and comic books. (Though people closest to me were hyped because of Memento and Insomnia that they thought Nolan could take the Batman mythos to a whole 'nother level). I finally watched it on TV in 2008 prior to The Dark Knight, and I absolutely hated it (nonlinear story structure, certain cringeworthy dialogue and poor action took me out of it at first).

It wasn't until I watched The Dark Knight that I gained newfound appreciation for Nolan's Batman. I loved the film for it's psychological complexity, character interaction, and ofc the most iconic Joker to date (I'm in the minority who believes Burton's Joker was disrespectful to the canon). I bought the DVD, and realized that Nolan's take on the character was actually the deconstruction of Bruce Wayne and how he handled his traumatic moment of witnessing his parents' deaths. I realized that Nolan handled Bruce Wayne and Batman as if they were on a journey to rediscover the will to live...and as long as Bruce had Batman, he had a purpose in his life, and without Batman, Bruce was akin to a crippled man without his wheelchair.

After I saw TDKR (multiple times on DVD...something about that film just strikes me emotionally), I finally picked up Batman Begins on the discount pile and watched it without my preconceived notions of the Batman franchise and I was blown away by how fantastic the story was, and how fleshed out Bruce Wayne was compared to the pieces of turds in the 90s. I realized how wrong I was for hating the film, and gained newfound appreciation for the trilogy.

Point is: People hating MOS may have the same experience I had with BB provided that the sequel blows our mind as well as the conclusion (perhaps even more so if World's Finest and Justice League come into play). Ironically, I loved Goyer's take on Superman as being an alien that struggles to fit into society. I was kind of baffled how people just accepted Superman (in the comics and film) rather than question his motives. It's all about letting go of preconceived notions.
 
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^ Why did Nolan rarely show Batman in BB/TDK/TDKR? Is that the way Batman has always been, or is it a Nolan thing? Is Batman movies/tv/comics mainly about Bruce Wayne/villains/police/city?
 
All of this infighting would be moot if we lived in a communist utopia where box offices didn't exist. :o

I'm not supposed to talk politics on the boards, but I can't pass up this opportunity to point out that if the top American corporations were nationalized and put under democratic workers' control, copyright would no longer be an issue and you could theoretically see a Superman vs. Spider-Man movie, Justice League vs. The Avengers, all the Marvel characters including Spidey and the X-Men in one cinematic universe, you name it. Patton Oswalt's Star Wars filibuster on Parks and Recreation might not be so far-fetched. :cwink:

Of course, we live in a capitalist society, which means box office is what counts if we want to see MOS 2. And given the domestic and OS box office results so far, I'd say that's a slam dunk at this point. The system works! :oldrazz:
 
The Wolverine started screenings this week. Reviews are embargoed for now, but the rumblings we've heard so far is that it's surprisingly good, and apparently has [BLACKOUT]a particularly kickass end-credits scene.[/BLACKOUT]

First Class was really good, so if they keep taking it in that direction it restores my faith in them a bit. I hope.

I loved First Class. The film is very underrated, but, for me, it's right up there with Avengers, MOS, and TDK. It was smart, funny, and the character performances (notably from Fassbender and McAvoy) were especially moving and on-point. It's easily my favorite X-men movie.
 
According to the MOS FB page the movie should hit the studios predicted WW gross of 700m once Japan opens. So if WB predicted 700m then I feel all this sequel speculation and MOS needed to hit 8 or 900m talk from Tobias is dead and buried.
 
I really want to see the Japanese BO. It's the home of the super powered anime throwdown. Here was an American produced Hollywood blockbuster that has sequences that more than even The Matrix, bring the anime genre's gags to life. I hope this pays off for MOS big time.
 
People from Japan won't have anymore money left for MoS once they watch Pacific Rim about a billion times each. :o
 
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