Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Tra-El]

Here are two of Tobias's previous comments about MOS box office...





Any thoughts Tobias?

Yes. Choose your beverage wisely when washing down all that CROW.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Nothing wrong with changing your mind.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yes. Choose your beverage wisely when washing down all that CROW.

Tobias actually only increased his prediction by $150 million. This forum has actually made me more pessimistic than I was 2 weeks ago I must say.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would just like to say that my prediction isn't pessimistic or optimistic, it's just a prediction.

 

[Tobias]

Nothing wrong with changing your mind.

Thank you!

As I've said I'm human and change my mind at times.

Henry won me over big-time. Then the casting and then the trailers and outlines of the story we'd be getting and I became sold.

To the point where I've posted that MOS is the film we needed in 2006 and of course is the film we need today.

MOS is allowing Superman to grow which is long overdue.

MOS/Henry will I think become in 2013 what S:TM/Chris Reeve was in 1978.

 

[Tra-El]

Tobias actually only increased his prediction by $150 million. This forum has actually made me more pessimistic than I was 2 weeks ago I must say.

The closer it gets, the more and more tensions will raise in this certain thread. It's only natural. Some people are afraid to set on one number because the potential for this movie is through the roof and when something is projected to be big, people don't want to set themselves up for a letdown.

I can see the pessimistic approach if everything being tied to this film looked gloomy or hell, even 50/50 but it's been overwhelmingly positive across the board.

This era of Super-hero films is at an all-time high and the NEED and WANT for a Superman film done right are signs pointed in the right direction (and beyond.) Judging by the trailers/t.v spots, I think movie of the year (as many are predicting) is very, very real and possible.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Nothing wrong with changing your mind.

It was still sort of funny, the way it was brought up.

 

[Tobias]

It was still sort of funny, the way it was brought up.

Maybe the idea was to encourage you a bit. I did as you say raise my prediction 150 million.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

The closer it gets, the more and more tensions will raise in this certain thread. It's only natural. Some people are afraid to set on one number because the potential for this movie is through the roof and when something is projected to be big, people don't want to set themselves up for a letdown.

I can see the pessimistic approach if everything being tied to this film looked gloomy or hell, even 50/50 but it's been overwhelmingly positive across the board.

This era of Super-hero films is at an all-time high and the NEED and WANT for a Superman film done right are signs pointed in the right direction (and beyond.) Judging by the trailers/t.v spots, I think movie of the year (as many are predicting) is very, very real and possible.

As far as reviews from critics and audiences go, yes its possible.
IM3 is still going to have a higher BO (which isn't a bad thing).

 

[Tra-El]

As far as reviews from critics and audiences go, yes its possible.
IM3 is still going to have a higher BO (which isn't a bad thing).

Yeah, that's a givin. I think that's about as automatic as it comes and I don't think anybody has predicted Man of Steel to outperform IM3 as far as BO is concerned (for the most OBVIOUS reasons that has been discussed countless number of times.) But, as you mentioned, that's certainly not a bad thing considering many believe MOS is going to raise the bar even higher, which means the money-flow could see another barrier being broken with MOS sequels or respective spin-offs moving forward.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yeah, that's a givin. I think that's about as automatic as it comes and I don't think anybody has predicted Man of Steel to outperform IM3 as far as BO is concerned (for the most OBVIOUS reasons that has been discussed countless number of times.) But, as you mentioned, that's certainly not a bad thing considering many believe MOS is going to raise the bar even higher, which means the money-flow could see another barrier being broken with MOS sequels or respective spin-offs moving forward.

So what is your prediction?

 

[GreenKToo]

I'm with ISS. Just a Tad higher. 625/645 total.

 

[Tobias]

So what is your prediction?

As to predictions don't get too hung up on 700 million.

If MOS does even a bit less than 600 million and the reviews are solid and RT is solid WB is very likely to move ahead with JL. For 2 or 3 years from now. They are so anxious to do JL they are putting out a JL toy line. That has been in the news lately.

When JL comes you will get more than your 700 million film - you just might get a billion dollar film. If so JL2 will be put out quickly. Maybe 2 years after JL.

Think positive JL1 2015/2016 and JL2 2017/2018.

 

[Greeneyes]

Thank you!

As I've said I'm human and change my mind at times.

Henry won me over big-time. Then the casting and then the trailers and outlines of the story we'd be getting and I became sold.

To the point where I've posted that MOS is the film we needed in 2006 and of course is the film we need today.

MOS is allowing Superman to grow which is long overdue.

MOS/Henry will I think become in 2013 what S:TM/Chris Reeve was in 1978.

Really?

So Tobias,as a huge MOS and Superman fan please can you also explain these comments below that you made on the site?

about Cavill - he was a default choice because of the forced time-frame to get the movie going. Bad choice IMO though I hope he proves m wrong.

When MOS crashes next year I don't think WB will use it as a gauge. It's a film they didn't want to make but were forced to. Superman is not on WB's radar IMO. I suspect they have discounted MOS already

Superman is no longer popular so it's a shame WB will judge their path forward as regards superhero films with MOS.

There are other DC characters I think are much stronger franchise possibilities.

But we are stuck with Snyder and Cavill. I have little confidence in either but I have to hope I am way wrong casue unless they deliver we are up the creek.

I don't have high hopes for MOS. Despite the good cast. If MOS pulls an SR then where is WB?

The studio should have gone with Captain Marvel or Flash instead of another Superman film. Audeinces don't relate to Superman and I don't see Nolan or anyone else being able to change that.

We know what we know about Supes. That franchise is dead as far as WB is concerned. They were forced to make a detour and do MOS. But that's it. Supes is essentially kaput.

I don't think Supes has to be in a JL film. Batman is the only must have character.

After MOS in 2013 things hopefully will change in an exciting way for DC fans. No more Superman means WB will fianlly have to look at other DC characters and give them solos. Either that or only do Batman every 3 years but I think WB wants to do more than that.

I think the loss of Superman is really going to be a blessing in disguise for those who want to see Flash, WW or another GL solo film. Or other characters.

I think Superman is not too viable anymore and that what SR made is about as good as any Superman film can do. He's one of the most well-known characters but not one of the most popular. You can lead a horse to water but you can't force the horse to drink.

Nolan's name attached should be worth something. Just pulling out a figure - say 20 million.

Based on SR then, I'd expect to see MOS do about 411 million WW.

The bad thing is the poorer MOS does the less likely WB is to move quickly forward with another DC franchise.

Superman is the problem here. It should not be the gauge of other DC franchises. WB did not want to make more Superman films because they believe the franchise is basically dead. I don't know of any non-fanboy sources that think MOS will be anything but another big disappointment like SR.

So DC fans are stuck again because of Superman. This is why the best thing that will happen to fans of Flash and WW and the others is 2013 when WB and DC lose Superman and finally, like 20 years too late, the studio will have to focus on Flash and WW and the others.

2013 can't come too soon. It will be a game changer IMO

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Movie-goers aren't into Superman - he is a second tier character now so they need to be given a reason to turn out.

I don't think WB is planning any Superman after MOS.

The legal issues aren't going well and won't be resolved probably for a long time. preventing a follow-up to MOS.

In any event, WB had already decided to shelve Superman films because they are not financially feasible. No one seems to be expecting much from MOS. Maybe 400 million? When it costs 200 million to make and maybe 100 million to market that is a bad investment.

This is good for GL. WB is probably right now looking for that franchise to complement Batman. WW and Flash are contenders but GL is probably the only major DC franchise that can do huge numbers.

I expect both GL and Thor will pull in as much and possibly more than Man of Steel. In any case, that IMO is the more valid comparision/competition for the Superman franchise. Not Bats or Spidey or Ironman.

Superman isn't even in the same league. He's really a second tier character now.

WB should have done something different with MOS. Doing another origin story is not what i call doing something different.

But really Batman is the defacto leader of the JL now and has been for a long time. Superman doesn't have to be in the film. I'd rather WB take their time and get it right even it that means no Supes in the film.

Superman does not need to be in JL. Only fanboys will notice/care. Not the GA. JL needs to be about WW and Flash and MM working off of Bats.

MOS was a forced film. It's why it looks so iffy.

Snyder is not the best of directors IMO.

I was surprised he was selected to do MOS.

The whole set-up for MOS was extremely rushed because of the court order and it's deadline to get MOS up and going.

Maybe other directors were not available on short oder? Who knows. The casting of the lead role was rushed too.

They've seen the suit, Cavill in the suit, the hair. They've read leaks of the story.

Just a few reasons why there seems to be little anticipation for this film IMO.

We've seen Supes on the screen enough. I'd rather having a pairing between Batman and one of the DC superheros - not WW however.

In 2009 after WB said "screw it" and decided to shelve the Supes franchise the court came in and threw a monkey wrench into their plans by ordering them to make another Supes film by 2011.

But for that, I think today we might have a JL project in the works. Sadly it didn't work out that way.

It's why, and I get shot down for this, I hope the heirs take their Superman rights to Marvel next year.

Superman has not been included in some great JL stories. The Nail, if I am not wrong, is one of them.

Batman is always there however. And logistically/financially it makes sense to use just one - given that Batman is WB's flagship and most successful franchise it's a no-brainer.

And, if WB is doing JL anytime soon, all the issues around the Supes brand mean they probably can't use the character anyway.

A JL film featuring Batman as the lead with Flash and WW and GL and MM would be huge. Superman is not needed to make the JL franchise one of WB's more lucrative.

5 members yes but drop Supes.

The focus has to be on the "new" DC characters. Batman will be able to get the extra time in a JL film needed to help make it huge if the time is taken from what would have been time spent on Superman.

The GA is not going to notice.

WB/DC were set to shelve Superman. Even they know his days are over. MOS is only being made because of a court order but it will be his last hurrah.

Beyond that, Marvel is indeed killing DC across the board. The comics are almost even now but Marvel is catching up after the reboot.

So Tobias,what are your excuses for all of these then? Just being Human and changing your mind I suppose I could quote more similar comments too but I don't think it's needed really. No wonder you got banned from other Superman sites.

You want Superman to fail and disappear,it's very obvious. No true fan would say the things you do about Superman.

Sorry to lower the tone guys,but point proven I think. I'm done.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Damn!!!

 

[GreenKToo]

I had been wondering but didnt say anything. still not completely convinced.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Really?

So Tobias,as a huge MOS and Superman fan please can you also explain these comments below that you made on the site?













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So Tobias,what are your excuses for all of these then? Just being Human and changing your mind I suppose I could quote more similar comments too but I don't think it's needed really. No wonder you got banned from other Superman sites.

You want Superman to fail and disappear,it's very obvious. No true fan would say the things you do about Superman.

Sorry to lower the tone guys,but point proven I think. I'm done.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm with ISS. Just a Tad higher. 625/645 total.

Sometimes I wonder if I am under predicting it...I mean it does look amazing.

It's going to be very interesting to see what it does.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The style of Tobias remember me a guy with "LexLives" nickname...

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yeah....I'm sticking to $700-800 million.
Btw how did you find all of these comments?

 

[Andreth]

Really?

So Tobias,as a huge MOS and Superman fan please can you also explain these comments below that you made on the site?


So Tobias,what are your excuses for all of these then? Just being Human and changing your mind I suppose I could quote more similar comments too but I don't think it's needed really. No wonder you got banned from other Superman sites.

You want Superman to fail and disappear,it's very obvious. No true fan would say the things you do about Superman.

Sorry to lower the tone guys,but point proven I think. I'm done.

DAMN!



So much hate for Superman!

Thanks for this, now I now who I should never take seriously.

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Really?

So Tobias,as a huge MOS and Superman fan please can you also explain these comments below that you made on the site?

So Tobias,what are your excuses for all of these then? Just being Human and changing your mind I suppose I could quote more similar comments too but I don't think it's needed really. No wonder you got banned from other Superman sites.

You want Superman to fail and disappear,it's very obvious. No true fan would say the things you do about Superman.

Sorry to lower the tone guys,but point proven I think. I'm done.

Thanks for posting this, Greeneyes.
Tobias always looked like a hater, and there's not much to say after all the evidence in your post.

I'm sure he'll keep saying he's a ''big fan'' because he wrote a fanfiction...LOL.

 

[Tra-El]

So what is your prediction?

My rough estimates:
$135 million OW
$900 million WW

 

[Greeneyes]

I feel like I maybe shouldn't have done that?

Maybe I'm wrong and he is okay to say what he wants.

Was I wrong?

 

[VGPOP]

I'm thinking $150 million opening weekend. It could be more. Depends on the sellout before movie opens.