Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 8

[Project862006]

tobias honestly are you here just to bash this film and bring the doom and gloom you sure are a resilient little fella

i swear you act like this film made 2 bucks this past weekend

 

[Sup3rman81]

If 60% weekend drops are how MOS plays out the rest of it's run it will end up at 270 - 275. A 2.3 multiplier or so. Less than average. Plus the drops are totally out of the norm if they continue. GL type drops.

That has to worry WB a lot. Will they reconsider doing a sequel? Maybe not but it looks like plans to use MOS2 to launch other DC characters may not be effective. If MOS2 does the same or less than MOS. Tomb Raider scenario.

Something went wrong. I think it's a combo of things. I hope WB does not blame it on the character and give up. Huge crowds turned out for MOS but the film didn't impress them enough to do repeat viewings or insist their friends see it.

Business as usual won't do. I'm sorry but I think it wwill be a huge mistake if WB continues with the same creative team. It could potentially kill the franchise IMO - if MOS2 underperforms MOS.

Too violent? Yes for a Supes film. I find it interesting that Nolan wasn't for Superman killing but Goyer and Snyder insisted. What will they insist on in MOS2.

WB needs to wait until the final numbers are in and evaluate them and have a long talk with the creators as to what went wrong and what is the path forward.

Rushing a sequel after these results is foolish and I doubt WB will. Forget 2015 - 2016 is far more prudent. They absolutely have to get the next one right.

The drops are not out of the norm. Go do some research like I did and you will see that several BO hits have had drops like MOS. 275m is more than ASM so I am sure WB would be happy with that. It could very well get closer to IM 318m or IM 2 312m. WB isnt worried about this movie at all. It made 402m WW in less than two weeks and is a hit OS. MOS 2 wont be out in 2016. WB wants a JLA movie and MOS 2 probably wont be out 2014 like rumors say but 2015 for sure. That will be a huge year for CBM. Also Goyer and Snyder presented the death scene to Nolan in a way it would work. After that Nolan didnt have any issues with it.

You act as though you know what WB wanted this movie to make. They said it was only going to make 85m OW and it made 116m+ OW. It has broken several WB OS records and BO records. I just do not get how you can continue to case a negative picture on this film. It is not hated like you have said. Yes SOME critics didnt like it but who cares??!! Even the some who claimed they didnt like it still gave it 3/5 or a B score. I agree with some of the users that say your posts are like a broken record. I know that people thought, well some, thought it would make 1B or 900m or even 800m WW which would have been great. But I think its still got lots more to make OS and domestic I feel it will get to 300m+ if it hits 275 then thats fine. I still see a 600-700m WW take which is right there with ASM and IM.

 

[Marvin]

Problem is it had a big drop (58%) it's second weekend in the UK. IM3 had just a 45% drop.

I can only assume IM3 faced competition as well?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

tobias honestly are you here just to bash this film and bring the doom and gloom you sure are a resilient little fella

i swear you act like this film made 2 bucks this past weekend

Almost every other post of his is how WB needs a new creative team for the sequel. If we didn't get it the first 99 times he posted that, I think by the 100th time we got it.

 

[Tobias]

tobias honestly are you here just to bash this film and bring the doom and gloom you sure are a resilient little fella

i swear you act like this film made 2 bucks this past weekend

No. It did great the first weekend then has fallen off more quickly than almost all CBM movies. Akin to GL.

I want the sequel to really succeed and be great. To get there you (WB actually) have to honestly evaluate MOS. What can, what has to be done better or changed.

Look - MOS should end up at 270 - 275 domestic and 330 million or so OS. It should hit 600 million WW and some. Good numbers and think what they could have been if the film was cooking with gas. Everyone on board as they were for IM and TDK.

Simple as that.

 

[Sup3rman81]

I can only assume IM3 faced competition as well?

MOS was still number 1 in the UK as well but he didnt want to mention that and it was up WWZ.

 

[Tobias]

The drops are not out of the norm. Go do some research like I did and you will see that several BO hits have had drops like MOS. 275m is more than ASM so I am sure WB would be happy with that. It could very well get closer to IM 318m or IM 2 312m. WB isnt worried about this movie at all. It made 402m WW in less than two weeks and is a hit OS. MOS 2 wont be out in 2016. WB wants a JLA movie and MOS 2 probably wont be out 2014 like rumors say but 2015 for sure. That will be a huge year for CBM. Also Goyer and Snyder presented the death scene to Nolan in a way it would work. After that Nolan didnt have any issues with it.

You act as though you know what WB wanted this movie to make. They said it was only going to make 85m OW and it made 116m+ OW. It has broken several WB OS records and BO records. I just do not get how you can continue to case a negative picture on this film. It is not hated like you have said. Yes SOME critics didnt like it but who cares??!! Even the some who claimed they didnt like it still gave it 3/5 or a B score. I agree with some of the users that say your posts are like a broken record. I know that people thought, well some, thought it would make 1B or 900m or even 800m WW which would have been great. But I think its still got lots more to make OS and domestic I feel it will get to 300m+ if it hits 275 then thats fine. I still see a 600-700m WW take which is right there with ASM and IM.

The 2014 thing was always just a rumor. No way practically it could be done.

 

[JangoNate]

Strange may just be your area... But everyone was talking about how epic the movie was... This was from GA. Happens at my work place and people on Facebook posting "you have to see MOS... Best action flick of the year... Worth every penny."

This has definitely been my experience. I've heard a lot of comments like, "What movie were the critics watching?" I have a lot of others still planning on seeing it, too. Also, since it's easy to say your friends agree with you, I've hung out after my viewings to hear random reactions from the crowd. I've heard someone shout "Awesome!" others say, "Solid," and most saying "A lot better than I thought it would be." The only time I heard a negative comment was someone walking by the theater who hadn't seen it yet. The other comment I hear is along the lines of, "There's too many movies I want to see this summer."

 

[kalhawj]

You can't argue with the numbers. MOS is experiencing one of the quickest fall-offs I've seen. It's performing, hold-wise, like GL. You can be sure WB is seeing this and they have to be asking questions. I can't believe they will shell out 225 million for a sequel until they do a total evaluation and "demand" fixes they see as needed to correct the problems.

The press is picking up on this. Just read an article that referred to MOS's second week drop as just a bit less than GL's. Then commented that it is not good news for the film. These kind of stories will be out there now and the unfortunate thing is they tie a negative perception around MOS. It could be MOS will be baggage the sequel will have to overcome.

Quickest fall what are you smoking... What's happening to MOS domestic number is call competition... It's still doing well and still bringing in money with the competition. Oversea it's dominating and still #1. After this weekend it's WW total will hit 500 mil. Also in no way would WB x the team that made Superman ralivent again on the big screen. Go back look at GL number and MOS at boxofficemojo and understand it before you post this BS. We get it you are hoping it to fail.

 

[Princess Denise]

I do not think DC and WB have tried to market to kids so much but more the 12 and older group. There is so much more violence on TV now days that MOS and TDK trilogy are light weights. Marvel has some serious tones and violence to its movies as well. I found the IM series to be just as dark as what DC is doing. Stark is a womanizer/alcoholic and that isnt for kids. but parents take them to see it anyways. I feel Avengers tried to be more family/kid friendly than the other phase 1 movies.

I could be wrong, but I got the distinct feeling that WB was trying to appeal to little kids as well with all the toy tie-ins and everything. Also, many parents cannot afford a babysitter so even when they see an adult movie they must bring their little ones with them. I cannot believe that the perception that MOS is so dark and violent did not at all play any role in parents being apprehensive about bringing the kids. I agree with you that a lot of the other comic book movies are "dark", but Superman is always unfairly held to a higher standard and this created a lot more negative press than usual. The "perception" that MOS is more violent than the others is out there and parents are just as likely to pick up on it as anyone else.

 

[dnno1]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=originshow.htm

Above is a comparison amongst the films "Spider-Man", "Iron Man", and "Man of Steel". Although the latter film is dropping off a lot more than the other two, it is still on a pace to make as much as "Iron Man". That all depends on how well the box office take is in the next few weekends.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yes, the word is out and I'm sure parents are finding out, how many superheroes brutally murder the main villain by snapping his neck with his own hands. And to have Superman do it of all heroes?! I'm sure there are parents hearing about this and the destruction at the end and choosing not to take their kids because of that.

 

[Tobias]

I could be wrong, but I got the distinct feeling that WB was trying to appeal to little kids as well with all the toy tie-ins and everything. Also, many parents cannot afford a babysitter so even when they see an adult movie they must bring their little ones with them. I cannot believe that the perception that MOS is so dark and violent did not at all play any role in parents being apprehensive about bringing the kids. I agree with you that a lot of the other comic book movies are "dark", but Superman is always unfairly held to a higher standard and this created a lot more negative press than usual. The "perception" that MOS is more violent than the others is out there and parents are just as likely to pick up on it as anyone else.

I think that may have been a factor. I have a neighbor who is not allowing her kids to see it because of the reported violence. She reads reviews before letting her kids see a film.

It is ironic that Supes gets grief for being a goody two shoes then when they try to make him less perfect he gets grief again. I understand what Snyder was trying to do though I think having Superman actually kill was a mistake. I read that Lois may know Clark is supes in the sequel. Snyder I think it was mentioning who seriously believes a pair of glasses could hide Clark's identity. So they may shake that up in the sequel - I dunno.

 

[Sup3rman81]

You can't argue with the numbers. MOS is experiencing one of the quickest fall-offs I've seen. It's performing, hold-wise, like GL. You can be sure WB is seeing this and they have to be asking questions. I can't believe they will shell out 225 million for a sequel until they do a total evaluation and "demand" fixes they see as needed to correct the problems.

The press is picking up on this. Just read an article that referred to MOS's second week drop as just a bit less than GL's. Then commented that it is not good news for the film. These kind of stories will be out there now and the unfortunate thing is they tie a negative perception around MOS. It could be MOS will be baggage the sequel will have to overcome.

why you and others keep comparing it to GL is absurd. GL was never #1, it didnt break WB OS records, it didnt break BO OW records. It didnt make 40+m its second week or lead OS markets its 2nd week. It didnt make over 400m in 11 days. MOS made what GL made its entire run in 3 days!!!!! But yea you and the other people who say its comparable to GL are correct!! LMAO!! If those critics that got rotten scores had been positive and MOS had even made 60% Fresh I swear none of this negative talk would be happening. But everyone wants to jump on the oh its got poor WOM train or oh its bombing like GL! I guess if thats the case then IM underperformed and so did ASM. I guess all the HP films that followed the same BO trend are failures to, Twilight its a failure as well.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It is ironic that Supes gets grief for being a goody two shoes then when they try to make him less perfect he gets grief again. I understand what Snyder was trying to do though I think having Superman actually kill was a mistake. I read that Lois may know Clark is supes in the sequel. Snyder I think it was mentioning who seriously believes a pair of glasses could hide Clark's identity. So they may shake that up in the sequel - I dunno.

You watched the movie right? Lois already knows Clark is Superman.

But I agree, Supes is always regarded as goody two shoes but I think they tried overcompensating with this one and it may have backfired.

 

[Tobias]

You watched the movie right? Lois already knows Clark is Superman.

But I agree, Supes is always regarded as goody two shoes but I think they tried overcompensating with this one and it may have backfired.

I meant others knowing.

 

[Sup3rman81]

I could be wrong, but I got the distinct feeling that WB was trying to appeal to little kids as well with all the toy tie-ins and everything. Also, many parents cannot afford a babysitter so even when they see an adult movie they must bring their little ones with them. I cannot believe that the perception that MOS is so dark and violent did not at all play any role in parents being apprehensive about bringing the kids. I agree with you that a lot of the other comic book movies are "dark", but Superman is always unfairly held to a higher standard and this created a lot more negative press than usual. The "perception" that MOS is more violent than the others is out there and parents are just as likely to pick up on it as anyone else.

my step son is 9 and he loved it but other kids maybe 5-6 might find some scenes scary. I know they do toys because kids will buy them but it doesnt mean that they will get to see the movie. Its all about WB trying to make that money.

 

[Tobias]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=originshow.htm

Above is a comparison amongst the films "Spider-Man", "Iron Man", and "Man of Steel". Although the latter film is dropping off a lot more than the other two, it is still on a pace to make as much as "Iron Man". That all depends on how well the box office take is in the next few weekends.

So the question is why is it dropping so much more than the other 2? They don't mention the competition the others faced. I'd be curious if they were up against strong films or not. IM maybe not cause of when it was released.

 

[JangoNate]

Yes, the word is out and I'm sure parents are finding out, how many superheroes brutally murder the main villain by snapping his neck with his own hands. And to have Superman do it of all heroes?! I'm sure there are parents hearing about this and the destruction at the end and choosing not to take their kids because of that.

My kid is 2, so he's just too young to go to the movies period. That being said, I might have waited to show him the movie til he was older. Last movie like this was ROTS with the murdering of younglings and the immolation of Anakin. That sucked more because kids grew up rooting for him.

 

[Tobias]

You watched the movie right? Lois already knows Clark is Superman.

But I agree, Supes is always regarded as goody two shoes but I think they tried overcompensating with this one and it may have backfired.

Yeah. They went too far. I have no problem in making Superman darker. I think it is needed actually. But the killing thing should stand.

A lot of parents read reviews these days before allowing their kids to go to a film so the violence was a factor but it's hard to say how much of one.

 

[JangoNate]

my step son is 9 and he loved it but other kids maybe 5-6 might find some scenes scary. I know they do toys because kids will buy them but it doesnt mean that they will get to see the movie. Its all about WB trying to make that money.

My lil guy got some of those even without seeing the film, because he loves Superman. Daddy, too.

 

[Princess Denise]

why you and others keep comparing it to GL is absurd. GL was never #1, it didnt break WB OS records, it didnt break BO OW records. It didnt make 40+m its second week or lead OS markets its 2nd week. It didnt make over 400m in 11 days. MOS made what GL made its entire run in 3 days!!!!! But yea you and the other people who say its comparable to GL are correct!! LMAO!! If those critics that got rotten scores had been positive and MOS had even made 60% Fresh I swear none of this negative talk would be happening. But everyone wants to jump on the oh its got poor WOM train or oh its bombing like GL! I guess if thats the case then IM underperformed and so did ASM. I guess all the HP films that followed the same BO trend are failures to, Twilight its a failure as well.

Yes, the comparison to GL is absurd! A movie that opened badly and dropped badly is not exactly the same as a film with a record breaking OW that has a significant drop in subsequent weeks! I feel the best comparison is TASM which MOS is currently outpacing. That could change, but I think MOS will end up with a little more.

 

[Sup3rman81]

Yes, the word is out and I'm sure parents are finding out, how many superheroes brutally murder the main villain by snapping his neck with his own hands. And to have Superman do it of all heroes?! I'm sure there are parents hearing about this and the destruction at the end and choosing not to take their kids because of that.

He didnt brutally murder him. He did it at the last split second to save the lives of those people. Its not like Bane snapping necks or what Faora did. He learned from his mistake and thats what defines him. I guess Loki stabbing a blade through Coulsons body was more for kids? Nothing like a good old bloody blade protruding through a mans body to get the kids in seats but they cant go see MOS because he made a decision to save lives.

 

[dnno1]

So the question is why is it dropping so much more than the other 2? They don't mention the competition the others faced. I'd be curious if they were up against strong films or not. IM maybe not cause of when it was released.

The competition and negative attacks against this very good film is not helping at all. Like I said before, we will see what happens in the coming weeks. I suspect that it will have more support from the foreign Box Office.

 

[JangoNate]

Yeah. They went too far. I have no problem in making Superman darker. I think it is needed actually. But the killing thing should stand.

A lot of parents read reviews these days before allowing their kids to go to a film so the violence was a factor but it's hard to say how much of one.

I was saying this before the movie came out, but after seeing it I changed my tune. As others have already said, it added some complexity to the character.

The sequel has a lot of weight to carry. Not only must it be another fresh take on Superman in this new universe, but how it deals with the destruction and Superman's decision to kill Zod could actually raise some people's opinions about MOS.