Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 8

[Sup3rman81]

So the question is why is it dropping so much more than the other 2? They don't mention the competition the others faced. I'd be curious if they were up against strong films or not. IM maybe not cause of when it was released.

Spider Man was new and didnt face any competition for a few weeks. I think it even out did SW:AOTC. Spider Man was a fun new movie and that is what helped it out. Iron Man was the same as well. Marvel schedules better. MOS didnt have the chance to make 2nd week numbers like SM and IM because it had two huge movies that appealed to MOS viewers.

 

[BH/HHH]

You can't argue with the numbers. MOS is experiencing one of the quickest fall-offs I've seen. It's performing, hold-wise, like GL. You can be sure WB is seeing this and they have to be asking questions. I can't believe they will shell out 225 million for a sequel until they do a total evaluation and "demand" fixes they see as needed to correct the problems.

The press is picking up on this. Just read an article that referred to MOS's second week drop as just a bit less than GL's. Then commented that it is not good news for the film. These kind of stories will be out there now and the unfortunate thing is they tie a negative perception around MOS. It could be MOS will be baggage the sequel will have to overcome.

Like GL its already doubled that films gross and not to mention that its hit some sturdy competetion. Yet its still gonna end up with big figures WW. So what does it matter?

 

[kalhawj]

I'm glad MOS is PG 13 but still my 7-9 years old nephews loved it... I'm sure MOS 2 will have less violent so the younger ones can watch it. Fix all of the minor flaws and make it our next TDK masterpiece type of movie.

 

[Marvin]

Yes, the word is out and I'm sure parents are finding out, how many superheroes brutally murder the main villain by snapping his neck with his own hands. And to have Superman do it of all heroes?! I'm sure there are parents hearing about this and the destruction at the end and choosing not to take their kids because of that.

It would be interesting to see if this response is happening I must admit.
I mean from the execution terrorist scene to the fate of Killian in IM3(a disney movie no less), you would think parents would have a consistency in their outrage. When it comes to what they let their kids watch.

Then again, this is superman...

 

[sf2]

Spider Man was new and didnt face any competition for a few weeks. I think it even out did SW:AOTC. Spider Man was a fun new movie and that is what helped it out. Iron Man was the same as well. Marvel schedules better. MOS didnt have the chance to make 2nd week numbers like SM and IM because it had two huge movies that appealed to MOS viewers.

I think MOS doesn't have strong legs in US. It does in OS markets. It remains no 1 despite stiff competition from WWZ and MU.

 

[Tobias]

Spider Man was new and didnt face any competition for a few weeks. I think it even out did SW:AOTC. Spider Man was a fun new movie and that is what helped it out. Iron Man was the same as well. Marvel schedules better. MOS didnt have the chance to make 2nd week numbers like SM and IM because it had two huge movies that appealed to MOS viewers.

Scheduling was dumb. A July release and the numbers would have been better. Maybe not by much but it might have actually gotten to 300 million.

WB had better make a decision soon on if and when they will do a sequel - and stake a date out. 2015 is already filling up w/ good dates taken but 2016 has good spots still open.

I understand thy are holding back probably because of the drops and wanting to see how it ends but scheduling is, duh, absolutely critical. But maybe WB still doesn't get that.

 

[kalhawj]

I still think it's up to the parents to decide... it may be a small percent that aren't going... my second and third showing of MOS had lots of kids from 7-12 with their parents watching it.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

If 60% weekend drops are how MOS plays out the rest of it's run it will end up at 270 - 275. A 2.3 multiplier or so. Less than average. Plus the drops are totally out of the norm if they continue. GL type drops.

That has to worry WB a lot. Will they reconsider doing a sequel? Maybe not but it looks like plans to use MOS2 to launch other DC characters may not be effective. If MOS2 does the same or less than MOS. Tomb Raider scenario.

Something went wrong. I think it's a combo of things. I hope WB does not blame it on the character and give up. Huge crowds turned out for MOS but the film didn't impress them enough to do repeat viewings or insist their friends see it.

Business as usual won't do. I'm sorry but I think it wwill be a huge mistake if WB continues with the same creative team. It could potentially kill the franchise IMO - if MOS2 underperforms MOS.

Too violent? Yes for a Supes film. I find it interesting that Nolan wasn't for Superman killing but Goyer and Snyder insisted. What will they insist on in MOS2.

WB needs to wait until the final numbers are in and evaluate them and have a long talk with the creators as to what went wrong and what is the path forward.

Rushing a sequel after these results is foolish and I doubt WB will. Forget 2015 - 2016 is far more prudent. They absolutely have to get the next one right.

Christ on a pogo stick...after reading your post, i went to boxofficemojo to see if MOS only made 20 bucks this week...

You know, there's another factor that needs to be examined when thinking about a sequel, other than profits.....potential.It's what made WB decide to make a Superman movie in the first place.

MOS may not be a critical success or set the box office on fire, but the general consensus among the GA and fans...has been mostly positieve. Even the bad reviews agreed that MOS at the very least is a competently made movie and there is an undeniably entertaining element to the movie.

It's not like SR which was a very polarizing movie amongst fans and was met by a 'meh'reaction amongst the GA, or like GL which was considered a joke by the majority of people who has seen it. There is no bad publicity surrounding MOS.

I'm confident that...taking all these into account, the exects at WB studio recognized the potential of a MOS sequel.

And let's not forget that the movie isnt even out for a whole month yet...

 

[Sup3rman81]

I swear if I hear one more word that MOS is too violent then I am going to snap necks. If MOS is too violent then every other CBM is just as violent and shouldnt be made anymore. every Batman movie and every Marvel movie so far has violent acts that are as bad or worse than MOS.

Another thing is people keep comparing this to Donner and the comic book Superman. This isnt that Superman. Its a new Superman, with flaws and fears. Its a new take on him. People are so stuck on Donner and Reeve and the boy scout appearance that they are blinded and just dont want to accept a new Superman. I like what Snyder has done with him. Zod knew it was either him or Kal and he pushed his buttons until Superman had no choice. But people wont see that. They only want to see Reeve with his never do anything wrong attitude and geek smile. I love Reeve but even he said he was the right Superman for HIS time and one day another guy would be the right one for that time. That man is CAVILL

 

[Tobias]

I swear if I hear one more word that MOS is too violent then I am going to snap necks. If MOS is too violent then every other CBM is just as violent and shouldnt be made anymore. every Batman movie and every Marvel movie so far has violent acts that are as bad or worse than MOS

Unfortunately it's a double standard. Superman is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. It is what it is.

 

[Notrip]

Looks like Man of Steel will have a decent Tue increase. My week prediction of 15-16m might be a bit low (probably will be around 17m MON-THU). IF Man of Steel can reach 20m this weekend then 290 is within reach and knowing WB, They will slow crawl it too 300m (IF it does happen to have a 20m weekend) I am seeing it again this weekend.

 

[Sup3rman81]

Scheduling was dumb. A July release and the numbers would have been better. Maybe not by much but it might have actually gotten to 300 million.

WB had better make a decision soon on if and when they will do a sequel - and stake a date out. 2015 is already filling up w/ good dates taken but 2016 has good spots still open.

I understand thy are holding back probably because of the drops and wanting to see how it ends but scheduling is, duh, absolutely critical. But maybe WB still doesn't get that.

I will say I agree with you on that about the scheduling and WB should know that and not blame MOS.

 

[Princess Denise]

Looks like Man of Steel will have a decent Tue increase. My week prediction of 15-16m might be a bit low (probably will be around 17m MON-THU). IF Man of Steel can reach 20m this weekend then 290 is within reach and knowing WB, They will slow crawl it too 300m (IF it does happen to have a 20m weekend) I am seeing it again this weekend.

Source?

 

[dnno1]

Yes, the word is out and I'm sure parents are finding out, how many superheroes brutally murder the main villain by snapping his neck with his own hands. And to have Superman do it of all heroes?! I'm sure there are parents hearing about this and the destruction at the end and choosing not to take their kids because of that.

Yeah, like how the Incredible Hulk choked the Abomination to death. Like Spider-Man leaped over the Green Goblin's approaching jet sled, allowing it to kill the latter. Like how Iron Man flew to a town and killed all of the terrorists. Yeah, like the parents though that was bad. You know, I am actually beginning to think you didn't watch any of these movies.

 

[kalhawj]

Unfortunately it's a double standard. Superman is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. It is what it is.

This is what it is to be a Superman fan... everyone seems to have their own take on what Superman is and should be... I for one love this new Superman. It he finally more relatable (Keyword) and interesting than any Superman we have seen on the big screen. MOS has so much potential and only a sequel can explore that.

 

[Tobias]

Looks like Man of Steel will have a decent Tue increase. My week prediction of 15-16m might be a bit low (probably will be around 17m MON-THU). IF Man of Steel can reach 20m this weekend then 290 is within reach and knowing WB, They will slow crawl it too 300m (IF it does happen to have a 20m weekend) I am seeing it again this weekend.

Ah, the slow crawl. Remember it well. In 2006 SR got to like 189 million or so and was set to drop out of theatres when suddenly the theatre count jumps several hundred and SR runs through most of September. Finally hitting 200 million. Next week the theatre count went to practically nothing.

The difference is 25/30 million is a tougher, much so, row to hoe than 10 million.

But yes, WB can apparently play games with theate counts. Or so it seemed with SR.

 

[Princess Denise]

I swear if I hear one more word that MOS is too violent then I am going to snap necks. If MOS is too violent then every other CBM is just as violent and shouldnt be made anymore. every Batman movie and every Marvel movie so far has violent acts that are as bad or worse than MOS.

Another thing is people keep comparing this to Donner and the comic book Superman. This isnt that Superman. Its a new Superman, with flaws and fears. Its a new take on him. People are so stuck on Donner and Reeve and the boy scout appearance that they are blinded and just dont want to accept a new Superman. I like what Snyder has done with him. Zod knew it was either him or Kal and he pushed his buttons until Superman had no choice. But people wont see that. They only want to see Reeve with his never do anything wrong attitude and geek smile. I love Reeve but even he said he was the right Superman for HIS time and one day another guy would be the right one for that time. That man is CAVILL

I agree with all of your points 100%! t: Many are holding Superman to a much higher standard than the rest. Not having Superman be the big blue boy scout has created an incredibly unfair "perception" that MOS is more violent and dark than other CBMs when really it is not the case. It stinks.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah, like how the Incredible Hulk choked the Abomination to death. Like Spider-Man leaped over the Green Goblin's approaching jet sled, allowing it to kill the latter. Like how Iron Man flew to a town and killed all of the terrorists. Yeah, like the parents though that was bad. You know, I am actually beginning to think you didn't watch any of these movies.

You do realize Superman is held to a different standard right? That's part of what makes him Superman. And in my post I stated that the issue was how Superman killed him, the brutal manner. Had he punched him into the sun no one would blink an eye.

The poster who brought up Agent Coulson being killed, the villain did that, not a hero. Spider-Man didn't kill Goblin with his own hands. And the terrorists being killed by Iron Man, you don't actually see them being killed on camera, and Iron Man didn't kill them with his bare hands. That's the difference, not that people were killed but doing it directly with one's hands is viewed much more brutal. And to have Superman do that of all people is very shocking.

 

[sf2]

I swear if I hear one more word that MOS is too violent then I am going to snap necks. If MOS is too violent then every other CBM is just as violent and shouldnt be made anymore. every Batman movie and every Marvel movie so far has violent acts that are as bad or worse than MOS.

Another thing is people keep comparing this to Donner and the comic book Superman. This isnt that Superman. Its a new Superman, with flaws and fears. Its a new take on him. People are so stuck on Donner and Reeve and the boy scout appearance that they are blinded and just dont want to accept a new Superman. I like what Snyder has done with him. Zod knew it was either him or Kal and he pushed his buttons until Superman had no choice. But people wont see that. They only want to see Reeve with his never do anything wrong attitude and geek smile. I love Reeve but even he said he was the right Superman for HIS time and one day another guy would be the right one for that time. That man is CAVILL

Lol. But sad indeed. MOS is a great movie. But it doesnt meet the perception of superman in their mind, they bad mouth it till no end. Just like SR.

 

[Notrip]

Ah, the slow crawl. Remember it well. In 2006 SR got to like 189 million or so and was set to drop out of theatres when suddenly the theatre count jumps several hundred and SR runs through most of September. Finally hitting 200 million. Next week the theatre count went to practically nothing.

The difference is 25/30 million is a tougher, much so, row to hoe than 10 million.

But yes, WB can apparently play games with theate counts. Or so it seemed with SR.

They have history with that. Hobbit, TDK (1billion), SR, and would not be surprised if Man of Steel hit 288 or higher and they bring it back up for some special. It will get some more business once it hits the 2 or 3 dollar theaters. I know I will see it once it hits my 2 dollar theater.

 

[Tobias]

I will say I agree with you on that about the scheduling and WB should know that and not blame MOS.

Yeah. I think WB was set to officially announce a sequel by next week depending on the holds. Unfortunately the holds haven't been good and little new news seems to be coming out re: a sequel. Compared to the week prior to release. Now I see them pushing a decision/announcement till fall. And by then all the more viable dates for 2015 could be gone.

I am still expecting 2016. When does Avengers 2 come out? If 2015 then another reason for waiting till 2016.

 

[Notrip]

Source?

Box-office forum (someone posted a 5.2 million, pretty decent TUE increase for MOS) nothing official yet, but we will get something official soon though.

 

[kalhawj]

Now that increase is good... this means all those WWZ viewer are going back to MOS... the Leg is still there... if it weren't it would have drop more on Tuesday from Monday.

 

[Tobias]

You do realize Superman is held to a different standard right? That's part of what makes him Superman. And in my post I stated that the issue was how Superman killed him, the brutal manner. Had he punched him into the sun no one would blink an eye.

The poster who brought up Agent Coulson being killed, the villain did that, not a hero. Spider-Man didn't kill Goblin with his own hands. And the terrorists being killed by Iron Man, you don't actually see them being killed on camera, and Iron Man didn't kill them with his bare hands. That's the difference, not that people were killed but doing it directly with one's hands is viewed much more brutal. And to have Superman do that of all people is very shocking.

Exactly! I wonder if this will be a main theme in a sequel. Superman's guilt over killing and emerging from that his vow to never kill again. That would help rectify things some.

 

[Notrip]

Yeah. I think WB was set to officially announce a sequel by next week depending on the holds. Unfortunately the holds haven't been good and little new news seems to be coming out re: a sequel. Compared to the week prior to release. Now I see them pushing a decision/announcement till fall. And by then all the more viable dates for 2015 could be gone.

I am still expecting 2016. When does Avengers 2 come out? If 2015 then another reason for waiting till 2016.

WB will have something in 2015, Cannot wait that long and they know it. Expect an announcement very soon from WB on MOS2, JLA, and the DCCU.