Is it kinda like twilights? Even though the films are as good as rubbish, they still made millions because the teenage girls were crazy to see that white face guy with that stiff face girl, and not so much about the vampire and werewolf. So not all vampire and werewolf film can guarantee making money. Right?
No and that's what I mean. Since the movies were a hit for the young demographic. Do you really think teenage girls are interested in robots fighting. It's more the 'hipness' of everything in it. The camaros and other flashy cars, plus Megan Fox who was very 'hot' in terms of coverage at the time.
Back to Pacific Rim. There's not that 'cool' angle of kids going through high school or college or whatever. It's more... look if I have to keep explaining you aren't gonna get it. But there's a huge difference.
Yeah but think of the imagery most associated with the filmsI respectively disagree. They may have helped a little, but the robots and action were the draw. Everybody already knew the name transformers. Throw the name bay in, and it was a sure fire hit.
MOS I can see. I wouldn't bet on Pacific Rim though. Guillermo del Toro is more of a cult film director. So whilst you and I love his films they don't exactly light the world on fire. And if that mediocre trailer is anything to go by (as in completely disregarded by most people) I can't see it raking it in big next year either. People will say 'but look at how popular the transformers movies were', but I think they underestimate how important Shia labeuf and Megan Fox were to drawing the 'mainstream' to those movies.
I don't know, I think it's the type of movies that Del Toro directs that lend themselves to cult films. Pacific Rim seems like it's going to be a huge crowd pleaser that has more reach than his other movies. We'll see.
$100M 3-Day opening!?!
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, folks. Best to take a step back and breathe.
Damn. Kinda true though.Its not impossible, I believe its just that most movies released during that mid-June time frame don't have the potential to make that much. Toy Story 3 did but thats obvious why.
If MOS and IM3 switched release dates, I'm pretty sure IM3 would still pass $100 million while MOS is still no guarantee.
Del Toro hasn't made one crowd pleaser so I have no proof that he knows what large audiences want. Now Whedon hadn't a non cult thing to his name until Avengers but that was a big superhero team up film so the jury is still out on he can lure in moviegoers with a non Avengers movie like Nolan did with Inception but I digress. I don't see how some see Rim as an automatic hit because of big robots? Transformers was a well know property and that helps. Rim is not a well know property and the trailer was mediocre, big robots are not going to be enough. A decent trailer needs to be cut stat.
Yeah but think of the imagery most associated with the films
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I wouldn't say that's what's most associated with the films(especially for the kids) but let's play ball here. All of this stuff was in both The bat films and Avengers, probably more so, don't forget Bond, however those films had the appearance of character study and a few other things on the check list so all was well. Point is, it's amazing how stigmatic such visuals have become on message boards and circles such as our, yet celebrated in the next breath.
It's amazing to actually hear people around here comment on how "cool" giant robots punching **** can be, without adding the eye roll smilely at the end. Not that the pRim trailer has objectively offered an ounce more substance than any of the TF fare. I suppose it's the promise of things.
We are a superstitions and cowardly lot and the execs know it.
Again, I've seen more Hathaway's behind in skin tight clad on a bike then I've ever seen of fox in the same scenario at this point, but one was done "tastefully" whilst the latter was done in with a hint of insult so...I digress.
Transformers had a smaller name than GJ joe when it opened and yet something worked, dare I say it was the producers ability to tap into and sell the cultural digest of the times rather effectively.
I like Del Torro, but I'm not seeing that in his product. Not saying that's a bad thing, this is a box office discussion. I'm seeing something like the hobbit which speaks very fluently to a genre crowd with some spill over. However unlike the hobbit, PRim doesn't have the power of zeitgeist on it's side. Moreover it's not exactly promising anything we haven't seen before. If anything, the early visuals are a step backwards.
Fans really need to ask themselves: as amazing has Del Torro has been to genre, how amazing have his films really been? I love Blade 2, I like the hell boy stuff. But were those nolan caliber achievements? It will do modest business...word of mouth and poor competition will be it's saving grace. And, as much as I hate myself for saying this, It also needed some bankable stars.
Who the **** are these people?
Sometimes WB films opening big, other times they open very much the opposite.
I think MoS will surprise people. And after that, so will it's box office.
"Have you seen that new Nolan Superman movie?" they will say, "you've gotta, it's so different..."
"superman actually has a thought process and he verbalizes it"
I wouldn't say that's what's most associated with the films(especially for the kids) but let's play ball here. All of this stuff was in both The bat films and Avengers, probably more so, don't forget Bond, however those films had the appearance of character study and a few other things on the check list so all was well. Point is, it's amazing how stigmatic such visuals have become on message boards and circles such as our, yet celebrated in the next breath.
It's amazing to actually hear people around here comment on how "cool" giant robots punching **** can be, without adding the eye roll smilely at the end. Not that the pRim trailer has objectively offered an ounce more substance than any of the TF fare. I suppose it's the promise of things.
We are a superstitions and cowardly lot and the execs know it.
Exactly.Again, I've seen more Hathaway's behind in skin tight clad on a bike then I've ever seen of fox in the same scenario at this point, but one was done "tastefully" whilst the latter was done in with a hint of insult so...I digress.
Transformers had a smaller name than GJ joe when it opened and yet something worked, dare I say it was the producers ability to tap into and sell the cultural digest of the times rather effectively.
I like Del Torro, but I'm not seeing that in his product. Not saying that's a bad thing, this is a box office discussion. I'm seeing something like the hobbit which speaks very fluently to a genre crowd with some spill over. However unlike the hobbit, PRim doesn't have the power of zeitgeist on it's side. Moreover it's not exactly promising anything we haven't seen before. If anything, the early visuals are a step backwards.
Exactly. Idris Elba and Ron Perlman just aren't big mainstream draws.Fans really need to ask themselves: as amazing has Del Torro has been to genre, how amazing have his films really been? I love Blade 2, I like the hell boy stuff. But were those nolan caliber achievements? It will do modest business...word of mouth and poor competition will be it's saving grace. And, as much as I hate myself for saying this, It also needed some bankable stars.
Who the **** are these people?
Sometimes WB films opening big, other times they open very much the opposite.
I think MoS will surprise people. And after that, so will it's box office.
"Have you seen that new Nolan Superman movie?" they will say, "you've gotta, it's so different..."
"superman actually has a thought process and he verbalizes it"
I sure as hell hope so. I really hope it has a great word of mouth, that would help so much, and keep people coming to see the film.I wouldn't say that's what's most associated with the films(especially for the kids) but let's play ball here. All of this stuff was in both The bat films and Avengers, probably more so, don't forget Bond, however those films had the appearance of character study and a few other things on the check list so all was well. Point is, it's amazing how stigmatic such visuals have become on message boards and circles such as our, yet celebrated in the next breath.
It's amazing to actually hear people around here comment on how "cool" giant robots punching **** can be, without adding the eye roll smilely at the end. Not that the pRim trailer has objectively offered an ounce more substance than any of the TF fare. I suppose it's the promise of things.
We are a superstitions and cowardly lot and the execs know it.
Again, I've seen more Hathaway's behind in skin tight clad on a bike then I've ever seen of fox in the same scenario at this point, but one was done "tastefully" whilst the latter was done in with a hint of insult so...I digress.
Transformers had a smaller name than GJ joe when it opened and yet something worked, dare I say it was the producers ability to tap into and sell the cultural digest of the times rather effectively.
I like Del Torro, but I'm not seeing that in his product. Not saying that's a bad thing, this is a box office discussion. I'm seeing something like the hobbit which speaks very fluently to a genre crowd with some spill over. However unlike the hobbit, PRim doesn't have the power of zeitgeist on it's side. Moreover it's not exactly promising anything we haven't seen before. If anything, the early visuals are a step backwards.
Fans really need to ask themselves: as amazing has Del Torro has been to genre, how amazing have his films really been? I love Blade 2, I like the hell boy stuff. But were those nolan caliber achievements? It will do modest business...word of mouth and poor competition will be it's saving grace. And, as much as I hate myself for saying this, It also needed some bankable stars.
Who the **** are these people?
Sometimes WB films opening big, other times they open very much the opposite.
I think MoS will surprise people. And after that, so will it's box office.
"Have you seen that new Nolan Superman movie?" they will say, "you've gotta, it's so different..."
"superman actually has a thought process and he verbalizes it"
He has never directed a movie that has hit the 100mil mark, let alone the 150mil or 200mil mark that Rim needs to hit. He doesn't have a blockbuster to his name thus those films were not mass market crowd pleasers. They were mid budget successes.Neither of the Hellboy films or Blade 2 ( both Del Toro films ) did bad in the box office, they all made a decent chunk of change and are typically highly regarded, I would call that crowd pleasing.
See, I'm thinking closer to an $80-85m domestic 3-day opening weekend...and even then I feel like that's me being optimistic.
I'm looking for at least IM1's numbers.
Outside of good word of mouth and RDJ, that film had less going in than MOS.
Top of the brand with Nolan's selling power and Snyder's crowd engaging visual, there is absolutely no way this won't atleast get IM1's numbers. Internationally it's even better.
This movie will easily top a billion