The Dark Knight Rises Marion Cotillard as Miranda Tate IV

[madcowre]

Can't tell you how happy I am to see you all loving my gif!

Obviously, the one I'm most proud of now thanks to you guys wanting it on every page

 

[kvz5]

Yeah and the shot when Bruce walks in to the party too!!

Yup!

Can't tell you how happy I am to see you all loving my gif!

Obviously, the one I'm most proud of now thanks to you guys wanting it on every page

You have Queen Marion and The Bale in one GIF. That guarantees it being my fave.

And new page...

 

[TinkerTailor]

Of course he can still be sad about it, but its not normal to having to go 8 years before moving on with his life. They were not even in a relationship. That would be alot harder for me to believe than the football scene in the trailer. Even it this could happen, what would be the point of having him still cry for Rachel?

By that standard shouldn't he have moved on from his parents murder too? It's Bruce Wayne. He doesn't grieve well.

 

[Sith Scotti]

8years is enough to move on . You can still grieve but I think we don't need a scene where Bruce is feeling guilty for kissing Selna/Talia .

 

[TinkerTailor]

8years is enough to move on . You can still grieve but I think we don't need a scene where Bruce is feeling guilty for kissing Selna/Talia .

I think he'll have moved on by the end of the film, but initially his mental state isn't going to be all sunshine and roses. The whole point of his actions thus far in BB and TDK is that he's let his pain and grief define his actions.

 

[The Joker]

I dont have anything against characters grieving for their past love ones. But since Rachel is not in the movie and Bruce is getting romantic to maybe two women, I just dont see the point of grieving about Rachel. Where would they go with that?

You seem to have a major hang up about the idea that if a character is not physically in the movie that means their impact should be ignored regardless of how important they were.

No offense but I really hope Chris Nolan doesn't think that way.

By that standard shouldn't he have moved on from his parents murder too? It's Bruce Wayne. He doesn't grieve well.

Exactly.

 

[Victarion]

Marion's face looks funny. Sort of pudgy like her cheeks are made of unbaked cookie dough.

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

TinkerTailor for the win.

I agree. One of the fundamental characteristics of Bruce is his inability to grieve in a healthy way.

Secondly, Rachel was more than just a love interest. Bruce saw her as the one and only chance of a having a somewhat normal life after all the trauma he had been through. Besides Alfred, she was the only link to the happiest time in his whole life: as a kid with his parents. More than anything, I think, Bruce wanted to return to that life, and he convinced himself that Rachel was the key to achieving that dream.

That's why Alfred doesn't give Bruce Rachel's letter after she dies in TDK, because he knew that if Bruce found out Rachel chose someone else, the last bit of sanity Bruce had at that point could go up in flames. Bruce believed Rachel gave him a way out of his life as Batman.

 

[sly]

Marion's face looks funny. Sort of pudgy like her cheeks are made of unbaked cookie dough.

They're called dimples. And she's unbelievably gorgeous.

Can't wait to see Talia in all her badassness!

 

[Baneis8feettall]

His parent's murdered when he was child, he decided to be Batman for that reason, and then his lifelong friend/love murdered.Most of the people can't even forget their problematic ex relationships..

 

[marvelrobbins]

I am moe Intrested In Talia and Catwoman than keep mentioning a made up character for films like Rachel.Talia and Catwoman are 2 great loves of Bruce.Not getting Into their relationships with Bruce because of keep harping on Rachel who was never really Involved with Bruce would be even worse than not having catwoman with a whip.
And I doudt with Marion as Miranda/Talia few would disagree with Bruce moving on with her

 

[Laderlappen]

By that standard shouldn't he have moved on from his parents murder too? It's Bruce Wayne. He doesn't grieve well.

He did not cry about his parents in TDK. Infact as far as I can remember, he did not even mention them.

Lets be clear here for a minute, just because he has moved on doesnt mean that he doesnt still have scars.

You seem to have a major hang up about the idea that if a character is not physically in the movie that means their impact should be ignored regardless of how important they were.

No offense but I really hope Chris Nolan doesn't think that way.

This discussion is extremely frustrating for me because you are not arguing why he should still be crying about Rachel's death. Ive said a number of times now I dont see the point of it, I dont see why they should go that direction. There are several of you now arguing for the movie to go that direction, why are none of you giving any reasons for it?

 

[TinkerTailor]

He did not cry about his parents in TDK. Infact as far as I can remember, he did not even mention them.

Lets be clear here for a minute, just because he has moved on doesnt mean that he doesnt still have scars.
This discussion is extremely frustrating for me because you are not arguing why he should still be crying about Rachel's death. Ive said a number of times now I dont see the point of it, I dont see why they should go that direction. There are several of you now arguing for the movie to go that direction, why are none of you giving any reasons for it?

I'm not saying we should have a scene of him crying. I'm saying that the assumption that Bruce should have moved on is inherently flawed because it's not a part of his character thus far as shown in BB and TDK. I'm arguing that Rachel will be mentioned in TDKR because of the fact that Bruce Wayne has trouble moving on from his pain. Seeing Bruce acknowledge and deal with his pain and move on will be central to his eventual 'rise'.

 

[The_Raganork]

Bruce is not over his parents death.

That's pretty clear.

 

[TinkerTailor]

And we already know that his parents are getting a mention in TDKR from the trailer. From the spy photos we may also be seeing a graveyard scene. Bruce not being able to deal with loss and emotional trauma is going to be addressed in this film.

 

[The Joker]

This discussion is extremely frustrating for me because you are not arguing why he should still be crying about Rachel's death. Ive said a number of times now I dont see the point of it, I dont see why they should go that direction. There are several of you now arguing for the movie to go that direction, why are none of you giving any reasons for it?

Because Bruce is stuck in an emotional stand still. At least according to Nolan. Having Bruce still shrouded in the pain and misery he was feeling 8 years ago, and unable to move on from that in the 8 years of being hunted and hated as Batman puts him in a position to evolve as a character in this movie. To learn to deal with that pain and over come it. I bet that's what characters Selina and Tate will do in some way.

 

[kvz5]

That graveyard scene (whatever it ends up being) is going to be the death of me. Been wanting a scene like that for as long as I can remember.

 

[Laderlappen]

I'm not saying we should have a scene of him crying. I'm saying that the assumption that Bruce should have moved on is inherently flawed because it's not a part of his character thus far as shown in BB and TDK. I'm arguing that Rachel will be mentioned in TDKR because of the fact that Bruce Wayne has trouble moving on from his pain. Seeing Bruce acknowledge and deal with his pain and move on will be central to his eventual 'rise'.

I think you might confuse what I mean by moving on. By moving on doesnt mean that those wounds have healed. Moving means that Rachel and her death does no longer stop him from getting interested in other women and wanting to start a relationship. He can go on a date and go to bed with a woman without his brain going 'I cant do this, Im not over Rachel'. For Bruce not having to move on after 8 years in that sense, is not realistic.

Because Bruce is stuck in an emotional stand still. At least according to Nolan. Having Bruce still shrouded in the pain and misery he was feeling 8 years ago, and unable to move on from that in the 8 years of being hunted and hated as Batman puts him in a position to evolve as a character in this movie. To learn to deal with that pain and over come it. I bet that's what characters Selina and Tate will do in some way.

Thanks for giving a reason. Personally Im not interested in seeing this but thats just me.

 

[kvz5]

I don't think they will dwell so much time in the grieving stage but instead the focus will be in the healing stage which I'm sure both Tatelia and Selina will be needed for. Regardless I think it will start first with the grieving Bruce Wayne.

 

[TinkerTailor]

I think you might confuse what I mean by moving on. By moving on doesnt mean that those wounds have healed. Moving means that Rachel and her death does no longer stop him from getting interested in other women and wanting to start a relationship. He can go on a date and go to bed with a woman without his brain going 'I cant do this, Im not over Rachel'. For Bruce not having to move on after 8 years in that sense, is not realistic.
Thanks for giving a reason. Personally Im not interested in seeing this but thats just me.

Oh right. Fair do's.

I agree with Joker though. Given what we know of Bruce's mental state at the beginning of the film I don't think it'll be the case that he's ready to build a relationship because the wounds will still be open, but I think that during the course of the film it's pretty obvious something is going to stir in him with regards to either Miranda or Selina (or both). However I don't think Rachel's shadow will be cast off without using it as an example of what Bruce needs to overcome in order to deal with his grief.

So I think we still disagree t:
It all comes back to Bruce Wayne not being able to deal with emotional trauma in any way shape or form. Moving on for him isn't bed hopping... it's dressing up as a bat and beating people to a pulp. It's what he did when he thought Gordon had died. He was straight back into it after Rachel died too, and this all comes from how he dealt with his parents death. Even when being honest with Ra's during his training he didn't talk about grief. He spoke of anger and guilt. He needs to address his loss.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Bruce is not over his parents death.

That's pretty clear.

But he is going on with his life .... We don't need Bruce to be mopey over a girl he kissed twice 8 years ago .... I seen many spouses get married after losing a spuse in less time . You can have scars and be functional

 

[TinkerTailor]

But he is going on with his life .... We don't need Bruce to be mopey over a girl he kissed twice 8 years ago .... I seen many spouses get married after losing a spuse in less time . You can have scars and be functional

It depends what you class as functional. He can be Batman. Although he's obviously struggling to do that too given that Bane is going to hand him his arse. Bruce isn't a normal person by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[The_Raganork]

But he is going on with his life .... We don't need Bruce to be mopey over a girl he kissed twice 8 years ago .... I seen many spouses get married after losing a spuse in less time . You can have scars and be functional

I never said he wasn't functional just that he's going to be struggling with it.

I'm pretty sure of it, this isn't a normal man. This is a man who is also Batman and has been "frozen in time"

This ought to lead you to some conclusions, it's 8 years later but he hasn't healed a day.

This is almost exactly what Nolan says.

All I said was that he wasn't over rachel. Crying and moping over her came out of other people's mouths, you jumped to conclusions

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I never said he wasn't functional just that he's going to be struggling with it.

I'm pretty sure of it, this isn't a normal man. This is a man who is also Batman and has been "frozen in time"

This ought to lead you to some conclusions, it's 8 years later but he hasn't healed a day.

This is almost exactly what Nolan says.

All I said was that he wasn't over rachel. Crying and moping over her came out of other people's mouths, you jumped to conclusions

Don't tell me we won't see such scenes...

 

[TinkerTailor]

Don't tell me we won't see such scenes...

We've gone from pics of Marion Cotillard to this in the space of one page.