BatLobster
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I think everyone knew that if Talia was going to be in this film, it would be a much different dynamic from the comics because in this version, Ra's can actually die permanently and therefore avenging him and assuming his mantle becomes a clear motivation for Talia to even enter the story.
I guess because I was pretty much expecting that, I couldn't really be "disappointed" when that's how it went. I think the theory about Nolan originally wanting to include just one femme fatale (Talia) makes a good deal of sense. So rather than one extremely gray femme fatale, we got two- one gray, but ultimately good, and another mysterious, but ultimately evil. I enjoyed this approach because I got to enjoy two great actresses filling out substantial roles in the Bat-universe. Jonah rightly claimed that it wouldn't be right to tell a complete Batman tale without including Catwoman, and similarly with them bookending the story with the LOS, you pretty much need to include the daughter of Ra's, especially when the seeds were already planted in the story for him to have a family. I also think the dual femme fatale approach, while decreasing the screen time and development of both characters, kept you on your toes for which direction the biggest betrayal was coming from (because face it- ALL his films have betrayal and deception). Playing a little game with the audience's expectations regarding movie tropes, as Nolan tends to do.
Speaking of which, I have a sneaking suspicion that Nolan used the WTF take of that death scene because he was trying to evoke an old, film noir style, theatrical sort of death. Not that I have any idea what he was thinking, but I can imagine him going for that sort of thing. It's most likely a bit of strange taste on his part, rather than some sloppy oversight like people seem to think. He had other options, and that's the one he chose for whatever reason.
I do feel bad for Marion that she got all the ridicule for it, but whatever. It's less than a second of screen time. I continue to enjoy her presence more and more in this movie each time I watch it.
I guess because I was pretty much expecting that, I couldn't really be "disappointed" when that's how it went. I think the theory about Nolan originally wanting to include just one femme fatale (Talia) makes a good deal of sense. So rather than one extremely gray femme fatale, we got two- one gray, but ultimately good, and another mysterious, but ultimately evil. I enjoyed this approach because I got to enjoy two great actresses filling out substantial roles in the Bat-universe. Jonah rightly claimed that it wouldn't be right to tell a complete Batman tale without including Catwoman, and similarly with them bookending the story with the LOS, you pretty much need to include the daughter of Ra's, especially when the seeds were already planted in the story for him to have a family. I also think the dual femme fatale approach, while decreasing the screen time and development of both characters, kept you on your toes for which direction the biggest betrayal was coming from (because face it- ALL his films have betrayal and deception). Playing a little game with the audience's expectations regarding movie tropes, as Nolan tends to do.
Speaking of which, I have a sneaking suspicion that Nolan used the WTF take of that death scene because he was trying to evoke an old, film noir style, theatrical sort of death. Not that I have any idea what he was thinking, but I can imagine him going for that sort of thing. It's most likely a bit of strange taste on his part, rather than some sloppy oversight like people seem to think. He had other options, and that's the one he chose for whatever reason.
I do feel bad for Marion that she got all the ridicule for it, but whatever. It's less than a second of screen time. I continue to enjoy her presence more and more in this movie each time I watch it.