Mass Effect 3 - The Arrival Thread!

[Upset Spideyfan]

My thoughts on the ending.

Spoiler

As they are they are fine, aside from the whole Normandy bit, the REAL issue is there should have been a Paragon Interrupt verses the Catalyst if you had united all the races and saved the Geth/Quarians arguing that this cycle had overcome its differences and cleared the hurdle of synthetic revolution in favor of peace and in turn the Catalyst agreeing to stop the Reaper invasion.

I am totally fine with Shepard dying but I think that would have really resolved a lot of issues people are having.

 

[Calavera]

i got me3 sitting here but im trying to do a perfect run of me2 before i go at it

 

[spiderbob]

[blackout]This is a race that used nuclear war to destroy their home planet (before the Genophage according to Eve). This is a race that when exposed to the rest of the galaxy used asteroids as weapons. It feels very dangerous to let them live unchecked[/blackout]

Spoiler

Do you have faith in Wrex and Eve to be able to turn centuries worth of warfare in their species towards peace? Both Wrex and Eve have affirmed such actions led to the utter ruin of their race, and have both sworn to avert such behavior in the future, so that the new generations will be a more unified and cooperative race of krogan.
Does what they might do in the future warrant wiping their race out entirely? Is there no room for change or hope? Not to mention that no race is entirely blameless in terms of atrocities. Some may see humanity as too dangerous to let live with all the terrible things we've done to ourselves over the centuries. We're just not quite as overt as dropping asteroids.

Plus, you'd have to kill Mordin and (potentially) Wrex.

 

[spiderbob]

My thoughts on the ending.

Spoiler

As they are they are fine, aside from the whole Normandy bit, the REAL issue is there should have been a Paragon Interrupt verses the Catalyst if you had united all the races and saved the Geth/Quarians arguing that this cycle had overcome its differences and cleared the hurdle of synthetic revolution in favor of peace and in turn the Catalyst agreeing to stop the Reaper invasion.

I am totally fine with Shepard dying but I think that would have really resolved a lot of issues people are having.

Spoiler

Yeah, the Normandy bit confused me. Just kind of happened out of left field. I have hope though, that someone will go pick them up. They theoretically still have communications, and the game has shown travel between solar systems isn't impossible. It just may be a while.
Plus, for all we know, they landed in the Amazon or another colonized world.

Or the planet Master Chief was drifting towards.

I would have liked to have tried to convince the Catalyst too, but he seemed pretty dead set his way of thinking. He has, after all, had God knows how many cycles of synthetics rising against organics to "prove" his view point right. He'd probably see such a peace as temporary at best.
I found myself wondering which was the lesser evil to commit, genocide of one race to ensure the future survival of all others, or the perversion of all life to ensure all life's survival.

Tough call.

 

[Matt]

Spoiler

Do you have faith in Wrex and Eve to be able to turn centuries worth of warfare in their species towards peace? Both Wrex and Eve have affirmed such actions led to the utter ruin of their race, and have both sworn to avert such behavior in the future, so that the new generations will be a more unified and cooperative race of krogan.
Does what they might do in the future warrant wiping their race out entirely? Is there no room for change or hope? Not to mention that no race is entirely blameless in terms of atrocities. Some may see humanity as too dangerous to let live with all the terrible things we've done to ourselves over the centuries. We're just not quite as overt as dropping asteroids.

Plus, you'd have to kill Mordin and (potentially) Wrex.

[blackout]
I'm not quite there yet, I haven't made up my mind. But if I do choose to sabotage the cure, I'm hoping that I can talk Mordin into it. But both Eve and Wrex have acknowledged that there are a good many Krogan who would just as well kill the two of them and seek revenge on the Turians and Salarians. It's tough to unleash a species that is almost entirely driven by war onto the galaxy. Yes, humans, Salarians, Turians and Asari each have their own skeletons....but like you said, they aren't dropping asteroids at planets.[/blackout]

Really tough choice.

 

[spiderbob]

[blackout]
I'm not quite there yet, I haven't made up my mind. But if I do choose to sabotage the cure, I'm hoping that I can talk Mordin into it. But both Eve and Wrex have acknowledged that there are a good many Krogan who would just as well kill the two of them and seek revenge on the Turians and Salarians. It's tough to unleash a species that is almost entirely driven by war onto the galaxy. Yes, humans, Salarians, Turians and Asari each have their own skeletons....but like you said, they aren't dropping asteroids at planets.[/blackout]

Really tough choice.

And that's one of the many many things I loved about this game. The tough calls.

I wish you well in whatever road you choose.

Plus, there's always multiple play throughs.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Spoiler

Yeah, the Normandy bit confused me. Just kind of happened out of left field. I have hope though, that someone will go pick them up. They theoretically still have communications, and the game has shown travel between solar systems isn't impossible. It just may be a while.

Spoiler

I don't think anybody can pick them up, ships in ME need to discharge their drive cores or they fry and they need to do in the gravitational field of a planet. Without relays they won't be able to reach planets quickly enough discharge their mass effect drives. Interstellar travel is effectively no longer possible in the immediate future.

I believe what will happen is that ME4 will be THOUSANDS of years into the future and we will start up on the colony founded by the Normandy survivors and that in that time the galactic community will have invented totally new forms of FTL travel to surmount the need for mass relays.

I also think EDI will be in ME4 as well.

 

[spiderbob]

Spoiler

I don't think anybody can pick them up, ships in ME need to discharge their drive cores or they fry and they need to do in the gravitational field of a planet. Without relays they won't be able to reach planets quickly enough discharge their mass effect drives. Interstellar travel is effectively no longer possible in the immediate future.

I believe what will happen is that ME4 will be THOUSANDS of years into the future and we will start up on the colony founded by the Normandy survivors and that in that time the galactic community will have invented totally new forms of FTL travel to surmount the need for mass relays.

Spoiler

They improvise? Use new ships to get to the planet and older ships to do the pick up. I don't know.
In any case, I'm kind of expecting the creator(s?) of the Reapers to be the new bad guys in the new games, now that his/their big plan for controlling chaos has failed.
Any threat that wasn't as big or bigger than the Reapers will just feel like small potatoes in comparison to this trilogy.

 

[Matt]

Bah!

[blackout]Wrex just basically guilt tripped the hell out of me, saying I'm his brother and a hero to the Krogan....then to make matters worse I picked the paragon interrupt and we did the Predator handshake. I can't possibly betray him now. Even if it's the best thing for the galaxy.[/blackout]

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Spoiler

They improvise? Use new ships to get to the planet and older ships to do the pick up. I don't know.
In any case, I'm kind of expecting the creator(s?) of the Reapers to be the new bad guys in the new games, now that his/their big plan for controlling chaos has failed.
Any threat that wasn't as big or bigger than the Reapers will just feel like small potatoes in comparison to this trilogy.

[BLACKOUT] I don't think the Catalyst is coming back. It admitted its solution didn't work and the Reapers and the Mass Relays were destroyed, by its own words the cycle is broken if you chose anything but the Destroy ending.

I do think that by basically resetting the entire galaxy into a whole new status quo they can introduce any kind of threat that they want the next game around.

[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Matt]

Holy ****! [blackout]A reaper is shooting lasers at me as I run through the battlefield!!!![/blackout]

There is only one way to describe this game:

 

[Master Chief]

I really can't think of a reason

[blackout]Not to sabotage the Krogan cure other than feeling like I am personally betraying Wrex.[/blackout]

Don't read this until you finish that part to the end.

Spoiler

I was on the fence about it the whole time. I decided to tell them on the trip there but got interrupted which gave me time to reconsider. Then I saw that bloodthirsty band of Krogan and that almost made me decide against curing it... but I trust that Wrex and Eve will be strong enough to lead their people and pass along their ideals to the next generation while dealing with any opposition. Under their leadership I felt the Krogan deserve a second chance after suffering for so long.

That said, having to watch Mordin die because of my orders was heartbreaking.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Hey just putting it out there - make sure if you destroyed the Collector base your Military Effectiveness Score is above 2800 so that you have access to all the endings.

 

[spiderbob]

Bah!

[blackout]Wrex just basically guilt tripped the hell out of me, saying I'm his brother and a hero to the Krogan....then to make matters worse I picked the paragon interrupt and we did the Predator handshake. I can't possibly betray him now. Even if it's the best thing for the galaxy.[/blackout]

t:

Yeah, Wrex is awesome.

[BLACKOUT] I don't think the Catalyst is coming back. It admitted its solution didn't work and the Reapers and the Mass Relays were destroyed, by its own words the cycle is broken if you chose anything but the Destroy ending.

I do think that by basically resetting the entire galaxy into a whole new status quo they can introduce any kind of threat that they want the next game around.

[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

Catalyst, no. But someone had to build it, right? And I figured they'd still be around to make sure their plans were still in place and working. Not saying it has to be them, just proposing a possibility. Next antagonist could be giant space hamsters for all I know. Like with South Park.
But Mass Effect 4 is still a long ways off, and honestly, when we get the next installment, I want to be as emotionally invested in it as I am in this trilogy, so they best take their time and wow me! Or I'll sic Wrex on them!!

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Spoiler

I figured the Catalyst was created as the dying breath of an ancient race that had been more or less annihilated by Synthetics and decided it would be their duty to ensure it never happened again. I didn't really see somebody pulling its strings so to speak.

 

[spiderbob]

Spoiler

I figured the Catalyst was created as the dying breath of an ancient race that had been more or less annihilated by Synthetics and decided it would be their duty to ensure it never happened again. I didn't really see somebody pulling its strings so to speak.

Spoiler

That makes sense, too. Eh, I'm more than content enough to wait and see. Going to have to go through multiple play throughs and experience all the different possibilities.

Kill Kei Leng a few more times.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Spoiler

Killing Leng was the most satisfying moment of the game. Great antagonist.

 

[spiderbob]

Spoiler

Killing Leng was the most satisfying moment of the game. Great antagonist.

Spoiler

Leng was an awesome bad guy, but I hated what he did to Thane. And Thessia. Frickin cheered when I gutted him.

 

[Matt]

Reaper vs. [blackout]Thresher Maw[/blackout] = t:

 

[spiderbob]

Reaper vs. [blackout]Thresher Maw[/blackout] = t:

Yeah, remind me never to invade its territory.

Ever.

 

[Matt]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blackout]MORDIN!!!!!!!!!!!! Will he walk out? He'll walk out like Grunt....right....why are we driving away? ****...the whole tower just blew up. He's not walking away.

Him singing his song....there was fear in his voice. So sad. Damn....[/blackout]

 

[spiderbob]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blackout]MORDIN!!!!!!!!!!!! Will he walk out? He'll walk out like Grunt....right....why are we driving away? ****...the whole tower just blew up. He's not walking away.

Him singing his song....there was fear in his voice. So sad. Damn....[/blackout]

Spoiler

Yeah, Mordin's end was poetic and sweet. Made me all misty eyed.

 

[Matt]

Don't read this until you finish that part to the end.

Spoiler

I was on the fence about it the whole time. I decided to tell them on the trip there but got interrupted which gave me time to reconsider. Then I saw that bloodthirsty band of Krogan and that almost made me decide against curing it... but I trust that Wrex and Eve will be strong enough to lead their people and pass along their ideals to the next generation while dealing with any opposition. Under their leadership I felt the Krogan deserve a second chance after suffering for so long.

That said, having to watch Mordin die because of my orders was heartbreaking.

Spoiler

Devastated to watch Mordin die. I can't help but wonder if I could've kept him alive if I sabotaged it or would he simply be dead by my hand?

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Spoiler

You have to kill him though I heard he can survive if Wrex and the female Krogan are dead.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Just in regards to the ending a Bioware dev tweeted this, make of it what you will:

Michael Gamble:
Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.