Mass Effect 3

[Balthus Dire]

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Do they say "Husks"? I haven't heard that.

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My mistake; I think you're right. I thought for sure they mentioned the Husks but I can't seem to find it, so I'm probably wrong.

I still don't see how synthesis is a "good" option, though.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Well I finished the game last night.

I balled my eyes out seeing it end but now I'm just in a constant state of confusion and "WTF!?" thinking about the ending.

Bioware got some balls for this ending. Did not expect it.

 

[Master Chief]

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And I don't disagree with that. But there are better ways to end this story than your character being indoctrinated. Shepard has a good death in the end, at least from my point of view. He gives his life for the galaxy. The circumstances surrounding his sacrifice should have been better but his sacrifice shouldn't be cheapened in any way. I do hope the the DLC lets you play as squadmates figuring out what to do after the Reapers. Sure, the mass relays are gone but they still have FTL ships, all the the races will be able to meet each other again and try to rebuild.

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Your character will only be indoctrinated if you didn't choose to destroy the reapers. Not only would it live up to the endings being different but it would be a much more satisfying conclusion if they handle the aftermath of every choice right.

Shepard's sacrifice has already been cheapened by not showing what he died for.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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And I don't disagree with that. But there are better ways to end this story than your character being indoctrinated. Shepard has a good death in the end, at least from my point of view. He gives his life for the galaxy. The circumstances surrounding his sacrifice should have been better but his sacrifice shouldn't be cheapened in any way. I do hope the the DLC lets you play as squadmates figuring out what to do after the Reapers. Sure, the mass relays are gone but they still have FTL ships, all the the races will be able to meet each other again and try to rebuild.

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Did you even read that thread we posted? Not saying you have to like it, but did you read it? It might just be wishful thinking, but there's a hell of a lot of evidence pointing to indoctrination that makes perfect sense. So much so, one might say, that it points to indoctrination being the logical canon.

Also, you're basing your entire judgement on the fact that your Shepard would've sacrificed himself for the galaxy. What about complete bad-ass Shepard players who don't give a crap? Where's their "true ending?" The way the ending is now doesn't take play style into account whatsoever unless you're total Paragon, and even that option has you submitting to the Reapers.

 

[taskmaster]

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Your character will only be indoctrinated if you didn't choose to destroy the reapers. Not only would it live up to the endings being different but it would be a much more satisfying conclusion if they handle the aftermath of every choice right.

Shepard's sacrifice has already been cheapened by not showing what he died for.

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But with that you're just going to get a whole new set of people pissed off at Bioware. They're not going to look at it as, "Wow, I was indoctrinated, that's so cool and interesting!" They're going to think that they're being punished for doing the right thing and sacrificing themselves to save the galaxy and allowing synthetics and organics to have the opportunity to live in harmony.

Once again, I agree that they're should have been more closure, that's not the argument I'm having with you.

 

[taskmaster]

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My mistake; I think you're right. I thought for sure they mentioned the Husks but I can't seem to find it, so I'm probably wrong.

I still don't see how synthesis is a "good" option, though.

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It puts to rest the question of synthetics being alive or not. No one is completely organics and no one is completely synthetic, they're all just alive. How is that not a good ending?

 

[Master Chief]

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But with that you're just going to get a whole new set of people pissed off at Bioware. They're not going to look at it as, "Wow, I was indoctrinated, that's so cool and interesting!" They're going to think that they're being punished for doing the right thing and sacrificing themselves to save the galaxy and allowing synthetics and organics to have the opportunity to live in harmony.

Once again, I agree that they're should have been more closure, that's not the argument I'm having with you.

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LOL anybody who's a fan of Mass Effect will appreciate it, and if they don't, they should. We're dealing with enemies that can be as devious as they are ruthless, and anyone who knows anything about ME should know about indoctrination. People who see being indoctrinated as "punishment" are a bunch of silly gooses.

edit: Actually, they're not. Becoming indoctrinated is a fitting punishment for letting a reaper convince you they should live.

 

[taskmaster]

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Did you even read that thread we posted? Not saying you have to like it, but did you read it? It might just be wishful thinking, but there's a hell of a lot of evidence pointing to indoctrination that makes perfect sense. So much so, one might say, that it points to indoctrination being the logical canon.

Also, you're basing your entire judgement on the fact that your Shepard would've sacrificed himself for the galaxy. What about complete bad-ass Shepard players who don't give a crap? Where's their "true ending?" The way the ending is now doesn't take play style into account whatsoever unless you're total Paragon, and even that option has you submitting to the Reapers.

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There's no way that it's the logical canon because as it stands now it's just a fan theory. You can believe it if it makes you feel better but it doesn't make it so.

And the true ending for renegades is destroying the reapers. Any renegade should be willing to sacrifice synthetics to destroy their enemy.

 

[Storm22]

Loving the game so far. Playing as a Vanguard. One slightly annoying thing though, the Shockwave has been powered down from Mass Effect 2.

 

[Master Chief]

Loving the game so far. Playing as a Vanguard. One slightly annoying thing though, the Shockwave has been powered down from Mass Effect 2.

I heard Infiltrators aren't as good too. Soldiers are way better this time around though.

 

[taskmaster]

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LOL anybody who's a fan of Mass Effect will appreciate it, and if they don't, they should. We're dealing with enemies that can be as devious as they are ruthless, and anyone who knows anything about ME should know about indoctrination. People who see being indoctrinated as "punishment" are a bunch of silly gooses.

edit: Actually, they're not. Becoming indoctrinated is a fitting punishment for letting a reaper convince you they should live.

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It seems as though you choose to destroy the reapers anyway. So why does it bother you that someone would choose to either control them or choose the synthesis ending? The indoctrination theory wouldn't be valid for your character. It's like you want others to choose your ending which goes against what the game is about.

 

[Master Chief]

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It seems as though you choose to destroy the reapers anyway. So why does it bother you that someone would choose to either control them or choose the synthesis ending? The indoctrination theory wouldn't be valid for your character. It's like you want others to choose your ending which goes against what the game is about.

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I chose control. If that means in my ending the reapers win it would blow my mind. I let my feelings towards EDI and the geth persuade my into controlling them because I wanted to preserve life as it is now.

 

[Reek]

Ah nice, some non-spoiler discussion lol. My main Shep has always been a soldier. can vanguards use assault rifles or is it soldier only?

I've been getting extremely irritated with the combat controls, specifically the cover/roll stuff. I accept dying in the game, but dying 90% of the time because you randomly roll, stop crouching, randomly decide not to sprint, or roll, or duck.

i wonder if using a different for roll would correct that

 

[taskmaster]

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I chose control. If that means in my ending the reapers win it would blow my mind. I let my feelings towards EDI and the geth persuade my into controlling them because I wanted to preserve life as it is now.

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That doesn't really make much sense though. Why would the Reapers need Shepard to control them? TIM couldn't have done it because he was indoctrinated. If Shepard was indoctrinated they could just kill him and continue on with their cycle.

 

[Master Chief]

Ah nice, some non-spoiler discussion lol. My main Shep has always been a soldier. can vanguards use assault rifles or is it soldier only?

I've been getting extremely irritated with the combat controls, specifically the cover/roll stuff. I accept dying in the game, but dying 90% of the time because you randomly roll, stop crouching, randomly decide not to sprint, or roll, or duck.

i wonder if using a different for roll would correct that

Any class can use any weapon this time around. Vanguards are more suited to CQC so they're better off with shotguns. But yup, soldier for life. I couldn't stand being limited to a certain number of weapons even though I only use my sniper rifle and occasionally the AR lol; I chalk it up to my OCD.

I haven't had a problem with the controls but that is a problem in the game they have on the iPod/iPhone. :/

 

[Storm22]

Vanguards can use assault rifles too yeah. First time we can. I agree about the cover controls aswell, it can be frustrating at times. I do like how the run is faster though. I miss my Phalanx laser guided pistol from ME2 aswell.

 

[Reek]

ive got my Widow antimaterial rifle... so i am happy.

gun is sick as hell with an ammo power and its new 3 shot clips

 

[zenith16]

Ah nice, some non-spoiler discussion lol. My main Shep has always been a soldier. can vanguards use assault rifles or is it soldier only?

I've been getting extremely irritated with the combat controls, specifically the cover/roll stuff. I accept dying in the game, but dying 90% of the time because you randomly roll, stop crouching, randomly decide not to sprint, or roll, or duck.

i wonder if using a different for roll would correct that

you can pick any guy you want with any class cory you just can't run with all of them as it will drain some of your ability's recharge and make slower. so you can ether lower some to or you can build your weight carrying of guys with training. it was in that gun show video from Game spot I put up over the weekend on this thread. I know you were there you were posting at the same time I put that up.

 

[Master Chief]

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That doesn't really make much sense though. Why would the Reapers need Shepard to control them? TIM couldn't have done it because he was indoctrinated. If Shepard was indoctrinated they could just kill him and continue on with their cycle.

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I went with control even though just minutes before Shepard was telling TIM that they couldn't be controlled lmao, but anyway Shepard is special. Why did they want his body? I don't know what their goal is, I'm saying it's something I can see the reapers doing. AND it offers an explanation for a lot of problems with the ending, something nobody who likes them has been able to do.

The indoctrination theory says that Shepard isn't really taking control, or synthesizing the galaxy, or destroying the reapers. He's fighting indoctrination in his head through these choices. If you give in to anything but destroy your will to fight is lost and they own Shepard.

 

[Master Chief]

ive got my Widow antimaterial rifle... so i am happy.

gun is sick as hell with an ammo power and its new 3 shot clips

Dude... wait until you get the original.

 

[Soapy]

I can't stand all these stupid fetch quests. They're really cluttering my journal.

 

[Reek]

oh s*** hahaha awesome.

i miss the spectre weapons from ME1

 

[Reek]

Soapy i hear that, i went through a lot of them last night... i was thinking each one was a side mission you actually have to do something with. but no, you scan and planet and go talk to someone on the citadel every damn time.

 

[zenith16]

Dude... wait until you get the original.

so I ake it that I'll love this sniper rifle as much as my incisor?

 

[Balthus Dire]

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There's no way that it's the logical canon because as it stands now it's just a fan theory. You can believe it if it makes you feel better but it doesn't make it so.

And the true ending for renegades is destroying the reapers. Any renegade should be willing to sacrifice synthetics to destroy their enemy.

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Not saying I believe it, bub, nor am I saying that it's concrete. Just saying it makes sense and that there's more logic to it than just simple "fan theory" you make it out to be.