Mass Effect 3

[smashmode]

I completely believe in the Indoctrination Theory. If it isn't? Then it's just bad storytelling. REALLY bad storytelling.

This is why everyone is praying for that..otherwise it just means Bioware crapped the bed.

 

[Reek]

Spoiler

cant the geth be rebuilt though?

 

[smashmode]

Spoiler

cant the geth be rebuilt though?

And be Individuals? I don't think so?

 

[CapedCrusader14]

This is why everyone is praying for that..otherwise it just means Bioware crapped the bed.

Then again, they could just latch onto the theory, claim it was their intention all along, when they actually did purposely write a horrible ending. It's a great way to cover up their crap.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Then again, they could just latch onto the theory, claim it was their intention all along, when they actually did purposely write a horrible ending. It's a great way to cover up their crap.

But then they just created an incredible set of interlocking story pieces, by accident? No, i doubt that.


If this theory is true, does that mean everyones incessant bi***ing was for nothing? This was just Biowares master scheme all along? If so, as others have mentioned, bravo, Bioware, bravo.

I personally think its a pretty cool thing if thats the case and hopefully it means more ME3 with my Shepard. That would kick all kinds of ass.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Finally finished. I'm not enraged by the endings, but they are a bit weak. The ending movie for each is essentially exactly the same, which makes the choice almost meaningless.

I am all for the indoctrination theory, btw. It makes a lot of sense and even if Bioware didn't plan it that way, they should jump on board.

The only thing that really bothered me was:

Spoiler

How the hell did any of the crew get back on the Normandy? They were all on Earth last I saw them, yet at the end they are on the ship with Joker? This makes even less sense because I took Liara with me in the final push, yet she, Joker, and EDI got off the Normandy in the final scene, wtf?

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Yea that's one of the many oddities a lot of people are saying supports the indoctrination theory.

I always just thought it was a blunder on the dev teams part, but who knows?

 

[StrainedEyes]

The indoctrination theory also gives way to three distinct (dlc) ending scenarios that would be a lot more unique and interesting to see play out.

But yeah, I'm not angry about it. The game as a whole was fantastic and I think they did a good job bringing the gang back together and having it be meaningful throughout. I'm not going to let the last two minutes corrupt the really well done 30 hours before it.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

If the ending was up to shape (unless the theory is true), it would've been a damn great conclusion.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Yea that's one of the many oddities a lot of people are saying supports the indoctrination theory.

I always just thought it was a blunder on the dev teams part, but who knows?

 

[StrainedEyes]

I just watched a video of the indoctrination theory and it all makes so much sense. I'm all in for it, even if it wasn't intended.

 

[Soapy]

I just started again as my human supremacist lady Shep. I changed from soldier to vanguard, and holy crap, vanguard is seriously like the most fun class.

I might even make my canon Shep a vanguard when I get around to him.

 

[jerkhero]

Just finished the game yesterday and was afraid to see the notoriuous ending...and honestly, i didn't think it was that bad. Sure it has parts that could be considered as plotholes and it's disappointing that the choises lead to similar endings. So not a perfect ending and i kinda understand the rage (cause that's what internet does, right? Strikes things down with great vengeance and furious anger). I don't really care that much about closure in stories. I also love to speculate and that's just what's happening now all over the internet.

Other than that, what a great game. I don't think i've ever been this invested in story, characters etc. in a video game. I actually had to replay one mission because i just couldn't live with the consequences of my actions.

 

[Soapy]

I guess a lot of you should be thanking us whiners, because we set your expectations so low that anything would seem "not so bad" compared to our hyperbole.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I guess a lot of you should be thanking us whiners, because we set your expectations so low that anything would seem "not so bad" compared to our hyperbole.

That's probably it, though my years of dealing with the disappointments that are video game endings have numbed me a little too. I could probably count the number of games with good, satisfying endings with one hand.

 

[Soapy]

Is Bad Dudes one of them?

 

[smashmode]

Then again, they could just latch onto the theory, claim it was their intention all along, when they actually did purposely write a horrible ending. It's a great way to cover up their crap.

Fans saving EA's IP lol.

 

[smashmode]

The only thing that really bothered me was:

Spoiler

How the hell did any of the crew get back on the Normandy? They were all on Earth last I saw them, yet at the end they are on the ship with Joker? This makes even less sense because I took Liara with me in the final push, yet she, Joker, and EDI got off the Normandy in the final scene, wtf?

Its Space magic!

 

[Donut]

Ah playing Mass Effect 1 again. After my first mission I was forced to talk to the Council but then I immediately disconnected. Now I just tell Joker to not bother with them. Those bastards are going down

 

[smashmode]

Leave it to a College Paper ME3 review to explain what needs to happen:

http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/inde...ect_3_mars_series_but_could_still_be_salvaged

I agree with many on the forums in saying if BioWare hadn’t intended this real-life indoctrination thing, it should go with it. Then all it needs to do to fix the problem of the ending would be to release some free downloadable content with what happens after the indoctrination and give a more satisfying conclusion. It’s as simple as that.

The Fans have given Bioware and EA a out of this whole mess. It Most likely was never Bioware's intention for the Indoctrination

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Bioware just happened to craft one of the coolest scenarios in gaming(indoctrination) by accident. That's a bad ass dev team

 

[Matt]

I don't think it was intentional. I think they cut A LOT of stuff from the ending (as the script seems to indicate). I'm not sure whether it was to have an ambiguous ending or because they ran out of time or because they realized that their eyes were bigger than their stomach or what....but I don't think it was because they planned to have Shepard indoctrinated. I think at some point that was one of the negative endings and some elements of that may have leaked over, but I don't think it was planned to make the whole ending into a metaphor for indoctrination. I think that they just kind of stumbled into that by cutting a lot of stuff and piecing together different elements.

However it happened, they should just grab the ball and run with it.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I don't think it was intentional. I think they cut A LOT of stuff from the ending (as the script seems to indicate). I'm not sure whether it was to have an ambiguous ending or because they ran out of time or because they realized that their eyes were bigger than their stomach or what....but I don't think it was because they planned to have Shepard indoctrinated. I think at some point that was one of the negative endings and some elements of that may have leaked over, but I don't think it was planned to make the whole ending into a metaphor for indoctrination. I think that they just kind of stumbled into that by cutting a lot of stuff and piecing together different elements.

However it happened, they should just grab the ball and run with it.

How did that possibly happen though? I mean all the pieces for indoctrination fit together perfectly. It just so happened that through their cutting and dropping that they set the stage for indoctrination as if they wrote it like that from the start? Like i said, thats just awesome these guys can do that by accident.

 

[Balthus Dire]

How did that possibly happen though? I mean all the pieces for indoctrination fit together perfectly. It just so happened that through their cutting and dropping that they set the stage for indoctrination as if they wrote it like that from the start? Like i said, thats just awesome these guys can do that by accident.

Weren't you saying how dumb the indoctrination theory was all this time and that fans were just grasping at straws? Or was that someone else?


Anyway, Bioware had already planned on incorporating indoctrination in the end of ME3 via an "uncontrollable" sequence but they cut it out. Like I said earlier, it's my suspicion that they removed their indoctrinated tidbit from the game (probably due to time constraints) but didn't actually remove all the tiny bits that would suggest indoctrination, likely thinking fans wouldn't put it together anyway. All the info from "Final Hours" and the way Bioware has been commenting on the situation leads me to believe they truly didn't plan for an indoctrinated ending.

That being said, they fully should go with that theory since the pieces happen to be there already. And I suspect they'll claim it was their intention all along.

 

[spiderbob]

Co-Founder of Bioware gives his two cents

Just thought you'd guys like to know.