MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 1

[FrozenBanana00]

I think She-Hulk could work as a romantic action comedy. That already is the kind of genre she normally falls into anyway. Her brand of law is more Ally McBeal than Daredevil's, who is more Law & Order or The Practice.

Ah yeah, I see your point there. That could work. Probably the only one that would though?

 

[marcvader]

Hawkeye and Mockingbird can work as a rom-com

 

[Keyser Soze]

I kinda want a Squirrel Girl movie to happen..... starring Ellen Page.

 

[FrozenBanana00]

God not Ellen Page. She's in everything lol

 

[marcvader]

Yeah, I'm done with Paige. She even looks different these days.

 

[FrozenBanana00]

Wasnt she in one of the X-Men movies?

 

[DrCosmic]

The directors on these projects DO have creative input. Yes. I know all about auteur theory and all that jazz. I had to study all this at school, but the history of cinema is also filled with directors butting heads with studios over creative differences. Ridley Scott had to release a version of Blade Runner unlike his original vision. Only later did HIS version see the light of day. I can list thousands of examples of this happening to great directors. It has been happening with cinema since the founding of cinema. People here act like directors get full say on their projects. Unless they get in their contracts that they get final cut or they produce their own work, they don't. That isn't conjecture on my part. That is fact. That is reality. It is how the studio system has always worked. Ask anyone working on a FOX picture under Tom Rothman about this.

Marvel is managing a shared universe. With that comes the need for consistency, so yes. Directors must respect the visions of other directors when making a Marvel Studios picture. But, that doesn't mean that these films aren't good representations of their work. Go back to my previous post. All those filmmakers clearly had a hand in the creative process. Heck, Gunn, Whedon, and Black all had their hands on writing the films themselves!

Allow me to clarify: directors in the past have not had to deal with creative input from studios. They have merely had to deal with creative limitations.

The difference between MCU films and Blade Runner or every other example of creative differences I've seen is that others studio are giving purely marketing/business constraints. The Blade Runner changes were to dumb it down for the audience and make a happy ending. That's not the same kind of creative input a creator like Marvel Studios would put in. They're not just controlling for tone and marketability, they're telling their own story, of which the director's story is just a part. That means story beats get added in, scenes get rewritten, characters and character types added in or barred, the kinds of things a showrunner would do for a TV show director. Not just 'make happy ending' or 'make it more like movie X' that directors have been getting from the beginning of Hollywood.

When you go look at Tom Rothman's movies, you don't get the feeling that 'oh, this is a Tom Rothman film' because he's not giving creative input, he's only providing creative restraints. When you go see an MCU film, it feels like an MCU film. It may ALSO feel like a Whedon/Gunn/Favreau film, but the fact that there is creative and themataic consistency in the MCU testifies that they are giving creative additions to the films, intentionally, each time. That's something new.

And it's not 'other directors' they're respecting, Feige is the architect, he's not just playing referee between other directors' visions.

So again my point is NOT:
- The directors don't have creative input
OR
- The directors usually get to do whatever they want and now they can't.

 

[DrCosmic]

Wasnt she in one of the X-Men movies?

X3 and Days of Future Past. That alone may make her off limits.

 

[PyroChamber]

It will be interesting if Vin Diesel does play Black Bolt. We've seen that he can play a character who says only three words of dialogue and make it work, so it would be cool to see him tackle a character who pretty much doesn't say anything at all.

 

[Loki882]

You'd essentially have to make Medusa the co-lead, since she's Black Bolt's Queen AND his "voice" so to speak.

 

[FrozenBanana00]

X3 and Days of Future Past. That alone may make her off limits.

I knew I'd seen her somewhere.

 

[ralphuniverse]

G'day,

Who would be She-Hulks's boyfriend?

ta

Ralph

Ah yeah, I see your point there. That could work. Probably the only one that would though?

 

[justanotherguy]

Hawkeye and Mockingbird can work as a rom-com

 

[DrCosmic]

G'day,

Who would be She-Hulks's boyfriend?

ta

Ralph

Rick Jones. With Starfox as his romantic rival and The Leader on trial as the villain of the piece.

 

[Nerdario]

Been thinking about this ever since that one shot on the avengers dvd, the chitari rifle wielding bank robbers. What if Marvel started making non superhero movies within their superhero universe. Like a few standalone movies involving regular people in the world of Tony stark and Steve Rogers. Almost like a full movie one shot. They wouldn't even have to be included in their phase but would still help broaden the cinematic universe they have going.
Adding in some minor thriller suspense elements of adventure to keep in line with the marvel vibe could work as well. Think of a comedy similar to fanboys where one friend is super obsessed with iron man.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Thats sort of what AoS is for. The big deal with that is getting to really sell.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Am I the only one who wants a movie about what happened in Budapest?

 

[SlamAdams]

X3 and Days of Future Past. That alone may make her off limits.

Why?

 

[SlamAdams]

I would love to see a Werewolf by Night vs Moon Knight flick

Machine Man could be a cool, nostalgic sci-fi/cyberpunk on the run movie like Firestarter or Starman where a sentient robot takes off from gov't agents trying to shut it down. Action-packed Johnny 5.

Agents of Atlas would be cool too. To help develop the years between Captain America freezing and Iron Man's origin. That's a few decades where nothing special has happened, at least explicitly. I'm hoping that's the point of a 70 year old Hank Pym, so that he was active as a young man in the 60s and 70s.

 

[Inhuman]

Been thinking about this ever since that one shot on the avengers dvd, the chitari rifle wielding bank robbers. What if Marvel started making non superhero movies within their superhero universe. Like a few standalone movies involving regular people in the world of Tony stark and Steve Rogers. Almost like a full movie one shot. They wouldn't even have to be included in their phase but would still help broaden the cinematic universe they have going.
Adding in some minor thriller suspense elements of adventure to keep in line with the marvel vibe could work as well. Think of a comedy similar to fanboys where one friend is super obsessed with iron man.

The problem with doing a film about regular people is that it wouldn't bring in nearly as much money as another Thor or Captain America would. A Nick Fury or Black Widow solo film is probably the closest we could get to having a film about 'regular' people in the MCU, since they are popular enough characters, but even that is unlikely to happen.

Guardians of the Galaxy isn't really a superhero movie anyway, so in a way, they are already doing films about "regular" people without powers - but in space.

 

[SlamAdams]

Am I the only one who wants a movie about what happened in Budapest?

I'd like Budapest to stay sort of a secret. A shorthand between Widow and Hawkeye. I hate when someone in a movie says "Remember Budapest, when the thing happened with that guy at that place." The other person was there, and they are only saying it for our benefit. The fact that they have this personal story together that not even the audience is in on is kind of cool.

 

[Nerdario]

I always wanted Werewolf by Night to get some kind of movie treatment. It would be awesome if after Dr. Strange 1 they start expanding the mystical side of the MCU and tied in Ghost Rider, Blade, WbN, & MoonKnight. A few easter egg build ups through out Dr. Strange 1 and 2 could lead into a team up tease in Strange 3. Wishful thinking.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I have to say that I had my issues with the MCU in phase 1, but phase 2 has really improved. I'm in love with the MCU.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Some good names in the Ant Man cast:

http://marvel.com/news/movies/2014/8/18/23096/production_begins_on_marvels_ant-man

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I always wanted Werewolf by Night to get some kind of movie treatment. It would be awesome if after Dr. Strange 1 they start expanding the mystical side of the MCU and tied in Ghost Rider, Blade, WbN, & MoonKnight. A few easter egg build ups through out Dr. Strange 1 and 2 could lead into a team up tease in Strange 3. Wishful thinking.

Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider, Blade, Werewolf by Night, Man-Thing and maybe a few others all teamed up in a Midnight Sons movie would be ideal for me.