MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 1

[Spider-Fan]

Civil War has potential. But, could Iron Man being the villain of Cap 3 sort of overshadow Cap himself? I think they need to find a way to make Stark involved, and yet have the movie be Cap's film. That will be a tough thing to balance. Now, it seems based on that report saying that initially, it was less days on set that the Russos get that. But, as they expand Stark's role, could that be a concern?

 

[Loki882]

Actually, I cannot see ANY of the current heroes supporting the SHRA:

-Cap would be against it because of what happening with SHIELD in TWS.
-Black Widow is the same deal.
-Falcon would follow Cap's lead.
-Tony has a massive anti-authority streak to him.
-If Hawkeye is ANYTHING like his comic book self, then he'd be against it to.
-Thor has no real personal stake in it, being from another world, but he'd support his comrades.
-War Machine would be the most likely to support it, but even he'd have doubts.
-Banner would absolutely be against it for obvious reasons.

 

[Hypestyle]

Whoo boy. The screenwriters are going to have to knock it out the park. We've already JUST HAD a "Cap goes rogue" storyline, I'm not sure what shoehorning the Civil War plot into the mix is going to add but a repeat of the same. And really.. Besides "maybe" Bruce Banner, just who all has a secret identity? Everybody is basically a public figure. Steve, Tony, the recently outed Natasha, and Thor has no alternate ID.

I don't know. I really don't know

 

[marvelrobbins]

The rumors of avengers 3 not featuring the big guns besides Stark makes sense now.

It riases questions who besides stark will be In Avengers 3.

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

- I wonder if they'll have Red Skull/ Crossbones/ Sharon Carter kill off Cap at the end like in the comics.
- Stark makes Bucky the new Captain America and features in Avengers 3 with the New Avengers
- Rogers returns in Avengers 4 for the showdown with Thanos

Also, what if the Spider-Man rumors are connected to this film
xD

 

[Iceman]

True but then again I thought A2 was going to be Thanos until Ultron was announced.

I can't actually remember what we knew and when. Maybe I was in the same boat back then. Although I think it would have felt too early for the big bad.

Civil War? Eh, that was probably one of my least favorite big crossover Marvel events. It was such mess, hopefully they do better in the movie-verse.

I think if they do it they will just use the concept of Civil War but the story on film will be completely different.

 

[an_ewok]

Actually, I cannot see ANY of the current heroes supporting the SHRA:

-Tony has a massive anti-authority streak to him.

I think Tony isn't gonna be quite the same after AoU, and understandably so.

 

[Gusto]

It makes sense really.

I don't expect Tony to stop being Iron Man as Digest suggested, but rather start co-operating/working with the Government (SHIELD or not). Ultron is an independent project. He'll get a ton of heat from it. Stark will have a very different mindset by the end of AoU and the beginning of Cap 3.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I can't actually remember what we knew and when. Maybe I was in the same boat back then. Although I think it would have felt too early for the big bad.

I think if they do it they will just use the concept of Civil War but the story on film will be completely different.

Agreed. I don't see Cap 3 ending like Civil War did. I see it being different.

This is all so weird. Civil War would almost have to dominate a whole phase. If this happens, when does Thanos finally come into play? Also, I can't see Avengers 3 without Cap and co. I think they'd have to factor in it, even if Stark and Cap have their own Avengers teams.

 

[Iceman]

Agreed. I don't see Cap 3 ending like Civil War did. I see it being different.

This is all so weird. Civil War would almost have to dominate a whole phase. If this happens, when does Thanos finally come into play? Also, I can't see Avengers 3 without Cap and co. I think they'd have to factor in it, even if Stark and Cap have their own Avengers teams.

If it's true Thanos could be the Avengers 4 baddie. And Avengers 3 the escalation of the Civil War story started during Age of Ultron and maybe touched on in Ant Man (his relation to the Ultron programme). I'd expect Thanos to build and be present in Guardians 2 maybe leaving them in a wreck with the call going out to the Avengers (during A3) who are in disarray and a non-core group led by Iron Man getting trounced by Thanos at the end of Avengers 3. Then EVERYONE returns for Avengers 4!

 

[cph9fa]

So here's the thing. Blowing up a schoolyard -- as tragic as that is -- doesn't hold a candle to creating an AI that nearly wipes out all human life on the planet. I would not be at all surprised if Age of Ultron is the MCU's "Stamford" incident that makes the world governments wake up and realize that, without SHIELD around, "superheros" have to be government-regulated.

For that matter, with the way the relationship between Talbot and Coulson is developing in Agents of SHIELD, I could see them dropping hints of some sort of future registration act by the end of this season.

 

[Dark Raven]

I can't see Civil War working on the big screen. In the comics there were decades of friendship built up between Stark and Rogers. Also, Iron Man is far more popular than Cap in the films and audiences would root for him. They won't want to suddenly see him as the villain.

Maybe the only way it could work is if it's not really about a registration act at all but they are manipulated to fight but then team up in the end. But then it almost seems like Marvel are copying Batman v Superman, which they could be.

Another thing is that Cap has all these unused villains in his rogues gallery who would be great on film and yet they would be resorting to IM as the villain.

 

[titansupes]

Agreed. I don't see Cap 3 ending like Civil War did. I see it being different.

This is all so weird. Civil War would almost have to dominate a whole phase. If this happens, when does Thanos finally come into play? Also, I can't see Avengers 3 without Cap and co. I think they'd have to factor in it, even if Stark and Cap have their own Avengers teams.

Well, maybe... AoU ends with the team splitting up. Cap 3 kicks off and handles the bulk of the CW set-up, which is felt (to varying degrees) throughout the rest of the MCU... and it all culminates in A3, with Thanos coming to Earth and the heroes having to come together and resolve their issues while facing him?

 

[blalex620]

This has been one interesting 2 weeks. The rumors that Spider-Man may be coming back to Marvel in some fashion. The announcement of Civil War in 2015 and now this Civil War in the MCU rumor. Maybe it's not a coincidence.

I see it like this. After the events of CA:TWS and A:AoU the people are going to be fed up and want transparency and the government is going to create some version of the SRA. Stark, feeling responsible for Ultron, is going to be offered to lead this initiative.

Cap 3 will probably then focus on Cap and his search for Bucky and the beginnings of Civil War.

This will then affect everything from Agents of SHIELD, to the Netflix series, to the movies of course. I'm thinking after we'll see them all come together again to fight Thanos in possibly A3 or A4 and then after we'll see hopefully two sets of Avengers teams.

 

[Dr. Evil]

MCU Civil War makes no sense before Avengers 3.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, maybe... AoU ends with the team splitting up. Cap 3 kicks off and handles the bulk of the CW set-up, which is felt (to varying degrees) throughout the rest of the MCU... and it all culminates in A3, with Thanos coming to Earth and the heroes having to come together and resolve their issues while facing him?

Too much for 1 movie.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If the Civil War occurs in Cap 3 and the two sides are still hostile, these guys may have to play peacemaker for the warring sides for Avengers 3:

 

[titansupes]

Too much for 1 movie.

Depends on the writing and how much the rest of the MCU shares the load.

 

[Iceman]

I'm looking forward to whatever part the Guardians have to play. If Guardians 2 contributes to the build up the films will start feeling like an epic comic crossover.

 

[Quasimod0]

I DEFINITELY want to see what those unannounced marvel films are now!

 

[I am Batman]

I can't see Civil War working on screen. The only reason it had potential in the comics was because there were tons of heroes with secret identities. The MCU only has a handful of heroes and most of them don't even have secret identites.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

Even if they do Civil War, Marvel isn't going to really have a serious nature to the story. They are going to have comedy aplenty, especially with RDJ in it. He'll have his one-liners and jokes. It is wasted potential.

 

[cph9fa]

I can't see Civil War working on screen. The only reason it had potential in the comics was because there were tons of heroes with secret identities. The MCU only has a handful of heroes and most of them don't even have secret identites.

Civil War wasn't really about masks or secret identities, so much as it was about responsibility, accountability, and government oversight. And there's plenty of room for that type of story in the MCU, especially after Age of Ultron.

 

[BatsDC]

I have no doubt Cap 3 will have the same tone as Cap 2. I wouldn't worry about Marvel not taking it seriously

 

[Roose Bolton]

Wonder where this puts Hulk. Thor at least can do his own thing if they chose to keep him out of this debate, but they're pretty set on the idea of Banner primarily as an Avengers supporting character. You'd think he'd be right in the thick of this.